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School siege prompts horror, self-criticism in Arab world
The Times of India ^ | SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 04, 2004 09:26:10 PM | AP

Posted on 09/04/2004 5:25:40 PM PDT by MCH

CAIRO: Images of dead, wounded and traumatized Russian children being carried from the scene of a rebel school siege have horrified the Arab world, prompting forthright self-criticism and fresh concern about an international backlash against Islam and its followers.

Arab leaders, Muslim clerics and ordinary parents across the Middle East denounced the school siege as unjustifiable. Some warned such actions damage Islam's image more than all its enemies could hope. Even some supporters of Islamic militancy condemned it, though at least one insisted Muslims were not behind it.

``Holy warriors'' from the Middle East have long supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed in the siege.

Middle East security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was too early to know the nationalities of the Arabs among the dead militants. However, a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,'' Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden.

``Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,'' he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless ``we admit the scandalous facts,'' rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

``The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.''

Arab TV stations repeatedly aired footage of terrified young survivors being carried from the school siege scene, while pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Saturday's Arab newspapers.

Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist and columnist for Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper Al-Ahram wrote that the images ``showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families.''

``If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age,'' Bahgat wrote.

Other Islamists were more cautious in their criticism.

Mohammed Mahdi Akef, leader of Egypt's largest Islamic group, the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, said the siege did not fit the Islamic concept of ``jihad,'' or holy war, but took care not to characterize it as terrorism.

``What happened ... is not jihad because our Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings,'' Akef said. ``Real jihad should target occupiers of our lands only like the Palestinian and Iraqi resistance.''

Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultraconservative Salafi stream of Islam, condemned the school attack as ``un-Islamic,'' but insisted Muslims weren't behind it.

``I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya,'' said Abdullah, reviving an old conspiracy theory altered to fit any situation.

Some contributors to Islamic Web sites known for their extremist content praised the separatists and predicted the Islamic fighters across Egypt would avenge the killings of Muslims elsewhere.

Heads of state from around the region condemned the attack. It struck a chord with parents, including Jordan's King Abdullah II, who denounced it on state-run television.

``As a father, I can tell you that all the fathers and mothers in Jordan pray humbly to God to stand by their counterparts in Russia in their grief,'' said Abdullah, whose wife is expecting their fourth child.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apologists; arab; chechnya; islam; islamicist; muslim; russia; suckingfavages; terrorism
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1 posted on 09/04/2004 5:25:41 PM PDT by MCH
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To: MCH
CAIRO: Images of dead, wounded and traumatized Russian children being carried from the scene of a rebel school siege have horrified the Arab world, prompting forthright self-criticism and fresh concern about an international backlash against Islam and its followers.

I almost stopped reading at the "horrified the arab world" part, but then I continued on to see that as usual, they are only concerned with their image, and not what was done in the name of Allah..

2 posted on 09/04/2004 5:29:22 PM PDT by cardinal4 (John Kerry- "A Hamster Tale..")
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To: MCH

Nothing but noise from empty cans. Words ain't nothing in the Islamic arena. I'm waiting for action. Talk's cheap.


3 posted on 09/04/2004 5:30:23 PM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: MCH
``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

This guy is no doupt a racist! Call the ACLU, NAACP, NOW, BBC.
4 posted on 09/04/2004 5:30:54 PM PDT by stockpirate ("Kerry, backed by, supported by, lead by, funded by, admired by, COMMUNISTS!" It's about VVAW)
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To: MCH
``Real jihad should target occupiers of our lands only like the Palestinian and Iraqi resistance.''

But your holy jihadists are getting the holy sh!t kicked out of them there, so they've moved on to softer targets.

5 posted on 09/04/2004 5:31:46 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: MCH
Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden.

Islamofascists are (nearly) the ONLY perpetrators of terrorism ... and let's not forget Israel, Spain, Thailand, Nepal, Nigeria, Bali, Phillipines, USA to name just a few others.

Is there a place on Earth to which Islamofascists have migrated that is not a target of attack and otherwise subject to religiously violent and imperialistic genocide?

6 posted on 09/04/2004 5:34:24 PM PDT by dodger
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To: blackdog

Truth.
This Is a religious war.
They (muslims) regard you as less than human, therefore lying to you, murdering or raping you is not a sin against allah.
Will we open our eyes to it soon enough? |^(


7 posted on 09/04/2004 5:34:58 PM PDT by pipecorp (If they pull the great electronic plug, where will all the ones and zeros go?)
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To: Snake65

Yes, indeedy. Something like Chris Matthews got away with his BS and bluster with Michelle Malkin, but faced with a REAL MAN, Zell kicked his A$$!


8 posted on 09/04/2004 5:34:58 PM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: stockpirate
``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,'' Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

This guy is no doupt a racist! Call the ACLU, NAACP, NOW, BBC.

No need. Any Arab dumb enough to publish a column like this in the Arab world, is probably not going to be around too much longer. Some mullah somewhere will soon brand him an "enemy of Islam," and he'll be exterminated in short order by some Islamofascist goon.

9 posted on 09/04/2004 5:35:23 PM PDT by MCH
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To: MCH
Middle East security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was too early to know the nationalities of the Arabs among the dead militants.

A word of advise to the Middle East security officials:

The rest of the civilized world doesn't care about the nationalities of the Arabs. It is enough simply to know that it was the work of Muslims. End of discussion. End of any consideration. End of mercy as far as I am concerned.

10 posted on 09/04/2004 5:36:14 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Kerry: Like Gruber from McHale's Navy TV - Always after a Purple Heart)
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To: MCH

Perhaps this a small crack in the
Muslim wall of silence. It's about time.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 5:38:08 PM PDT by seenenuf (Progressives are a threat to my children!)
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To: MCH
<<>> They consider this clown a scholar, Good Christ. The Israelis did it, This surprises me a bit I am surprised he didnt say Bush did it. These folks are starting to get scared now that the rest of the world will start laying the blame for terror squarely where it belongs , On the Islamics.
12 posted on 09/04/2004 5:38:26 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: MCH

Did they denounce it in English and French, or did they denounce it in Arabic?


13 posted on 09/04/2004 5:38:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: MCH

If there is a silver lining in this Russian mess, it's the certainty that more Jihadists are going to die.

I think that's fabulous.


14 posted on 09/04/2004 5:38:41 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: MCH
I think we are starting to see a shift in this war. Where before the Arabs never said or wrote anything. Now I think because of the success the US has had and this outrage in Russia they have to speak out, or perish. It is no longer a point where they can hope in their hearts that we will be defeated. Now they are seeing the truth of what these madmen want.

Because the sad truth is that at least 58 of the children were Christian's and they were there with their parents. No word on what the others were, but I didn't see anyone that looked to be Muslim.
15 posted on 09/04/2004 5:41:02 PM PDT by stockpirate ("Kerry, backed by, supported by, lead by, funded by, admired by, COMMUNISTS!" It's about VVAW)
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To: MCH
Middle East security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was too early to know the nationalities of the Arabs among the dead militants. However, a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,'' Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

Going to see if I can find that article.

16 posted on 09/04/2004 5:41:06 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Senator Goldwater

BUMP that!


17 posted on 09/04/2004 5:41:16 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: MCH; All

Just logged on tonight. I have a question. Has any American Government official or anybody for that matter, asked if our schools are being secured or are secure enough?

I know there is a hurricane...but...that is not going to kill 150+ kids.

Just wondering.

Jedi.


18 posted on 09/04/2004 5:41:32 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: MCH; Alouette; Salem; SJackson
``I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya,'' said Abdullah, reviving an old conspiracy theory altered to fit any situation.

Laugh or cry?

19 posted on 09/04/2004 5:42:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Bush took less time to find Saddam that Hillary did to find the Rose Law Firm billing records!)
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To: cardinal4
Exactly, they are afraid this act is so violent that the world will retaliate. Which is exactly what they should do.

Where are the Islamic clerics and the prayer vigils for the dead? The outpouring of grief for the children? The financial assistance to rebuild the torn community?

NO, we won't see that, only worries about themselves and their own situation.
20 posted on 09/04/2004 5:43:34 PM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Laugh or cry?

Depends on one's mood.

I rolled my eyes.

22 posted on 09/04/2004 5:44:19 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: stockpirate
``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

Even more painful, all Islamic terrorists are girlie men.

23 posted on 09/04/2004 5:44:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: MCH
to say that ANY ARAB is horrified by any killing of a non-arab is completely stupid. They have watched with glee over the last few years the senseless beheading of innocents with indifference...killing of children to them is considered easy they don't put up much of a struggle....
Until the TRUE muslims get off their asses and follow the correct teachings of the koran and rid (kill) impostors....
we will have to and MUST hunt them down like the dogs they are and kill them, not arrest, kill them

Doogle
24 posted on 09/04/2004 5:45:15 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF..408th MMS...Ubon, Thailand "69" ..."Wolfpack".night line delivery "Doogle")
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To: JediForce

Were our schools safe during the sniper attacks?

Who is safe if we don't win this war against terror?

I have no desire to live like Russia or Israel.

RE-Elect Bush/Cheney and live free.


25 posted on 09/04/2004 5:45:54 PM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: tioga

I am just shocked that the subject of school security has not even been mentioned in passing. At all....not that I have heard anyway.


26 posted on 09/04/2004 5:49:09 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: JediForce

What I worry about are the "American" schools abroad. They're scattered all over Europe; the kids of American business, military, and govt types go to them. We could see a similar bloodbath (but I don't think they'd let a bunch of Islamofacists work unsupervised).


27 posted on 09/04/2004 5:51:47 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: pipecorp

They kill each other for sport. Who or what else does that?


28 posted on 09/04/2004 5:51:49 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You wrote:

"``I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya,'' said Abdullah, reviving an old conspiracy theory altered to fit any situation.
Laugh or cry?"

Napalm or Smart Bomb?


29 posted on 09/04/2004 5:52:29 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Shades of Arafat.


30 posted on 09/04/2004 5:53:04 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: MCH
At least they are admitting these are Islamic terrorists.

More than we can say for the American press that describes them a "rebels".....

31 posted on 09/04/2004 5:53:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Senator Goldwater

Causing "fresh concern about an international backlash against Islam" --one can only hope.


32 posted on 09/04/2004 5:54:24 PM PDT by bboop
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To: MCH

Yeah, right. They're horrified.

It'll take a lot more than a few shocked Egyptians to convince the billion+ Arab world that enough is enough. The real movers and shakers are the prolly less than 100 moslem zealots in Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Paki and Indo who could call the whole thing off if they wanted to. But they won't, and it now looks like they'll be hearing from the Russians...who are not so compassionate as we are. Heh.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 5:56:05 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: bboop

An international backlash against Islam seems to be in order, despite it being a religion of peace.


34 posted on 09/04/2004 5:56:53 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Doogle

Ishmael, it was said in Genesis, would be a wild ass of a man. It has played out many, many times. Ishmael only understands one thing - a righteous ass-kicking.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 5:56:54 PM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: Snake65

I had not even considered that. Good point...but again..I have heard nothing from anyone in "charge" about this subject.


36 posted on 09/04/2004 5:57:06 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: MCH

"I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims...."

Ummm, it's not the Israelis who tarnish the image of Muslims....it's the Muslims who tarnish the image of Muslims.

"...and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechyna."

Keep talking idiot. If I were you, I'd sleep with one eye open. Folks are going to look for revenge and no government is going to have the power to stop them from doing it.


37 posted on 09/04/2004 6:00:03 PM PDT by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: troublesome creek

so be it


Doogle


38 posted on 09/04/2004 6:00:18 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF..408th MMS...Ubon, Thailand "69" ..."Wolfpack".night line delivery "Doogle")
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To: cardinal4
Screw Allah, I crap on him and his turd "prophet" Mohamed.
39 posted on 09/04/2004 6:04:12 PM PDT by nomad
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To: MCH
I wonder after so many years of nuclear deterrent's during the cold war. It might do some good to list out the first Muslim cities that are going to get greased if something happens to the US like 9/11. Tehran, Damascus, Khartoum, Mecca, and Medina. Russia should do the same.
40 posted on 09/04/2004 6:07:12 PM PDT by biggiant1 (Eye for an Eye)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,'' Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!''

Going to see if I can find that article.

Any luck?

41 posted on 09/04/2004 6:07:13 PM PDT by MCH
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To: MCH
Bump. At least a few 'get it.'

LBT

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42 posted on 09/04/2004 6:09:25 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: MCH

"...such actions damage Islam's image more than all its enemies could hope."

They must live on another planet. Their "image" is already in the toilet. One more act like this and people will not care what happens to Muslims.

In one week:

2 planes brought down by suicide bombers in Russia.
2 busses blown up by suicide bombers in Israel.
12 workers from Nepal murdered in Iraq.
A suicide attack on the Moscow subway.
The murder of 300 plus people (120 plus kids) in Russia.
17 dead in Iraq from a suicide bomber.

What makes them think their "image" is tarnished.?


43 posted on 09/04/2004 6:10:55 PM PDT by dinok
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To: MCH
This is from the website of .telegraph.co.uk. I think there is a problem in England:

Cleric supports targeting children

By Rajeev Syal

(Filed: 05/09/2004)

An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause. Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

"As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."

Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

44 posted on 09/04/2004 6:12:33 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: engrpat

Does Britian have laws about making violent threats or inciting riots? Either one would fit. This cleric needs to be quaranteened.


45 posted on 09/04/2004 6:18:19 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: kcar

He has planned a 9-11 celebration in London.


46 posted on 09/04/2004 6:20:54 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: MCH

Wherever on the planet there are Muslims, there is violence, and/ or confrontation. Everywhere on the planet, except--so far--in the US.

Can our American Muslims be far behind? The only voice I hear from them or read about them is CAIR's whining about discrimination. I have not seen our local jihadists try much yet. They are currently using our politics (voting rights) against us. Soon, they may expand.


47 posted on 09/04/2004 6:20:55 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: MCH
``If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age cold, calculating, evil-inspired inhuman butchery'' Bahgat wrote.

Look at the picture of Mohammed Atta and tell me you see a soul behind those eyes.

48 posted on 09/04/2004 6:21:38 PM PDT by pa_dweller (A city holy to a people who condone and applaud the murder of innocents is a temple of demons.)
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To: Doogle

What IS it going to take? How MUCH has to happen before everyone realizes and admits that these ARE the 'true Muslims'.
They are obeying their religion. Their evil, corrupt, brainwashing, death-cult. It is the Muslims who are NOT terrorists who are not 'good Muslims'.
Over and over, the news shows the truth- yet fantasy prevails.


49 posted on 09/04/2004 6:24:53 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam...it's about Islam.)
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To: engrpat

Sounds like a target-rich event. Hope the UK government agrees.


50 posted on 09/04/2004 6:25:04 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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