Posted on 10/18/2004 6:07:20 AM PDT by pabianice
Today brings word that the race in FL has become a dead heat, with several commentators noting that Kerry's ad blitz is scaring seniors away from Bush. Kerry has begun a campaign of lies regarding Social Security, frightening seniors with the story that Bush has told private supporters he will begin dismantling Social Security in January, to replace it with a "private system" that will benefit his supporters' investments. The ads reportedly also claim that existing SS payments will be cut as much as 45% by next year.
Unfortunately, FL voters seem to be buying the lie. Fox reports the race in FL is now dead even, when Bush had a 4 point lead as recently as last week. The vile "outing" of Cheney's daughter seems to have had no long-term effect on Kerry. Across the country, the race is again tightening, with Bush's likely electoral votes down to 254.
So... where is the line in campaigning? And why do Republicans bring a Nerf bat to a gun fight?
They don't spell it FLORIDUHHHHHHHHHH for nothing.
The race in Florida isn't dead even. Fox is quoting the ONLY poll that shows it that way. It's called making news.
About a week ago, Michael Savage was talking about one of Kerry's grandfathers being a leader of the cartel responsible for importing opiates into China some 80+ years ago. I don't know, but we seem to have a couple of billionnaires, who favor drug use, bankrolling another billionnaire with some familial association to drug distribution. Just what is Kerrys plan?
Take a pill and lie down.
The media wants this to be a dead heat so they find a poll that calls it so. Pres Bush is going to spend some more time in Florida and will be blasting Kerry about his scaring senior citizens.
The media is despicable in their reporting in this election and I hope after the election everyone on here remembers how the media was so biased including some folks at Fox News. The only friends we have in the media are talk radio for the most part and a few newspapers. The TV media is a bad joke!
Kerry is responsible for importing opiates into the USA.....they are called PLANS!!
"And why do Republicans bring a Nerf bat to a gun fight?"
I would hardly call the Swift Boat vets a "nerf bat." What the old folks need to be made aware of is that it would take an act of Congress (several perhaps) to privatize any portion of social security. No President can do it through executive order or somehow "rush it through."
It's ironic that Kerry has a plan for everything but can't seem to explain any of them yet he can explain Bush's plans perfectly. LOL!
It was inevitable that Kerry was going to demagogue Social Security in the final two weeks. That's exactly what Gore did four years ago, Kerry was saving this for now. The question is whether the Bush campaign was savvy enough to anticipate this. We'll find out soon enough.
Fred Barnes is saying the exact same thing on Fox right now.
Is he saying what the Bush campaign is planning to do in response?
Yep, and Gore started his rants in black churches about this time as well.
Bush counter to this is to ask who the only person in the race to tax SS was? It was kerry. Kerry is just solidifying his voters...then again, if it is same as 2000, he just needs to switch 255 votes.
faithincowboys is GONE? What's the story?
Keep in mind that if Kerry runs ads that are blatant, obvious lies, then we can run counter ads that both refute what Kerry says AND nail him as a liar. So this game of lying about Social Security is a desperate high risk tactic by Kerry. He's looking more desperate every day. That comment about Cheney's daughter was an obvious attempt to suppress the Christian vote. If Kerry runs a lot of ads with lies about Social Security, we can run counter ads that will take back at least as many votes as Kerry gained with his ads.
Kerry can't explain them because it is all pure BULL$HIT, and he knows it!!
I only heard the last part of it.He did say that the Bush campaign is in states that shoud be in the Kerry column and that will put Kerry on the defensive. The rest of the interview was talking about a report that shows that Kerry has overwhelmingly received more favorable reporting suring the election cycle than Bush has.
so, aren't there any lies we can tell? can't we rig the vote with fraud, like them? and then have the media talk about other things like how unfair it is for Sinclair to broadcast bad things about Kerry?
Hopefully we do. We need Bush to get onto national TV to "appease concerns" over lies being told to sr.'s in Florida (Social Security) and to youth everywhere (draft). We need to get aggressive and deal with this head on, quickly and very aggressively.
Kerry may actually score points with younger voters who see privatization as a way of getting out of the ponzi scheme.
Absolutely. Bush has done well at countering lies about the draft, now he needs to counter these lies about Social Security (and quickly.)
Liberals demagoguing Social Security, geez, where did they come up with that original idea?
Anything to scare the older voters. They are also stirring up panic with this flu vaccine (non)issue and blaming Bush.
The Repubs have a poor record of effectively rebutting Dem lies. That's part of the problem I see. That it is almost certain Kerry received an other than honorable discharge will never, ever be revealed by the DLP. The biggest fear I have is the Goreization of this election. It is not inconceivable that Dem fraud and suits will hold-up the declaration of a winner past the January 20 deadline. This will throw the election into Congress, which willl declare Bush the winner. After that, I'd expect a mini-civil war to be launched by the Liberals. All this while we have to stay focused upon terrorism.
Unfortunately, those 'blasts' will be heard through the filter of the media bias and will end up sounding like little 'pops'. Bush has to really speak out in very clear language to reassure the elderly in Florida, and do it in a way that the media cannot soft peddle his words.
How many greedy geezers live in Fl., Oh., Pa.?
The Dems try this crap every 4 years, to scare seniors. The Bush camp should run an ad, showing replays of previous Dem candidates and refer to the tactic as Rush does, "the Dems are using their same old play book". They should use "lines" from the last debate to outline that something must be done, as funds will eventually be depleted. Kerry offers no good "PLAN".
Social security investments need a higher yield for long-term solvency, no doubt. One thing I can't figure out (maybe because I'm not an economist) is how to privatize SS without essentially holding it hostate to Wall Street. Let's say SS is privatized (at least partially) and a good part of SS money is invested in the stock market. Then, let's say, legislation is introduced in Congress that Wall Street doesn't like and the stock market drops. The message is clear; pass a law we don't like, and private SS investments take a beating. How do we get around this?
And ABC News thinks that distortion is not central to Kerry's campaign? On just two issues, the draft and social security, lies and distortion have become Kerry's campaign.
If you believe that the stock market will drop and stay down during your whole working life, put your SS investment into government bonds.
Actually the thing to do is just diversify. Don't invest it all in one basket (e.g. stocks). Anyone with a 401k or 403b knows this.
Ed Assner phone harrasment should start any minute now...
Ed Asner using his 'trusted older guy Lou Grant image' to sway seniors
Ed Asner told Seniors that GW Bush was going to 'steal' their Social Security money...
That he was going to throw them all off SS and into the street homeless and penniless
Seniors better wake up quick...GW Bush's word is as good as gold...he is the only hope that SS will stay solvent enough to care for them...
The Dems are famous for raiding SS for other liberal projects...their beloved Commie Jimmy the Peanut a prime example of raiding SS for his socialist projects...giving money to Cuban mental patients and murderers Fidel dumped on us...with Carter's approval...to this day Carter still kisses Fidels butt...
:)...Amen!
I agree with you saying they are lies. He will be all over Florida parts of this week to counter Kerry's lies.
BTW, I forgot add that I have quit watching Fox News -- that second debate did me in. It would have to be very breaking news as they are going left of center in this election. I use the Net and Talk Radio for my news now -- TV News can take a hike for their biased coverage.
"How many greedy geezers live in Fl., Oh., Pa.?"
I can speak to Florida, having lived here for 10 years now, where it seems the attitude is "As long as I get mine, to hell with everybody else". I read far too many letters to the editor complaining that spending 500 BILLION dollars on prescription drugs just wasn't enough. That somehow Bush shortchanged them. Makes me crazy. Greatest generation?? Maybe some but too many don't look past their own selfish needs to realize what is being done to future generations.
Boy will Kerry be in a box if he wins. He won't be able to touch Social Security benefits and won't be able to raise taxes to pay for it.
Wanna bet? I don't think he will be locked in by anything he says.
Too much Bush-bashing will cause that.
Here's the basic info on that:
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