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CA: Upside-down flag stirs anger in small California town
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 11/6/04 | AP

Posted on 11/06/2004 12:26:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN ANSELMO, Calif. (AP) - A downtown property owner protesting President Bush's re-election raised a furor in this small Northern California town when he placed an upside down American flag on his two-story building.

Ford Greene has stirred anger previously with controversial signs, including one before Tuesday's election that read "Take the thug out," an apparent reference to defeating Bush.

After the election, he replaced it with an upside down American flag, prompting more than a dozen angry telephone calls to San Anselmo Town Hall and the police department.

"It's a First Amendment right, but he feels the U.S. is in distress because of the results of the election," said Barbara Czelusta, who lives nearby. "I feel offended because the country is supposed to unite now."

Greene said he knew the flag would cause a stir.

"Anytime a strong and honest statement of any sort is made, undoubtedly there is someone who is going to be offended," he said.

He removed the flag by week's end, replacing it with a sign that read: "Well I didn't burn it. Besides flag upside down is international signal of distress."

Hadden Roth, attorney for the Marin County enclave about 15 miles north of San Francisco, said he does not believe Greene did anything illegal, particularly because the U.S. Supreme Court considers symbolic expression to be protected under the First Amendment.

Greene has generated controversy with previous messages and has sued the town over an ordinance that regulates the size of signs.

Fairfax Councilman Mike Ghiringhelli, who has had his own run-ins with Greene over his signs, was amused when asked about the flag.

"I think that Ford Greene is entitled to his freedom of speech, and his true colors are now showing," he said. "...He's a sore loser."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: anger; california; flag; sananselmo; small; stirs; town; upsidedown
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1 posted on 11/06/2004 12:26:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

considering that this happened in Marin county I'm surprised that anyone was offended.


2 posted on 11/06/2004 12:29:59 PM PST by sassbox
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To: NormsRevenge

All things like this do is create more Republican voters. Keep it up libs, keep it up.


3 posted on 11/06/2004 12:31:10 PM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This man is entitled to do and say what he wants about this country on his own land. However, he leaves himself open to ridicule and the disrepect of all who hear or see it. He really needs to sign onto the cruise that will take him to a foreign country that agrees with him. No one is making him stay.


4 posted on 11/06/2004 12:31:15 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: NormsRevenge

hm


5 posted on 11/06/2004 12:31:51 PM PST by Asphalt (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy)
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To: Asphalt
Marin IJ on the same topic
6 posted on 11/06/2004 12:33:05 PM PST by byteback
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To: NormsRevenge

This is really pitiful. Why do I see this fellow as an aging hippie?


7 posted on 11/06/2004 12:33:56 PM PST by SE Mom (Reeling from re-election rapture!)
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To: byteback

Thanks!


8 posted on 11/06/2004 12:36:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

To be fair, I feel his pain. We flew our flag upside down during the Impeachment hearings.


11 posted on 11/06/2004 12:40:42 PM PST by annyokie (Can you say MANDATE, democrats?)
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To: ZellsBells

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 11/06/2004 12:42:36 PM PST by SE Mom (Reeling from re-election rapture!)
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To: NormsRevenge


He's an attention seeking jerk.
I'm thrilled he's so distressed.
Hope he stays that way for 4 more years!


13 posted on 11/06/2004 12:42:47 PM PST by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: NormsRevenge

FALSE use of the U.S. Distress Signal should be the same as a false 911 call!


15 posted on 11/06/2004 12:48:32 PM PST by ChefKeith (Life is GREAT with CoCo..........NASCAR...everything else is just a game!(Except War & Love))
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To: NormsRevenge
I've seen a "Blue States" flag advertised for sale on the Internet. It looks just like Old Glory, except they're no red stripes.

You're going to see more and more protests like this upside down flag. I've been lurking on DU and some of the protest suggestions include:

1. Disrupt the Jan 20th inauguration.

2. Boycott Wal-Mart.

3. Disconnect your cable TV.

4. Boycott Red Lobster.

5. Cut off all ties to Republican relatives, such as not letting grandparents see their grandchildren.

6. Gay people should visit churches, feign interest in Christ over an extended period, and then announce "Surprise! I'm gay." It is unknown what this would accomplish.

7. Punch someone, anyone, in the face.

Those are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head....

16 posted on 11/06/2004 12:50:41 PM PST by dukeman
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To: NormsRevenge

Somebody could put up a sign, directly accross from his building, that says, "Ford Green sucks."


17 posted on 11/06/2004 12:52:36 PM PST by punster
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To: NormsRevenge

"A downtown property owner protesting President Bush's re-election raised a furor in this small Northern California town when he placed an upside down American flag on his two-story building."


They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and this Kerry supporter takes that truism to a new low.

Guess he must have admired Kerry's book featuring an upside-down flag on the cover!


18 posted on 11/06/2004 12:56:14 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: dukeman

LOL Boycott Red Lobster? Am I missing something? Now they think a COLOR is evil?


19 posted on 11/06/2004 1:04:16 PM PST by AggieCPA (Howdy, Ags!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope he has thanked a vet for assuring his freedom to express lame opinions.

20 posted on 11/06/2004 1:04:29 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: NormsRevenge
I remember when Clinton was elected the second time, there were some right-wing types flying their American flags upside down.

Carolyn

22 posted on 11/06/2004 1:14:50 PM PST by CDHart
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To: gypsystyleflowerchild

He can and did say what he wanted. Now, he can deal with the consequences---censure by his neighbors.


23 posted on 11/06/2004 1:17:38 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: NormsRevenge

He's no more than a loser. I don't mind if he did this. I only know that I was a winner on Tuesday & I'll guarantee you that I would NEVER call a self admitted war criminal my president.


24 posted on 11/06/2004 1:22:28 PM PST by Digger
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To: CDHart

That's different --- then the country really was in distress.


25 posted on 11/06/2004 1:22:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
LOL! Yes, it was.

Carolyn

26 posted on 11/06/2004 1:24:58 PM PST by CDHart
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To: NormsRevenge

This reminds me of my dad. Back when the federal storm troopers swarmed and took Elian Gonzales... I remember my dad Hanging the American Flag upside down in the front yard for a day. I remember he was soooo pissed. It's a good way to vent silently.


27 posted on 11/06/2004 1:25:56 PM PST by PureSolace (A Conservative bases his politics from his morals, and a Liberal bases his morals from his politics.)
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To: sassbox
Marin county I'm surprised that anyone was offended.

His building is on Sir Francis Drake Blvd, which is also Highway 101, business route. It is the main boulevard in the area.

28 posted on 11/06/2004 1:26:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: dukeman
6. Gay people should visit churches, feign interest in Christ over an extended period, and then announce "Surprise! I'm gay." It is unknown what this would accomplish.

Someone with standing should go over to DU and announce "This idea is GREAT! This will stick it to them!"

I figure getting them to go to a more conservative church, even under false pretenses, will probably have the unintended (for them) effect of getting them to begin questioning some of their hedonistic beliefs...
29 posted on 11/06/2004 1:27:30 PM PST by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: dukeman
Boycott Red Lobster

Good then I won't have to spend 45 minutes waiting for that buzzer thing to go off!

30 posted on 11/06/2004 1:30:13 PM PST by badpacifist
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To: gypsystyleflowerchild
"...how can you possibly attack someone for expressing themselves..."

I believe that if you reread my words you will find that I merely expressed the hope that Mr. Greene had thanked an armed services vet for protecting his privilege of free expression. I think it's great that American leftists are so willing to expose their poorly considered thoughts to public scrutiny.

31 posted on 11/06/2004 1:30:28 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: NormsRevenge
When Clinton was not removed from office after impeachment, a lot of Americans flew the flag upside down. The man has a right to protest.
32 posted on 11/06/2004 1:30:48 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: dukeman
I've seen a "Blue States" flag advertised for sale on the Internet. It looks just like Old Glory, except they're no red stripes.

I'd buy one of these if I saw it for sale.

33 posted on 11/06/2004 1:35:42 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: sassbox

25% of Marin County is Republican. If one of those Republicans had expressed his displeasure in this way, his building would have been vandalized and he would have had to hire a body guard. I know that county real well. Most of its Republicans keep a very low profile.


35 posted on 11/06/2004 3:20:35 PM PST by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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36 posted on 11/06/2004 3:48:07 PM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: ZellsBells

Two different counties, right next door to each other. San Anselmo is a vino/pot culture. But in its hayday... was commune central alongside Fairfax.


37 posted on 11/06/2004 3:53:42 PM PST by Alia
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To: concentric circles

lol! Average Marinite is so dumbed down in re patriotism and procedures in re the flag, most, I'll wager simply think whoever hung that flag upside down is an idiot.


38 posted on 11/06/2004 3:55:06 PM PST by Alia
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To: concentric circles
I hope he has thanked a vet for assuring his freedom to express lame opinions.

He didn't thank me. I vote we deport him.

39 posted on 11/06/2004 3:59:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: LogicalMs
lol! I used to live in San Anselmo, too! My eldest daughter was born there (greenbrae, Technically). Hadn't been back in many years. I was in San Anselmo earlier this year.. I was quite surprised by how much it has remained the same (tony, specialized stores, handcrafted items costing $$$$$); but how nasty, cold and mean I found the average street person to be, as well as the store owners. San Anselmo is kept alive by "tourism" (local) and I'm sure they are quite pleased at the attention Greene's flag howler might bring to San Anselmo businesses.

San Anselmo is for "wanna be's". Even some of the old timers, the ole Marinites are tired of what San Anselmo has become; but they don't want to move given what their properties are now worth.

While visiting SA this past winter, visited some ole pals.. lol. They opined to me their own wish a Walmart would open nearby.. LOL!

40 posted on 11/06/2004 4:01:13 PM PST by Alia
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To: FITZ

ROFLOLOLOL!!!


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41 posted on 11/06/2004 4:07:34 PM PST by viaveritasvita (God poured His love out on us! Romans 5:5-8)
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To: atomic_dog
I'd buy one of these if I saw it for sale.

Why?  Do you have something against whites?
42 posted on 11/06/2004 5:54:35 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: NormsRevenge

It's the people like him who make this country more divided than it should be. And he is the one complaining that this country is not united enough? Sheesh those people really make me sick.


43 posted on 11/06/2004 5:56:50 PM PST by katdawg
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To: NormsRevenge

All those liberals are bitter sore losers.


44 posted on 11/06/2004 5:58:03 PM PST by katdawg
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To: dukeman

"I've been lurking on DU and some of the protest suggestions include:..."

I wish their list would include protesting by moving out of this country :)


45 posted on 11/06/2004 5:59:48 PM PST by katdawg
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To: katdawg

It does, but I think it's all talk!


46 posted on 11/06/2004 6:31:43 PM PST by dukeman
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To: dukeman

Is there any way we can turn their talk into action? :)


47 posted on 11/06/2004 6:32:45 PM PST by katdawg
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To: NormsRevenge

I suggest he start walking west until he reaches China.


49 posted on 11/07/2004 7:19:37 AM PST by airborne (Death Before Dishonor)
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To: LogicalMs

Indeed! :)


50 posted on 11/07/2004 9:35:28 AM PST by Alia
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