Putin: Ally or Terrorist? (Russian FSB/KGB Real Culprits Behind "Chechen Terrorism")

The New American ^ | February 2002 | William Jasper

[Askel5]

=== They are hardline and controlling, but they are making excellent choices, imo

You probably have a rude awakening to come though, honestly, I too find breathtaking the decisiveness and elegance with which they keep to leninist objectives and deploy leninist strategies.

[Askel5]

=== as a look at his economic policies and support of Christianity (including a return to prayer in public schools and work toward eliminating abortion) easily reveals.



By your logic, neither Lenin or Stalin were 100% communist.

[Askel5]

The push to reduce abortion in Russia (just like the state-sanctioned and ballyhooed return to Christianity courtesy of corporate sponsors and Alexei's careful maintaining of strictures against public practice of any but the Orthodox faith), is simply a survival tactic no different than Stalin's invocation of God for the duration of the war.

I noticed the anti-abortion placards on the Metro in Moscow. (Very effective imagery, actually.) But I also noticed, in long talks with a woman of St. Petersburg, that the slew of state-sanctioned privileges accorded women in an effort to encourage them to reproduce has not made the slightest dent in the 6:1 ratio of abortions to births in the former Soviet Union.

Appearances can be deceiving, MarMema. Particularly when dealing with those whose speciality is deception strategy. I do understand where you're coming from but I cannot caution you strongly enough to take what you see with a large dose of Pilgrim salt.

[Calpernia]

Askel5........*************

[MarMema]

with which they keep to leninist objectives and deploy leninist strategies.

I appreciate your respectful tone, btw. But this is simply labeling with no support. So put out the proof or don't label. There are plenty of labels available for, let's say, the John Birch Society, for one example. However I am not posting in that manner, am I?

[GIJoel]

To: MarMema
=== as a look at his economic policies and support of Christianity (including a return to prayer in public schools and work toward eliminating abortion) easily reveals.



By your logic, neither Lenin or Stalin were 100% communist.

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Excellent point aske15. I will be posting on the very point you make tonight when I get off work. It's nice to read someone who understands "The Final Phase." Don't let some of these numbskulls get you down. It's ok to be like an Isaiah crying out in the desert! Once Russia decides to drop all pretenses of democratism and decisively launch what Golitsyn calls THE FINAL PHASE, there will no longer be any need to warn others about what is coming. The question is, can we shake enough people out of their slumber before it's too late? Given some of the responses from those who ostensibly call themselve conservatives, I'm beginning to wonder. In the end, it is all in God's hands, but that does not negate our duty to warn our fellow citizens of Soviet strategic deception (and its consequences!).

[Legion04]

That's ridiculous. Putin has every right to do take the offense on terrorists, and as an ally, we should back him.

[GIJoel]

To ALL:

For more info. on how the Russians (read: Soviets) use terrorism to further their unrelenting drive towards world government, check out "Terrorists in Muslim Disguise" and "We Are The Next Target" threads below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220747/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220737/posts

[MarMema]

But since I had the thought, it might not be a bad idea to just share, after all.

John Birch Society on President Bush

"Using the pretext of responding to terrorist threats, President Bush proposed changes that, in reality, have long been planned to consolidate police-state powers at the federal level."

And plenty more paranoia where this came from. It is not only Putin that is responding to terrorism with an attempt to takeover, but Bush as well.

That should settle this issue for most freepers.

There is no place here on FR for this kind of distorted and irrational thinking.

[mississippi red-neck]

Gog-Magog aligns with the enemy of Israel, Ezekiel is coming to pass.

I am quite aware of the prophecy in Ezk. 38 & 39. Spent a lot of time in the last 50 years or so in study and prayer about these events.

I think finally in the last couple of years I have a pretty good understanding of what is going to take place. Yes it is the next major prophetic event on God"s calender.

Is the stage being set. I think the answer is yes. Is it a separate event from and does it precede the Great Tribulation, also known as the time of Jacob's Trouble. Yes I believe it does, maybe by a period of time by as much as 20 years.

However my "so what" was refering to Joe's Russia is supporting the Arabs and the PLO with arms and money so they must be the Real power that controls these terrorists.

I was just saying that lots of nations are helping these people even the ones that are being attacked by them. The nations of Russia, France, Germany ,the EU and the US have all tried to use these countries as chess pieces against one another.

They prop these demented leaders up and try to use them as political and economic surrogate armies against each other. They make the same mistake that I think people like Joe make in that they think they can control these people. They don't understand that these people have and have had one goal only since the seventh century and that is complete world domination.

Nobody but nobody,is in control of Islam. If the nations of the world will forget old rivalries and open their eyes they will see that the allies they are funding are advancing taking land and killing the people that are suppling them with weapons and money.

Joe is right about one thing and that is the Islamic terrorists are the same in where ever you find them just different fractions of the same army.

They have the same goals, the same teacher, the same playbook and the same tactics. Just different names.

[GIJoel]

Like I said, I'm not a Bircher, so I count vouch for every single thing they put out. But when it comes to Putin: Ally or Terrorist, I have thoroghly researched the Golitsyn angle, and can therefore vouch for what Golitsyn has to say on the subject.

[jb6]

That is funny, I watched all that coverage and no where once did I see a single tank. Some light APCs with machine guns but that was it, or was it the phantom tanks? I would seriously believe of the international media circus that was already there, at least one report would come out of this about tanks. But then you would not be able to appologize for the terrorists, would you?

In the case of the theater in Moscow, 177 out of the 178 hostages killed died from the gas used by the FSB.

You know for a fact that it was 129 deaths from 800+ hostages. You've even admitted to it and seen the articles before. So here you are blatently lieing in order to feed this poster's Russophobic paranoia, all the while excusing terrorists again. If nothing else, you are consistent. You even came on to a thread about Christian survivors, a child no less, to shift the blame away from Islam. Incredible. And you claim to stand with Bush? The man who stated flat out: this was done by evil terrorists and there is no excusing it. Yet you excuse it at every opportunity.

[GIJoel]

I'm not Russo-phobic, I'm Soviet-phobic. I would rejoice if the Soviets were FINALLY defeated and Russia could once again assume its rightful place among free nations.

[jb6]

Maybe you missed it but they've had free elections, with US and international monitors for 14 years now.

[GIJoel]

Is that why "former" Communists always win? Is that why the KGB/Secret police butchers have never been held to account for their crimes (genocide) against Russia, the Republics, and all humanity?

[jb6]

Look, Luis. If you want to believe the Russians intentionally killed all those kids, you just go right ahead and believe it. It's nutty as hell, but you're entitled to be nutty once in a while

No it is not silly or nutty, it is a program of intentional Islamic propaganda. I've read plenty of it, it is all the same, just substitute the islamic "victem group" and their "oppressors". This is the exact same kinds of fantasies that are written about the US in Arab press, about Israel, Serbia, Makedonia, Greek Cypriots, Serbska Republic, Indians, Phillopinos, S. Sudanese, Ethiopians, etc. It is intentional apologetics for exterminations of non Muslims. Just read what is writen about every Islamic riot in Nigeria that leaves hundreds killed.

[jb6]

Here is a news flash, just like we discovered in Iraq, everyone who had any kind of office above lower management was a communist party member, that was the law. Ever wonder why the real communists keep dieing of old age, over there, not here, here they keep getting younger with more and more college age air heads. Is flat tax communist? Property rights? Trial by jury? Capitalism? Limited rights to bare arms? Multiple political parties?

[sinkspur]

There's a disturbing trend here to try to sanctify the Chechens, of late. Putin has had a heavy hand, in some cases, but it's no heavier than Sharon and the way he handles the PA.

[Indie]

The timing [bashing Russians] is extremely suspicious in light of the islamonazi terror attack in Russia.

Are the islamic apologists coming out of the woodwork to take the focus off the New nazis where it belongs??


And this isn't the only post on FR of late trying to take the focus off Islam.

I've been getting skads of FReepemail about islamic apologists who have become abundant on FR of late. It is a growing problem with the potential to boil over like the last mass exodus did. Some apologists have even started flame wars critical of anyone who dares say anything about islamics.
THIS POST is somewhat MORE SUBTLE...merely as misdirection to remind us that "Russia had it coming to them."

I disagree with such propaganda, especially now.


I suggest we keep the focus on the problem, not the victims before more leave FR for more hospitable pastures in an effort to escape the islamic apologists who claim only to be "moderate republicans." [I doubt it]

[GIJoel]

Excerpt from Inside Story: World Report, 1995 (well after the Soviet Union supposedly "collapsed")

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...To fool outsiders, the KGB has learned to disguise many of its activities through the "Russian mafia." Former KGB officer Golitsyn has revealed that the KGB's Economic Department and the Interior Ministry's OBKhS have penetrated-and even partly created-the black market underworld during the past 70 years.24 Taxation, for example, can now be portrayed as common crime. Timofeyev reports that "according to some reports, anywhere from 20 to 50 percent of produce is regularly stolen from district warehouses. Farmer's markets are under the control of criminal elements, who extract a commission from each seller and force sellers to keep their prices above a certain level."25

Even arms shipments to other Communist regimes are now disguised as business ventures under "mafia" control, giving Yeltsin his excuse for not being able to stop such activities. In 1990, for example, the Soviet business ANT was discovered to have been set up by dozens of KGB officers and Communist Party members, and was shipping tanks out of the country under the guise of selling tractors.26

In short, the Soviet Communist state remains intact, and is quietly accelerating its war against the West. As a part of these activities, the Soviet military is rapidly expanding and preparing for a hot war-a topic to be covered in future issues of World Report...