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LIVE THREAD: Post-Debate Cheney v. Edwards ^ | October 5, 2004

Posted on 10/05/2004 7:38:10 PM PDT by Howlin

After-debate discussion here!

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To: Raven281

Fox should have fixed it ANYWAY they knew what he ment.

981 posted on 10/05/2004 9:22:39 PM PDT by antisocialista (Illegitimus Non Carborundum.)
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To: All

wow L0L Miller ,parker and stone on Leno!

982 posted on 10/05/2004 9:22:50 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: Howlin

I noticed that too .. He thinks ... nothing is to low for Edwards

Also .. Edwards got into a lot of trouble with the gays back during the Dem Primaries over the gay marriage question and I'll bet they just as upset on how Edwards responded tonight over it

983 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Edwards blinks more than a "vacancy" sign on a cheap motel)
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To: Jorge
I can't believe Lieberman is on CNN saying Edwards benefited from the exposure. LOL

His exposure tonight will have the same effects as gamma radiation.

He's dead before 2008.

984 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:08 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Anybody but Kerry!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I did not have my 'mind made up' before the debates...unless you mean that I had my mind made up that I wanted Cheney to slaughter Edwards. You brought up Kerry's gaffes...if you go look, I called that a win for the President. I thought Kerry won on style but made numerous gaffes that would come back to seriously hurt him far more than looking smooth would help. I think this one is a draw.

Edwards stuck to his talking points and drove them home as often and as hard as he could. He didn't make any big policy gaffes. I think Cheney offered a valid defense, but did not drive home his campaigns' themes. The post you responded to highlighted several that should have been hit harder.

The global test gaffe is a prime example. You and I know what it means. But to most 'undecideds' I think Edwards successfully clouded the issue and blew smoke. And Cheney didn't drive it home. He didn't talk about it being a french veto. When edwards talked about Kerry saying no foreign veto...Cheney didn't stick him with the flip flopping inside the same sentence.

In both debates I think the administration had the chance to land multiple knockout blows...and they didn't.

985 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:13 PM PDT by blanknoone (Red + Yellow = Orange)
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To: Howlin
When Edwards was closing and said "Can you ever remember a time when this country was so divided?", I was SCREAMING at the TV, "YES!!! And it was John Kerry then, too!!!!" This is EXACTLY like it was in 1971!!!!


You Bullseyed it (again).

986 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:15 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment (Conserve Liberty)
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To: hole_n_one

I saw that too. I now believe we have a news division in need of a brain transplant. I know they're liberal, but at least Chris Matthews admitted Chenney whooped him.

987 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:36 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: conservativepoet

Dick Cheney is Batman. POW! ZANG! WOMP! ZAP!

988 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:37 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom
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To: 11th_VA

I was hoping someone would say the liberals won't cooperate. I hope Bush gets some cahunas by Friday.

989 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:50 PM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: shoedog
Except for gays, lesbians, and black women with aids, Gwen Ifill did a pretty good job of asking tough, important questions of both men, questions of import to the entire country, not just special social interest qroups.

Susan Estrich is drunk.

990 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:52 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@I Loved It When Cheney Didn't Deem Edwards Silly Spin Worthy of
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To: antisocialista

That's true. Even the transcript shows

991 posted on 10/05/2004 9:23:56 PM PDT by Raven281
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To: ProudVet77
Suggestion for a fun debate - Kerry vs Miller

Yes, that would be fun. Suggestion for a blowout: Kerry vs. Limbaugh!

992 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:08 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Thickman

I too was pleasently suprised and impressed by the fairness and compentence of the lady. Doubly so since she works for NPR.

993 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:19 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Be brainy, not zany, re-elect Bush and Cheney!!!!!!!!)
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To: Clemenza
Kudos to Gwen Ifill for a job well done.

Bears repeating, she did do a very good job.

994 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (If the Cambodia "lie" 100% discredits John O'Neill, what do 50 Cambodia lies do for Kerry?)
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To: GeorgiaYankee

This is a coup for the young conservatives

995 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:25 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: conservativepoet
but Edwards looked on his face like he'd been physically smacked.

Never thought I'd agree with Chrissy .. but he's right on that *L*

996 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:30 PM PDT by Mo1 (Edwards blinks more than a "vacancy" sign on a cheap motel)
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To: Pravious

You are correct, as of 12:23 pm EDT, Fox shows Edwards 53%, Cheney 46%. Unbelievable! The DU's are out per McAwful's e-mail. Means nothing.

997 posted on 10/05/2004 9:24:34 PM PDT by nuclady
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To: Yaelle

On CNN they're dissecting the "facts". Taking issue with Cheney's adding Iraqi losses into the equation on Iraq.

So, let's look at it this way. Say, 6 months from now, Iraqi forces are trained and doing most of the fighting. Let's say 20 Iraqis killed in one month. Coalition forces lose 3 soldiers in the same month, 2 Americans and 1 Brit. According to Edwards' formula, we would still have to say Americans made up 70% of "coalition casualties".

Their formula leaves no room for lessening the burden as Iraqi forces take over.

998 posted on 10/05/2004 9:25:10 PM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: YaYa123
Susan Estrich is drunk.

She is actually claiming Edwards had a good night...please!

999 posted on 10/05/2004 9:25:17 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: mylife

One more thing and trying to recall this without a transcript but when they were talking about sanctions did Edwards misspeak not once but twice and say they would sanction Iraq instead of Iran?

1,000 posted on 10/05/2004 9:25:23 PM PDT by shawngf
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