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Speech: Shaken President Putin: "We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten."
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| Sep 4, 8:21 PM (ET)
| By MIKE ECKEL
Posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:11 AM PDT by N. Beaujon
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A dramatic speech,a powerful article, hopefully marking a dramatic turn of events. Is it possible that this is a "tipping point"? Will the world (Europe) finally wake up? ARE THEY EVEN ANY MORAL STIRRINGS OUT THERE FROM OUR GREAT ALLIES? Has Kerry even mentioned this once or is he still out there whining about health care and scaring the seniors in nursing homes or drumming up class warfare in the rust belt over jobs? Haven't heard him mention a word.
To: N. Beaujon
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:20:10 AM PDT
by
Jet Jaguar
(Who would the terrorists vote for?)
To: N. Beaujon
"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," Wow ... there's no way Kerry can mention this ... it makes the case against a pacifist like Kerry.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:20:46 AM PDT
by
Gerasimov
(www.totels.com/Bush04 <-- Montgomery County Ohio for Bush!)
To: N. Beaujon
"He promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption." That worries me for the Russian people. Putin could use this as a way of going back to the old ways.
On the other hand I wish him luck on taking out terrorists. Perhaps he could squeeze Iran. Not sure what else he can do, the Russian Army has already proven they can't win in Chechnya.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:22:47 AM PDT
by
ProudVet77
(It ain't over till the TRex throws out TF'n)
To: N. Beaujon
Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here." I never would have guessed that's a French name.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:23:37 AM PDT
by
Hank Rearden
(Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
To: N. Beaujon
President Putin: Welcome to the real world
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:23:39 AM PDT
by
Cincinna
(GREETINGS from the home of the REPUBLICAN CONVENTION)
To: N. Beaujon; DoughtyOne
Measures would be taken, Putin promised, to overhaul the law enforcement organs, which he acknowledged had been infected by corruption, and tighten borders.
This border stuff sounds all-too-familiar somehow.
Lord God, Please help Vladmir keep it together and find the right way for his people. Help him see his way clear to form new alliances and protect the future generations. Help the Russian people in their hours and days of grief, and bring them renewed hope.
Lord help us to see our future, if we don't stay the course to protect ourselves and the world from the terrible scourge of this murderous and deadly false religion. Help us get the bad guys, before they kill the innocent, not just here, but wherever they lurk and scheme to take innocent lives.
Protect the borders. keep the killers out.
To: Robert_Paulson2
Diversity run amuk, and open borders...
No problem...
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:26:34 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
To: ProudVet77
The Russian Army has been resistant to changing from a Cold War configuration to confronting the new threats of the 21st Century. It needs to shed its manpower and become a professional, mobile all-volunteer force. Perhaps the horror of Beslan will begin to bring about the necessary changes.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:28:36 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: goldstategop
Your point is well taken, they have a very entrenched bunch of generals. But I also doubt they can afford to pay for a modern Army. And Putin seems to like to play with submarines from the cold war era. Maybe this will change his mind.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:32:32 AM PDT
by
ProudVet77
(It ain't over till the TRex throws out TF'n)
To: N. Beaujon
Marat Avsarayev, a 44-year-old taxi driver in Vladikavkaz, questioned why Putin and other politicians didn't "even think about fulfilling the (militants') demands to save the lives of the children. Probably because it wasn't their children here."Wonder how many dozens of people this guy had to interview before he got the quote he wanted.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:33:17 AM PDT
by
Dont Mention the War
(we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
To: N. Beaujon
Vlad must become the Impaler.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:33:52 AM PDT
by
dasboot
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To: N. Beaujon
financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, an ArabWhat a surprise. Wonder what his "religion" is?
We pussyfoot around "sacred" shrines, while those inside plot ways to murder children in schools.
To: N. Beaujon
"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten," The thing I noticed in the various pictures of Putin visiting the survivors in the hospital is that he didn't show any emotion at all. Maybe he was trying to project strength or maybe he only cares about the victims in as far as it will affect his own political position. I wonder how this plays in Russia.
To: ProudVet77
Russia is still hankering for the lost days when it was a superpower under the Soviet Union. They have to rethink their military strategy and come to terms with the fact they no longer are the equal of the United States in terms of sheer military power. Today Russia has worse enemies and America is the least on the minds of the men who rule in The Kremlin now.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:37:25 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: ProudVet77
Maybe this will change his mind.
yup.
Russia's most precious possessions, their pride and joy were murdered right before the world this week. It is sickening that monsters like that are breathing in this world. Jeffrey Dhamer's on steriods, and wearing the masks of Islamic Chechnyans. Scum of the planet islamists.
Nothing like a few hundred children dead and a thousand or so wounded to wake a nation up. Russia will be consulting with the Israelis on these border incursion problems we have heard... early next week. A wall won't do what needs to be done to these nations that sponsor terrorism of the islamic variety.
Anywhere you have muslims, you have problems of this nature.
And with very few exceptions, wherever you have these sort of problems, the muzzies are right there, exacerbating it for the greater glory of allah. My how they love to lick up the blood of little children, unarmed women and the elderly.
The world is getting it's wakeup call, one nation at a time.
Look at Spain's reaction. We will look at Russia's this next few weeks. And look at ours. We are not doing enough to stop these goons, and it is going to have to become the TOP priortity in every nation's fiscal budget for the forseeable future.
Russia needs a "new national defense" focus. You couldn't be more correct than that. How fast can they be up to speed?
The Chechens have basically kissed their own asses goodbye. And when they are dealt with, the world will turn a silent ear to their "woe is us, poor islamics" whine. They will reap exactly what has been sown.
The jig is up.
all those little kids.
God help.
To: N. Beaujon
On Sunday, Putin should declare Chechnya a free and independent country and on Monday declare war and utterly destroy it.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:49:48 AM PDT
by
RonnG
To: N. Beaujon
Methinks Putin has rejected Kerry's advice about running a more sensitive War on Terror. I'm looking forward to Russia's insensitive response to this outrage against civilization.
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posted on
09/05/2004 1:50:01 AM PDT
by
AZLiberty
(Proud to be an infidel.)
To: Gerasimov
You are so right. If that man gets elected we all need to put bomb shelters in our yards and never come out.
To: wideminded
The thing I noticed in the various pictures of Putin visiting the survivors in the hospital is that he didn't show any emotion at all. Maybe he was trying to project strength or maybe he only cares about the victims in as far as it will affect his own political position. I wonder how this plays in Russia.
I noticed it, too. I notice that in all pictures of Putin. He has no soul. I happen to think Putin is your classic KGB sociopath, hence my comments earlier to the effect that he betrayed us on the war on terror (or something to that effect). Someone argued that it wasnt a betrayal but that he just didnt want to get involved in Iraq, (or something like that,) I forget the exact give and take but my point was that Bush left that meeting with Putin believing he had an ally ("I looked into his soul...") I'm sure you recall that comment. It turned out, imo, that Putin had no soul, that Russia was as complicit in placating Saddam as the French and the Germans and his reasons for not joining up were the same: corruption, cowardice, lack of humanity.
Saddam was a terrorist threat in his own right, and what he and his sons were doing to his people were well known to all world leaders and any real student of foreign policy. We all knew of Uday's torture chambers and his other son's butchery. CNN certainly knew (talk about sociopathy. Liberal media moral relativism and opportunism at its unbelievable worst.) Putin knew what was going on in this part of the world but he was taking money from Saddam for oil. He was a part of the corruption. Yet he looked Bush right in the eye as if he were an ally.
I have no idea what motivates Putin other than this was an affront to his manhood. That's what I think drives Putin, pure self absorbtion. Because I do not think he cares about his people, I dont think he cares about much except himself. What is in it for himself now, I cant say. To keep his job? I doubt at this point he needs the cash. What do you think motivated this speech? Remnants of the old, "No one steps on the KGB"?
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posted on
09/05/2004 2:07:31 AM PDT
by
N. Beaujon
(sera@ix.netcom.com)
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