Crazy Horse strip club draws ire over name

modbee ^ | 10-14-04

[LouAvul]

SIOUX FALLS, South Dakota (AP) - Descendants of the storied American Indian warrior Crazy Horse want an upscale Paris strip club to stop using his name, saying it's disrespectful to him and his offspring. The nightclub, Crazy Horse Paris, was established in 1951 and is well-known for adult entertainment similar to that featured at casinos in Las Vegas. It's located near the Champs-Elysees, the Seine River and the Pont de l'Alma bridge, where Lady Diana was killed.

Crazy Horse was an Oglala Sioux warrior known for fighting the U.S. military in the 1800s. One of his descendants and an executor of his estate, Harvey White Woman, has written club owners, asking that they change the name.

He said the request was prompted by an HBO cable television special that featured the club and its dancers wearing what looked to be feathered headdresses, a revered native symbol.

"I saw the name and I said, 'That's not right.' When you say the name Crazy Horse, you don't conjure up nightclubs. You conjure up the warrior," he said in a telephone interview from his home in Kyle on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

White Woman said he decided to write the club before taking legal action, something Crazy Horse's descendants have done in the past.

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See my #2 (and replies) ;)

[freedumb2003]

Must be a veeery rough day there!

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Crazy Horse

[Chad Fairbanks]

But isn't there a tradition that you name your kids what you first see when they are born?

No. Every American Indian tribe has slightly different naming traditions. In many, a true name is not given until after a baby is born, not until the child reaches puberty in some cases. In other tribes, babies must be given names from their parents' own family or clan. Traditional American Indian names are often spiritually divined, unique to each individual, and/or related to an accomplishment, rite of passage, dream, or life event.

[TheBigB]

P.J.sez..."Call it 'Suzi's All-Nite E-Z Drive-Thru Donut Shoppe' if you want. Are the gals still nekkid?"

PING to the REPUBLICAN PARTY REPTILE ping list! What is the Republican Party Reptile? It is a creature of the eighties. It's neoconservatism with its pants down around its ankles, the Rehnquist Supreme Court on drugs, a disco Hobbes living without shame or federally mandated safety regulations. The Republican Party Reptile supports a strong defense policy, but sees no reason to conduct it while sober. The RPR believes in minimum government interference in private affairs;unless the government brings over extra girls and some ice. In short, the RPR is the new label that our political spectrum has been crying out for;the conservative with a sense of humor and a healthy dose of depravity.

[RtWngr]

Any quote from Al Swearengen will do nicely.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Indeed. How dare they fight back? How dare they expect the U.S. Government to keep its word?

In any case, I find the bigotry these type of threads inevitably reveal very disturbing. If we were talking about black Americans, a good share of posts on FR would be pulled.

[Chad Fairbanks]

So, you admire his hatred, then? Is that what you are saying?

[Chad Fairbanks]

In any case, I find the bigotry these type of threads inevitably reveal very disturbing. If we were talking about black Americans, a good share of posts on FR would be pulled.

True. Sigh...

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

What are you waiting for? Give us one. Be a man.

[discostu]

When you say Crazy Horse to me you conjure up Neil Young's best backup band, with Nils Lofgren.

[Syncro]

I don't agree with the use of those words (it is a rule here not to use them, even with the cute ****'s or _____ which you use) but to have them reposted for shock value is pretty juvenile.

You do the same thing and thank goodness you don't spell them out either.

So if he is a "coward" for not swearing on FR, is everyone that uses _____ or ***** or whatever a coward?

People that can't express themselves with out resorting to swearing or personal attacks are not too credible.

[Phantom Lord]

When I hear someone refer to "an indian" I ask them "dot or feather"?

[orangelobster]

Seems like they're fifty years too late.

[RtWngr]

Don't you think it a bit ironic that the Sioux will pick a fight in France over the name of a bar but don't seem to have the stones to do anything about a big racist Hollywood production?

[dennisw]

Just so long as it's not Crazy Horse Casino and Hi-Stakes Bingo. Heh. Just kidding. I'm not in an argumentative mood today.

[Chemist_Geek]

In any case, I find the bigotry these type of threads inevitably reveal very disturbing.

Yes.

If we were talking about black Americans, a good share of posts on FR would be pulled.

Some bigotries are pulled by the Moderators, and some are encouraged...

[Fierce Allegiance]

How does the guy know it necessarily is referring to his forebear? Couldn't the name be describing a horse that was crazy, as his grandfathers mane did?

Besides, the place has been in operation for over 50 years.

[Syncro]

Well I am well acquainted with your information, thanks anyway.

It's not all about Indians, my question wasn't just confined to Indian Tradition.

"You" wasn't "you" in particular.

[StoneColdGOP]

Paris? Pffft...

"Crazy Horse Too" in Las Vegas is much nicer.