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Bush on substance, Kerry on style
New York Daily News ^ | 10/01/04

Posted on 10/01/2004 1:21:37 AM PDT by kattracks

Mano a mano, Sen. John Kerry abandoned the trademark windy nuances and just came out and uttered several simple declarative sentences, which came down to "I can do better." And that was pretty much all the senator was able to say in the first of his three debates with President Bush.

Kerry was not at all ineloquent in this conviction, and it is fair to say that Bush, purely on style points, was on several occasions bested by an opponent of superior debating skills. But Bush wasn't there to be flashy. Bush was there to say to the American people exactly what he has been saying all along, which came down to: "We won't achieve our objective if we send mixed signals." And how right he is.

Kerry spoke mathematically, citing hard facts in some cases - yes, it's true that handing off Tora Bora to the Afghan locals was a bad military misjudgment - and not exactly hard facts in others - no, senator, the New York subways were not shut down during the Republican National Convention - to support his contention of late that Iraq is "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time."

It remains the case, from what could be discerned from his presentation, that Kerry has only one plan to "do better," and that is to "bring people to the table." New credibility will do that job, he said. Fresh start. That is his plan, which, at bottom, is not much of a plan.

Bush, for his part, however exasperatedly defensive he let himself become, spoke from the heart. Here is a President who believes with that heart that "a free Iraq is essential to the security of this country." Here is a President who believes with that heart that "the front on this war is more than just one place." Here is a President who said from that heart: "The people out there know where I stand. The people out there know what I believe." And indeed they do.

If the President was not necessarily at his most articulate last night, it's still a fact history will agree that he made the right choice in taking out Saddam Hussein to preserve a safer world for our children and grandchildren. He has been sure of his beliefs for a long time.

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Originally published on October 1, 2004



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: firstdebate

1 posted on 10/01/2004 1:21:37 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Sincerity and authenticity win big time over being smarmy and slick.


2 posted on 10/01/2004 1:26:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kattracks
After Kerry went on about how soldiers were having to buy their own body armor and how terrible that was Bush should have responded, "then why didn't you vote for the $87 billion to buy them body armor senator?"

It would have been a knockout punch. Instead Bush responded about something else and lost the opportunity.
3 posted on 10/01/2004 2:02:13 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: goldstategop

I'm not that sure of that. Clintoon fooled most of the people with slick and we ended up with 9/11.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 2:34:17 AM PDT by gakrak
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To: kattracks
I get the feeling the New York Daily News isn't exactly enamored with Kerry. As New York's traditionally moderate newspaper of the Reagan Democrats, this is encouraging. The paper endorsed Al Gore in 2000.
5 posted on 10/01/2004 3:29:43 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
... traditionally moderate newspaper...

I always considered the NY Daily News to be Liberal, except for their editorial section lately.

6 posted on 10/01/2004 3:32:30 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
This article sums it up accurately.

Kerry had wonderful presentation and spoke with authority and had all the right camera angles to make him look the best, plus a moderator that hardly laid a glove on him but civilly hammered away on Iraq for him...but when you revisit what he actually said you come up with hogwash if not downright insanity.

We need to be multilateral in Iraq, 30 coalition partners aren't enough. We need bilateral talks with North Korea, 5 coalition partners are too many.
We need to outsource our national defense decisions; they must past an "international test" before we do a preemptive strike which can only be successful if there is no warning.
President Bush has ignored science in stem cell research and global warming, and that's why he misled us in going to war in Iraq.
Nuclear proliferation is the most dangerous problem of our times and I will solve it by giving nuclear fuel to Iran.
I can bring cumbayah to the table when I solve how to win Iraq by having a summit, and in the meantime Saudi Arabian rulers are jerks, Poland and Britain are coerced and bribed and Putin of Russia is a KGB totalitarian who no decent person should speak to.

The man is insane.

President Bush was given bad camera angles, shown reacting while Kerry was talking, which was against the rules, and had spent time that day dealing with real people who had suffered real losses in the hurricanes...and he looked exasperated by Kerry.

But everything he said made sense, and reflected a sane and steady approach to the current problems of a world gone mad long before he took the reins of power, with a vision and plan for long term solutions as well.

Did he knock Kerry out? No, but there were too many lies and pipe dreams coming from the other side to refute in 90 second rebuttals.

When people talk about the debate, what will they tell each other about the substance...

I think the glow of Kerry's glibness will fade like cotton candy, and the exasperation of Bush's sincerity and levelheadedness will be seen with greater appreciation.

And then as always, events will drive the last month. I'm sure the Dems are prepared now to show that Kitty Kelley's books are backed by affidavits and hystericalhistorical memo's.

But like the camera angles last night, and terrorist attacks, you can't always descend far enough into the pit to see what dirty tricks they will pull and what lies they will be peddling in October.

But we have an ace up our sleeves. We know how to pray.

7 posted on 10/01/2004 4:35:14 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: kattracks

Kerry thinks Treblinka is in Moscow.

He said so in the debates.

No one pointed out that fact. It's just like spelling potato wrong.


8 posted on 10/01/2004 5:18:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: kattracks

I watched c-span's split screen format and Kerry looked terrible, in fact his profile looked like the well known drawing of a haggard old woman.

now I realize that looks should not be the deciding factor, but they were in the Nixon/Kennedy TV debate.

when Kerry's eyes were wide open they looked hollow, vacant, perhaps stupid, his face had gone from bright orange to washed out ashen white and his constant nodding of his head, while Bush was speaking, was truely weird.

and while Bush left us momentarly hanging in some of his commentary, Kerry's answers were boring, confusing and non-responsive.

wonders of wonders, CBS gave the debate to Kerry based on their "metered" polling.

but like Bush said in response to one of Kerry's answers about fighting on two fronts in the war on terror, and I paraphrase - we're capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time...rto


9 posted on 10/01/2004 5:21:13 AM PDT by visitor (dems are committing hairy kerry to defend our national security with a shifty politician like JFK)
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To: goldstategop

Totally agree.


10 posted on 10/01/2004 5:22:30 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: xzins

Kerry's plan to send nuclear fuel to the mullahs in Iran was mindboggling.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 5:24:56 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I agree. If that doesn't scare the bejeebers out of the American people, then they're drunk and sleeping it off.

Here ya go, Ayatollah, here's some nuclear fuel 'cause I just know that you'll use it only for nice things....no dirty bombs from you...no way. No nuclear research from you.

That, Global tests, Treblinka, changing on stage from bilateral to trilateral...amazing.

And they say he won on "style."

Guess it must be stylish to say stupid sh_t!


12 posted on 10/01/2004 5:35:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: kattracks

I don't know. The President was on message. But it was clumsily done. He wasn't listening to Kerry, a lot of the time. Kerry had the substance, in some ways. But what he substantively promised was frightening! Bush also had substance, based on his actual performance in office. I wish Bush would have appropriately replied in many cases. Kerry would have been a wreck by the end of the debate - Lehrer, too, of course (which would have been just as good).

In other words, it wasn't the Lehrer softballs that Kerry wasn't hitting out of the infield. It was the fat pitches Kerry was throwing Bush that Bush couldn't hit into the cove.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 5:59:39 AM PDT by sevry
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To: sevry

I totally agree with you. SO many times there were great responses to Kerry that Bush just didn't have.

I REALLY hope that people could see through the style and listen to the substance.


14 posted on 10/01/2004 6:01:37 AM PDT by lawgirl (I like knowing where my President is every night- at home in bed with his wife!)
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To: xzins
If that doesn't scare the bejeebers out of the American people,

Yeah - Kerry HAD substance, as it were. But what he said was INSANE! And I think that's what's going to be his story until the next debate.

15 posted on 10/01/2004 6:09:01 AM PDT by sevry
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To: kattracks
Mano a mano, Sen. John Kerry abandoned the trademark windy nuances and just came out and uttered several simple declarative sentences, which came down to "I can do better."

...and don't forget "I have a plan."

...of course, don't forget that he failed to describe the plan and he failed to explain how he would do better!

16 posted on 10/01/2004 6:13:20 AM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: patriciaruth


I concur with your analysis. I might add that Bush should have pointed out that the CIC does not have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight when leading. Hindsight seems to be the basis for all of Kerrys positions. Before he acquired his hindsight, his statements agreed with Bushs actions.</p>


17 posted on 10/01/2004 6:19:47 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: DB

When Kerry said that pulling us out of the global warming treaty has hurt us in the world, I wanted Bush to say" If I remember correctly Senator, the vote was 95-0 against ratifying the treaty. Were you one of the 95 against or one of the 5 that didn't bother to show up that day?"

So many chances lost. But again, W was not supposed to get into a "punch up". State your case and stay on message. Ity will be Chenney's job to bloddy Kerry. And rest assured, he will!


18 posted on 10/01/2004 6:32:20 AM PDT by Holicheese (I think John Kerry has finally gone totally insane!)
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To: kattracks
The Daily News is moderate --- for New York City. It's not as loony left as the New York Times and nowhere near as conservative as the New York Post. Of the three major New York dailies, it's in the middle.

Of course, since New York City is more liberal than the rest of the country, the Daily News is more liberal than what many would consider to be a "moderate" paper.
19 posted on 10/01/2004 6:42:40 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: kattracks

Bush has heart, Kerry's insides are hollow, except for those lies inside.


20 posted on 10/01/2004 6:48:05 AM PDT by katdawg
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