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Ted "Helmet" Koppel Hitpiece on the AWB on now (Pacific time)
abc.com ^ | September 8, 2004 | Ted Koppel

Posted on 09/08/2004 11:45:17 PM PDT by risk

Gun Makers Already Market Assault Weapons Gun Manufacturers, Facing Federal Ban, Already Marketing Assault Weapons, Study Finds

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Sept. 7, 2004 — With the federal ban on assault weapons set to expire next Monday, gun manufacturers are marketing military-style firearms and are ready to sell them as soon as Sept. 14, a consumer group said Tuesday.

"The gun industry is champing at the bit for the ban to expire," said Susan Peschin, firearms project director at the Consumer Federation of America, a nonprofit association of 300 consumer groups that released the study.

The consumer group interviewed gun industry experts and marketing representatives and surveyed manufacturers' catalogs and Web sites.

For example, ArmaLite Inc., a gun manufacturer in Geneseo, Ill., is advertising a "Post-PostBan Rifle Program," offering consumers attachments to convert their firearms to their pre-ban configuration, with shipping available Sept. 14. The company is offering a nonrefundable prepayment option to those who wish to get a jump-start.

"The program offers customers a way to avoid the risk of delay, yet also have the benefits of a change in law," the company says on its Web site.

The 1994 law, signed by President Clinton, banned 19 types of assault weapons but included a "sunset" clause that said it would automatically expire in 10 years if Congress did not renew it.

President Bush has said he supports the ban, but a number of attempts to extend it in Congress have failed.

The Consumer Federation of America predicted that manufacturers will introduce new models of popular weapons banned under the 1994 law, such as AK-47s, TEC-9s and Uzis.

Manufacturers will also be able to circumvent a ban on the import of "non-sporting" assault weapons by combining foreign-made components with U.S.-made parts, the study said.

It said it also expects more U.S. gun companies will stockpile imported firearms in "custom bonded warehouses" in the United States to be disassembled and reconfigured into legal weapons.

In April, Florida-based Century International Arms Inc., an importer-exporter, was linked to a cache of 7,500 AK-47s and other assault weapons seized in Italy en route to the United States.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said the weapons were cleared for the United States because they were bound for a custom-bonded warehouse to be reconfigured.

Gun-control advocates are calling for an extension of the ban and also want to expand background checks on gun purchasers to include sales by private collectors at gun shows and flea markets. Opponents say both measures are unneeded.

"What we ought to be concerned about is firearms in the hands of criminals, not in the hands of law-abiding citizens," said Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association.

On the Net:

Consumer Federation of America:

ArmaLite Inc.

National Rifle Association


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Those evil, black rifles that only the "gun industry" wants to defend...
1 posted on 09/08/2004 11:45:18 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk

see if you can spot all the lies and distortions by police chief bratton...


2 posted on 09/08/2004 11:47:44 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: neverdem; Squantos; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Grampa Dave; nopardons; BushMeister; ...

Not a single word about the second amendment yet, why we'd have a second amendment, or why we would have to re-ammend the constitution in order to ban military-grade rifles (in the eyes of the founding fathers).

It's not about hunting...


3 posted on 09/08/2004 11:48:02 PM PDT by risk
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To: flashbunny

Did Reagan support the ban? Did Ford and George HW Bush?


4 posted on 09/08/2004 11:51:07 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk

Ford signed a letter for it, and so did bush the first. (Bush also signed the 89 import ban, which is one of the reasons he was a one termer).

IIRC reagan signed, but it was as a favor to brady, and very soon before it was revealed he was suffering from alzheimer's.


5 posted on 09/08/2004 11:55:20 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny

Bratton is a lying POS. I used to like Koppel, but not for quite a while. He's so slanted now. It was so obvious tonight.


6 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Profitting from treason...


7 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:01 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
I'm looking now, but I recall a study that shows that the ban on assault weapons had no impact. It did ZERO to reduce the number of violent crimes or the number of law enforcement killed. There goes their major argument.

I say let people have whatever kind of gun they want. It should also be noted that the Constitution doesn't contain the words "hunter" or "hunting".
8 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:29 AM PDT by Jaysun (The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action)
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To: risk

Actually, in ND, if you want to take a semi-automatic AK variant and go deer hunting with a full 40 round magazine, you can (legally, no less). (I don't know why anyone would need to or want to carry all that extra ammo, but the option is open to the individual.) :^)


9 posted on 09/09/2004 12:07:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Time to dust off the '03A4--anyone know where I can get a turret cap for the m84 scope?)
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To: Jaysun
But Koppel and his ilk think history is over. Tyrants are all in bottles, and we're eternally safe from evil.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 12:07:50 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
"...other analyses using a variety of national and local data sources found no clear ban effects on certain types of murders that were thought to be more closely associated with the rapid-fire features of assault weapons and other semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines. The ban did not produce declines in the average number of victims per incident of gun murder or gun murder victims with multiple wounds." (National Institute of Justice)

http://www.mikecaswell.com/173405.pdf
11 posted on 09/09/2004 12:54:25 AM PDT by Jaysun (The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action)
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To: risk

The good news about hit pieces like the above is that it means they got off-message. Too tough to bash Bush for much on this issue.

They can rant about the AWB, but it's dead, too!

And right now we're running out the clock both on DNC smears against Bush as well as against the AWB, so the more that they flail about off-message, the better for us.

3 Full Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

12 posted on 09/09/2004 12:57:12 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: risk

A hit piece on the Average White Band?


13 posted on 09/09/2004 1:29:31 AM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie ("If abortion is not wrong, nothing is wrong" -- Mother Teresa)
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To: neverdem
He's so slanted now.

..Its' the rug (wig), he's wearing...too much pressure. :/

14 posted on 09/09/2004 3:17:58 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
A hit piece on the Average White Band?...yeah. :)
15 posted on 09/09/2004 3:20:30 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: risk

BAN ASSAULT PEOPLE

Not the weapons honest citizens need to defend their loved ones against them

When the next big hurricane comes through....the whole USA will better understand why
citizens need weapons to defend their own lives..the lifes of their loved ones and the lives and property of their neighbors...

In Grenada the hurricane brought out looters....and the Cuban prisoners that necessitated our invasion are now also loosed on the un armed populace...

BAN ASSAULT PEOPLE


16 posted on 09/09/2004 3:53:26 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Two Heads Are Better Than One...Unless They're On The Same Person -Andy Sipowicz)
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To: risk

"In April, Florida-based Century International Arms Inc., an importer-exporter, was linked to a cache of 7,500 AK-47s and other assault weapons seized in Italy en route to the United States."

I have one of their Romanian AK's. It's a nice gun!


17 posted on 09/09/2004 6:08:33 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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To: risk
Surely he brought up the reason we can't have nukes'n such ? Presstitutes always bring up why we can't have nukes in our gun safes during debate on the AWB....SAW !

It isn't a "reel" AWB...SAW nooooze debate unless nukes are brought up by the socialist idiots parroting their talking point diatribe they have been fed by their handlers. No mention of personal nukes makes this a fake angst by the talking head and should be ignored.........:o)

Monitoring CSPAN's coverage of the seditious lemmings leadership in congress right now . All shit'n shineola show thus far.... Smoke and mirrors thang in progress while their little trolls are hammering out a "total ban" on SAW's......

Stay safe !

18 posted on 09/09/2004 6:46:14 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
The freedom-hating leftmedia is pulling out all the stops to get some last-ditch re-enactment of the AWB passed at 5 minutes to midnight on Sept. 13. Bank on it. They've done it before.

You all have called your congresscritters (good or bad) about this by now, right?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

19 posted on 09/09/2004 7:30:33 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower
Right !

Stay safe !

20 posted on 09/09/2004 7:36:11 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: risk

It's dead, without a shot being fired...

21 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:14 AM PDT by kt56
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To: risk
It said it also expects more U.S. gun companies will stockpile imported firearms in "custom bonded warehouses" in the United States to be disassembled and reconfigured into legal weapons.

How DARE they make LEGAL WEAPONS!?

22 posted on 09/09/2004 7:54:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Actually, in ND, if you want to take a semi-automatic AK variant and go deer hunting with a full 40 round magazine, you can (legally, no less). (I don't know why anyone would need to or want to carry all that extra ammo...

Dogpacks.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 8:31:48 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Joe Brower
The freedom-hating leftmedia is pulling out all the stops to get some last-ditch re-enactment of the AWB passed at 5 minutes to midnight on Sept. 13. Bank on it. They've done it before.

Not quite. What they're really working at is to get a patchwork of differing state laws, usually more restrictive than the previous federal infringement, into place in those areas where they enjoy political dominance.

24 posted on 09/09/2004 8:33:47 AM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
archy! How the hell are ya! I heard you got hurt. Glad to see you back!

About the state-laws bit, the gungrabbers have been working on that approach for a couple of years now. We've been playing it for about fifteen, and they are getting beaten more often than they win, as I see it.

But the battle is never over, and we have to always keep that in mind. It is a battle in which we must not yeild; in which we can never surrender.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

25 posted on 09/09/2004 8:37:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: archy

Haven't seen dogpacks here, just the occasional coyote, and they don't dare be so bold.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 8:51:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Would you mind if I light this BEFORE you start coughing?)
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To: risk
Ted "Helmet" Koppel Hitpiece on the AWB on now (Pacific time)

Ted "I built my career on Islamic fundamentalism aided and abetted by the moron Carter" Koppel.
27 posted on 09/09/2004 9:12:46 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: risk

Gun control, like socialism, works - for those in charge.


28 posted on 09/09/2004 9:41:41 AM PDT by Noumenon (The Left's dedication to the destruction of a free society makes them unfit to live in that society.)
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To: archy

Welcome back brother!


29 posted on 09/09/2004 12:18:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: risk

Since 1987, almost half of the states have opened up to install a CCW permit system for handguns. Now the AWB will expire. Some good people are doing some good work out there. Keep it up!


30 posted on 09/09/2004 1:02:13 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Joe Brower
You all have called your congresscritters (good or bad) about this by now, right?
If legislation can be passed with a simple voice vote of those present, which has been done before, what good does calling them do? (strictly rhetorical)
31 posted on 09/09/2004 2:58:50 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee
I'm familiar with the argument. Nooks, bio weapons, chemical weapons and mines, and so forth, are indiscriminate weapons. Their usefulness in warfare varies, but they are distinguished from firearms in that they are both impossible to aim at a specific (one individual) target, or they may destroy life and property at a future time without the ability of the user to control the circumstances. As such, they are not protected by the second amendment.

Why are Squantos and I discussing such extreme terms?

Because the argument exists that if semi-auto rifles were permitted by the second amendment (or any other weapon for that matter), so should nuclear weapons. Therefore, the second amendment, in this position, doesn't apply.

This is a false premise. Weapons with accuracy and specificity in terms of time are "discriminate" arms, which can be well-controlled. I would argue that full-auto small arms are included in this category. A vet I knew once used to say that tanks were protected, as well. I still don't know if he were joking, but I think he was serious. He was raised to mistrust the government but had full and complete faith in the Constitution. That is as it should be.

The second amendment is a doomsday clause for resetting the Constitution itself. If the AWB renewal fails, we can gain a small measure of confidence that "doomsday" for the republic has been pushed off indefinitely. If it is renewed, we can surmise that doomsday is perhaps not right around the corner, but may in fact be possible within our lifetimes. It's interesting to note that CW1 began surrounding rumors that Northern armies were rampaging in the Appalachian mountains disarming militias. The secessionist movement lost then, and would probably lose in the future, as well.

We're talking about deterrence, then, aren't we?

The founding fathers would have said that doomsday had been reached at the moment the state had more concentrated firepower than the American people. They didn't anticipate indiscriminate weapons like nuclear arms. Although we can't assume that a depraved state wouldn't use nuclear weapons against its own citizens in a CW scenario, we can bet that they'll be afraid to try.

More realistic doomsday scenarios involve the military and how it would react with orders to use helicopters, tanks, and heavy bombers wielding conventional bombs on patriots resisting disarmament. Having been sworn to uphold the second amendment, I think I know what their reaction would be.

The second amendment is still protecting our freedom today, of that we should have no doubts at all. The element of deterrence holds. Look for every effort to avoid this issue in the pressitute discussions of the AWB. No one wants to discuss the elephant in the living room. No one wants to mention that the Democratic party fears an armed populace that might just resort to violence to defend its rights. In other words, the founding fathers were rolling in their graves in 1934, 1968, and 1984.

They're whispering in the ears of our legislative body today... "What will you do for freedom? Or is it something else you want, Senator?"
32 posted on 09/09/2004 3:04:57 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk

You're right, gun grabbers love to haul out their straw man argument of tanks, howitzers, bazookas, flame throwers, satchel charges, whenever we defenders of the constitution reference the type of modern day INDIVIDUAL military small arm protected by Amendment #2.

Gun grabbers are increasingly trying to separate the right to keep and bear arms from its constitutional underpinnings. To everyone but liberals and gun grabbers the word militia implies a body organized for military use. The Supreme Court Miller decision of 1939 held that the militia was 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

To begin with, only the national government was represented at the trial. With nobody arguing to the contrary, the court followed standard court procedure and assumed that the law was constitutional until proven otherwise. If both sides were present, the outcome may have been much different.

However, since only one party showed up, the case will stand in the court records as is. As to the militia, Mr. Justice McReynolds related the beliefs of the Founding Fathers when commenting historically about the Second Amendment. He stated that, ". . .The common view was that adequate defense of country and laws could be secured through the militia- civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.

"The significance attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.

It is clear that the firearms that are most suited for modern-day militia use are those semi automatic military pattern weapons that the yellow press calls "assault weapons". Since nations such as the Swiss trust their citizenry with true selective fire assault rifles, it seems to me that this country ought to be at least able to trust its law-abiding citizenry with the semi automatic version.

Self-defense is a vital corollary benefit of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But its primary constitutional reason for being is for service in the well-regulated militia which is necessary to the security of a free state. WE must be prepared to maintain that security against even our own forces that are responding to the orders of a tyrannical government, and the only viable way to counter a standing army's qualitative advantage is with a huge quantitative one. Don't let the gun grabbers and their politician allies separate us from the constitutional reason for the right to keep and bear arms. Miltary pattern weapons are precisly the weapons that should be MOST constitutionally protected. Even defenders of the right often neglect the constitutional aspect of it, and concentrate on their near non-existent use in crime.

Now let's address the gun grabber straw man. We need to make those type of CREW SERVED weapons available at some level to the well regulated (meaning well trained, organized and disciplined) militia that is formed as a military unit to meet whatever threat that it is appropriate for them to use such weapons as a unit. These weapons would be maintained and stored by such units as a body.


33 posted on 09/09/2004 6:14:40 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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Since nations such as the Swiss trust their citizenry with true selective fire assault rifles, it seems to me that this country ought to be at least able to trust its law-abiding citizenry with the semi automatic version.

Well put. It's good that you mention the Swiss, as well. According to Dave Kopel in an article at nro.com called On Guns and Switzerland,

American Founding Fathers such as John Adams and Patrick Henry greatly admired the Swiss militia, which helped inspire the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — the preference for a "well regulated militia" as "necessary for the security of a free state," and the guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Late in the 19th century, the American military sent observers to Switzerland in hopes of emulating the Swiss shooting culture.

The NRO's Dave Kopel goes on to say that in 1998 a ban was enacted in Switzerland on full-auto weapons for people not in the militia; so adult males who qualify can evidently still obtain them through the traditional household armament process. I lament this acceptance of regulation in Switzerland, and I predict a greater erosion of firearms rights there in the future. We know that regulations are usually intended to be incrementalist modifications toward complete disarmament. One would hope that the Swiss would remember their history and stand strong.

Will we regain ours? I hope so.

Dave Kopel has some statistics that show Switzerland to relatively safe considering its still widely available select-fire weapons. We know Switzerland is legendary for its peace and quiet. That is except for the crack crack crack of Swiss enjoying their Creator-given right to keep, bear, and use arms nation-wide.

Today, I see a chance for America to return to its Swiss-inspired self-armed roots, the nature of which defended Switzerland in medieval times from outside invaders, as well as in the second world war during the 20th century. Haven't our arms protected us, as well?

34 posted on 09/09/2004 8:17:25 PM PDT by risk
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