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A liberal investigative reporter: Kerry won
Harper's magazine | 11/05/04 | Greg Palast

Posted on 11/04/2004 11:50:51 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

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To: Ol' Sparky

Do they really want to go this route and stand a chance of losing Rendell and Richardson for fraud post a thorough investigation by the Justice Department. I still believe that the Justice Dept needs to go after ACORN, ACT, NAACP, etc. for voter fraud to send a message.


41 posted on 11/05/2004 12:14:44 AM PST by stopillegalimmigration
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To: Ol' Sparky
I don't have time to reread the article but it seems the author is saying that the spoiled ballots were intentionally 'spoiled' by Republican overseers based on the precinct being predominantly Black or Hispanic.

Is this what everyone else is reading here? It was a bit confusing without a second careful read...

42 posted on 11/05/2004 12:15:30 AM PST by Danno (the Dems have poop in their pants...)
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To: CitizenUSA

The ballot I used was paper. I took a pencil and connected the dots. So simple. Reminds me of connect the dots games I played as a kid. They ought to have only paper ballots for the minorities.


43 posted on 11/05/2004 12:16:01 AM PST by itsinthebag
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To: dancusa

We couldn't come through with Mt. St. Helens. A few kinks to be worked out.


44 posted on 11/05/2004 12:18:29 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: dancusa

We couldn't come through with Mt. St. Helens. A few kinks to be worked out.


45 posted on 11/05/2004 12:18:40 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: paudio
Whoa - hold it right there. Michael Barone, Brit Hume and others have written that the exit polling data was a badly drawn sample. It was way off from the actual results that came in. Contra Palast, there was no organized conspiracy to steal OH from Kerry. The actual votes that came in came in the way they did and the exit polls were completely off the mark. Its too bad Palast can't bring himself to acknowledge the obvious: Bush won the Buckeye State's 20 electoral votes fair and square.
46 posted on 11/05/2004 12:19:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: paudio
Whoa - hold it right there. Michael Barone, Brit Hume and others have written that the exit polling data was a badly drawn sample. It was way off from the actual results that came in. Contra Palast, there was no organized conspiracy to steal OH from Kerry. The actual votes that came in came in the way they did and the exit polls were completely off the mark. Its too bad Palast can't bring himself to acknowledge the obvious: Bush won the Buckeye State's 20 electoral votes fair and square.
47 posted on 11/05/2004 12:19:26 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ol' Sparky
The percentages of spoiled ballots for punch cards may be correct.

While I was voting at a polling station with about 10 stations, a spoiled ballot was created by a voter. Arizona uses a great system where the ballots are checked while the voter is still present. While I was filling out my ballot I heard the official inform a voter that his ballot was "over-voted". He was given the option of filling out a new ballot or voting the rest of the races with that particular race ignored. He chose to accept the second option.

In the case of the old punch card systems, they usually don't check the ballot before the voter leaves. There would be no way to decide how to remedy the situation.

The assumption that spoiled ballots are the result of political purposeful partisan action is something that should be substantiated more strongly before it is suggested in a publication.

They should name names of specific people who were forced to take provisional ballots. Of course, if they did, then the Republicans would be able to point out the specific problem which resulted in the action. It's kind of hard to dispute nonspecific charges. This article is, on the face, unfair.
48 posted on 11/05/2004 12:19:34 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Ma3lst0rm
Shows how stupid some liberals are. They need to start pushing for afirmative action for mental nitwits then maybe they could compete.

They need to learn to push out a chad first.

49 posted on 11/05/2004 12:22:20 AM PST by Bronzewound
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To: GeronL

The validity of an exit poll depends a lot on where the pollster is standing. If they perform all the polling in predominantly Democrat districts, then breakdowns by gender are meaningless. Unlike pre-election polls, we typically are not given the "internals" of the poll to allow the reader to verify proper weighting.


50 posted on 11/05/2004 12:23:53 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
We couldn't come through with Mt. St. Helens. A few kinks to be worked out.

Excuse me, but that's a problem with Ashcroft's geological manipulator.

Rove's weather machine has been performing flawlessly.

51 posted on 11/05/2004 12:26:20 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: GeronL

Not only that, when I saw the exit pollers as I approached my polling place, my first reaction was "who are these people -- they look like Dems!" from 30 feet away. (Don't ask me why I had that predjudice!) So exiting they asked me to participate in the exit poll, and, I'll tell you what, when I looked down at the box the questionaires were going in & saw that this was for AP, CNN, etc., I just about blew it off. But, then, even though it was the afternoon, I thought about how I felt when I'd heard those early exit poll results and figured I'd darn well better put in my 2 cents worth. Now, how much "unconscious" (or even conscious) selection of who to ask may have been done by the exit pollers, AND, how many Repubs would be repelled by a poll done by the MSM? Huh? Huh? Huh!

Two other points: I marked "morality" as the most important issue, but I was thinking "integrity and honor", not "abortion" or anything "religious right" when I marked "morality". Also, I noticed a fascinating question: "Do you think Barack Obama would make a good President?" Sheez - does that tell you where the pollsters are coming from, or what? (And, good grief, the guy's never been more than a State Senator. Ask me again in 12 years... )


52 posted on 11/05/2004 12:27:04 AM PST by Paul R.
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To: Ol' Sparky

NUTCASES UNITE!!!

Greg Palast, reporting
A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals

53 posted on 11/05/2004 12:28:54 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Ol' Sparky
Oh, here we go again, with the 2000 election, and the chads.

I voted Michigan absentee ballot for 20 years while doing my Air Force time. It was a punch card. You take the stylus, which is about like a paper clip wire, and punch it through the number on the punch card, which was backed by a styrofoam sheet. The simple instructions told you to punch all the way through, and then to check to make sure the chad was completely detached.

There are no "dimpled", "pregnant", or "hanging" chads, unless you are illiterate and incompetent, in which case you have no idea what you are voting for anyway, so you're an idiot who will vote for whatever self-destructive crap that comes down the pike. You should be barred from voting, just as a two-year-old should be barred from handling a sharp knife. That whole recount was complete Nonsense, for the umpteenth time, and it's time for you Moveon.org types to get over it and move on. Being stupid is not something you should proclaim to the world, yet you trumpet it to the highest heavens. "I'm stupid! I'm stupid!"

54 posted on 11/05/2004 12:32:15 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: the_Watchman
It seems the author is saying that Minority precincts are targeted. He is saying that election officials, consciously trying to supress Democratic vote, arbitrarily throw out more ballots in these precincts. The amount of collusion in all of these precincts would be practically impossible to garner. Besides which, what accounts for Bush clear victories where the punch cards are not used (Bush won by 400K votes even before absentee votes were counted in Florida - the author said this was one of the disenfranchised states in 200) and this 'cheating' cannot occur. Was there a different form of cheating there?

I can appreciate a good argument and an honest one, no matter whose side it benefits but this argument has alot of holes and alot of assumptions. One of the biggest and glaring assumptions (besides the assertion that Republicans control and consciously promote racism in their oversight of all precincts in swing states) is that the Exit Polls are pure as the driven snow and not impeachable whilst the actual vote is not.

55 posted on 11/05/2004 12:34:15 AM PST by Danno (the Dems have poop in their pants...)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Is there a link to this article? I would like to challenge, using my last post, Palast's thesis. He needs to defend this to everyone not just his cheerleaders. These are serious charges and the MSM will eventually come out of hiding in a few days/weeks and start trumpeting this line of thinking...


56 posted on 11/05/2004 12:36:23 AM PST by Danno (the Dems have poop in their pants...)
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To: FlyVet

Funny, the Left says we are all ignorant right-wingers, and yet for their base they largely depend on people they say are too stupid to vote with a punch card!

G'nite, folks -- one more stop over at the SwiftVet site & then I'm hittin' the sack!


57 posted on 11/05/2004 12:37:44 AM PST by Paul R.
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To: kingattax

And this from the same party that, in last minute desperation in 2000, hired a telemarketing company in Wichita Falls, TX to call Democrat voters in select precincts in Palm Beach County and inform them they may've voted for Bush by mistake. Exit polls are as scientific as online polls.

One DU poster has just suggested that the discovery of fraud would be grounds for impeachment! Remember, Clinton was impeached for what he HIMSELF did, not what his supporters may've done. A President must himself commit the impeachable act.


58 posted on 11/05/2004 12:37:46 AM PST by eagle11 (American Left is dead.....European Left is terminally ill......)
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To: garandgal
He is really flat out stating that the minority Democrat base is too stupid to know how to use a simple voting mechanism. That is really the only conclusion to draw from his ridiculous, fantastical ravings. What a racist!

And at the same time they keep saying that they are the ones with the high IQs.

59 posted on 11/05/2004 12:37:52 AM PST by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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To: FlyVet
Gee wonder if he accounted for all the voter fraud ballots cast.Hmmmmmmmm
60 posted on 11/05/2004 12:39:18 AM PST by suzyshop (suzyshop)
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