2,500-year-old charter of rights to revisit Iran [Cyrus the Great]

Smccdi/News.Indep.Co.uk ^ | 9/11/04 | Louise Jury

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The victory made Cyrus the leader of the first world empire, stretching from Egypt to China.

That's not quite correct -- in 500 B.C. the Chinese were separated into a number of states, none of which extended west of the Gobi desert. Even Cyrus' Empire was pretty tenuous beyond Tajikistan -- the central Asian nomads were a law unto themselves

[Cronos]

Until I am alive, I prevent unpaid, forced labor. To day, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion. People are free to live in all regions and take up a job provided that they never violate other's rights

Irani/Aryan thoughts -- noble indeed. To contrast these with the Ayatollah's Iran is to see the effects of the moon god cult on a vibrant civilisation.

[Cronos]

Well, there wasn't any Chian then and truly speaking, the western parts of what we now call China are really Uighur/turkic people's territory or Tibetan lands.

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The Persians were a noble, honorable people while every Greek was whoring for Persian gold.

I wouldn't go so far, I would say that both groups had their own good points -- the Irani attack on the Greek states was more to prevent piracy (the Persian Empire wasn't very big on sea trade) than on conquering a (to them) useless piece of hilly terrain.

though...... I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Alexander wasn't the greatest conqueror -- he was just a canny and lucky guy -- a man who overthrew a weak Shah and took over his Empire. The Persian Empire he faced was weak at the core and he just replaced the Shah with himself. After that he utilised Persian governing techniques -- these were not really refined by the Greeks, the Romans did the refining. The only time Alexander faced an equal enemy was facing King Porus on the Indus vally -- a minor king of a petty state by the standards of the Indian Empires of the day (further east there was the Magadhan Empire which had an enormous army)

[Cronos]

To have been strangled as it was by Islam seems to me one of the great tragedies of the middle east. It turned what was once one of the vibrant civilizations of the world into just another muslim backwater.

it's like what happened to the other Aryan region conquered by the slamics -- India. The portionof India that was forcibly converted is Pakistan and now they like to pretend they are ARabs. Forced Arabization is going on in the Sudan even now

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The only time Alexander faced an equal enemy was facing King Porus on the Indus vally

Not true...

He faced the Persian warrior named Aryo Barzan in west of Iran and the Persian war lord inflicted a lot of damages to the Alexandre troops.

[Cronos]

He faced the Persian warrior named Aryo Barzan in west of Iran and the Persian war lord inflicted a lot of damages to the Alexandre troops.

hmmmm.... I did NOT know that. Thank you for pointing that out, I'll read up on that soon. Thanks!

[Cronos]

Soem other interesting historical tidbits!

642 AD

The Arab invasion. The Sassanid emperor Yazdgerd III was defeated by the Arabs at the Battle of Nahravan. Bisotoon, the capital of the Sassanian was destroyed. The palace and library hosting more the 20,000 old books and scripts were set on fire.

~800 AD

Uprising of the Shi'ite movement in Khorasan (Northeastern Iran) by Abu Moslem Khosasany who fought the Arabs and established the first independent Persian state in Khorasan.

867 AD

The birth of the Saffarid dynasty by Yaqub Saffar who was the first leader to unite Persians under the Shi'ite flag.

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867 AD The birth of the Saffarid dynasty by Yaqub Saffar who was the first leader to unite Persians under the Shi'ite flag.

Sorry for my poor knowledge of History but you are not right again. Safavid Dynasty founded by Sheikh Safi Ardabili in NW of Iran. Shah Ismail united Iran under the Shiiaism.

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Please let me know whatever you find about him.

[Cronos]

Apologies are not necessary, on the contrary, please do keep correcting my mistakes -- a man should never be wrong in his facts