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No End to War-The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless conflict
American Conservative ^ | March 1, 2004 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 08/30/2004 2:45:59 PM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 08/30/2004 2:45:59 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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2 posted on 08/30/2004 2:46:27 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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To: SJackson

Buchanan and reality are two words that don't belong in the same sentence.


3 posted on 08/30/2004 2:48:56 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: SJackson
Since I am 71 I am interested in 71 years before my birth --1862. At that time, the Dakota Sioux savaged the Minnesota frontier. Over five hundred died. Eventually, the greatest mass hanging in the US occurred.

The Dakota people were chased out onto the Western prairie and into Canada. It took almost another 30 years till the Battle of Wounded Knee in 1890 to complete the many battles and actions.

Actually, from about 1650 till 1890 Europeans fought Native Americans for this continent. You can debate, if you wish, the rightness or wrongness of these conflicts, but the fact remains it took this long to subdue a primitive, dangerous enemy who possessed great courage and determination.

We, then, have a historical precedent for a long and bloody war. Like it or not we will have to prevail.

4 posted on 08/30/2004 2:54:46 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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We cannot let ideological extremists of any stripe nor our allies and their minions control our nation's foreign policy.

How did we let these unelected wonks and wierdos take control?

5 posted on 08/30/2004 3:30:08 PM PDT by Ranger
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To: SJackson
a holocaust like that visited upon the Jews of Poland

Pat Buchanan, Holocaust-admitter!

6 posted on 08/30/2004 3:52:39 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Ranger
We cannot let ideological extremists of any stripe nor our allies and their minions control our nation's foreign policy. How did we let these unelected wonks and wierdos take control?

Actually, Ronald Reagan started it. Though GWB kept them on. Or are you one of the selected not elected freaks.

Why do you think they're in control? Are fold like George Bush, Richard Cheney, Condi Rice, Don Rumsfeld just a bunch of dumbass Christian's under the control of the eternal Jews?


7 posted on 08/30/2004 3:58:18 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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Pat Buchanan, Holocaust-admitter!

A first.

8 posted on 08/30/2004 3:59:00 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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To: Peach
Buchanan and reality are two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

More important that Buchanan and Republican are widely separated in peoples minds.

9 posted on 08/30/2004 4:00:22 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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Can anyone figure out what Pat is saying we should be doing instead of what we're doing?


10 posted on 08/30/2004 4:03:00 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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During the '80s, conservatives used to groan every time Kevin Phillips was quoted as a "conservative" saying something snippy about Ronald Reagan. They joked that he had acquired a new first name, "Even," as in, "Even Kevin Phillips opposes these tax cuts." Like Buchanan, Phillips is an old Nixon hand who decided at some point that exploiting cultural resentments and seeing various elites get their comeuppance mattered more than expanding freedom. The difference is that letting Buchanan continue to describe himself as a conservative would be not just irritating but destructive. He is in no important sense a conservative any more. Let his failure be his alone.

NRO's merciless spanking of Buchanan and his faux "more-conservative-than-thou" drivel is worth savoring in full. That was simply one of the many highlights, is all. :)

11 posted on 08/30/2004 4:05:25 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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McNamara and his Whiz Kids had to take the fall for Vietnam.

They did? Funny, I must have missed that.


12 posted on 08/30/2004 4:06:39 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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McNamara and his Whiz Kids had to take the fall for Vietnam...They did? Funny, I must have missed that.

Me too, maybe it's in the book :>)

13 posted on 08/30/2004 4:12:45 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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Can anyone figure out what Pat is saying we should be doing instead of what we're doing?

Close the Mexican border.

Get the Jews out of government.

Everything will be fine. The terrorists won't care about us once Israel is gone.

Besides, if they only kill 3,000 Americans every few years, what's the big deal?

14 posted on 08/30/2004 4:14:48 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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I think the great flaw in Buchanan's argument here lies in his assumption that Muslims would leave us alone if we would just back out of the Middle East. Muslims have been quite consistent and explicit about their desire for jihad and world conquest. Buchanan's attempt to slide over this rather significant issue falls flat on its face. Like it or not, we are facing a war against our very civilization, of which Israel is a member.

Still, many of his criticisms of the neo-cons are quite valid, most notably their utter hypocrisy about Tony Judt's recommendation - a multiculturalist, open-borders, liberal policy for Israel that neocons have no problem with imposing upon every single Western nation.

The neocons are quite correct that Judt's recommendation would utterly destroy Israel as a nation if implemented. Yet, when it is suggested that mass immigration is likewise destroying the very fabric of the US and other Western nations and cultures, the neocons start spouting their "proposition nation" arguments (for the US) or warmed-over leftist pap that multiculturalism (flooding the continent with Muslims and other incompatibles) is beneficial to European countries.

Frum and his buddies insist on having it both ways: "diversity" is great for the US and the West, but it would destroy Israel. It's quite OK to reduce traditonal majority populations to minorities in their own countries - except in Israel. Either it is good for all or bad for all. By arguing out of both sides of their mouth, Frum and his pals have destroyed their credibility. Their loyalty to the US is indeed open to question.

Contrary to Buchanan's idea that we should abandon Israel, there are many perfectly valid and compelling arguments that helping Israel stand against the Jihad is very much in line with our national interests from a traditional conservative viewpoint.


15 posted on 08/30/2004 4:18:09 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: SJackson

Pat writes well.


16 posted on 08/30/2004 4:46:43 PM PDT by larryjohnson (Retired USAF)
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Spare me the religious hyperbole. Foreign policy should be made at State and in the White House and not from the Pentagon or a think-tank with a tap into our intel and analytical stream.


17 posted on 08/30/2004 4:54:20 PM PDT by Ranger
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To: Ranger
Spare me the religious hyperbole. Foreign policy should be made at State and in the White House and not from the Pentagon or a think-tank with a tap into our intel and analytical stream.

And what makes you think it isn't? Sorry, I left Colin Powell off the list of dumbass Christians.

The fact of the matter is that ole Patrick conjures up theories of Zionist control of American foreign policy based on a handful of subcabinet level Jews in the first administration in decades without a Jew in a cabinet level position in decades. It's the stuff of bigotry, sorry you buy into it.

18 posted on 08/30/2004 5:01:34 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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Followed the link. Date says March 1, 2004. What gives?


19 posted on 08/30/2004 5:27:11 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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That's the date on the thread, apparently he hadn't been posted.


20 posted on 08/30/2004 5:49:19 PM PDT by SJackson (Pat Buchanan, “The Skunk at the Garden Party”, Michael Medved on Pat at the Republican Convention)
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