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Justices: Fetus is not a 'person'
Houston Chronicle ^ | Aug. 29, 2004 | JANET ELLIOTT

Posted on 08/29/2004 11:51:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Joe Republc
I would love to see a Human Life Amendment to the US Constitution. But I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

I agree, there is no chance to get the 2/3 vote necessary. The only way to overturn RvW would be to appoint conservative judges.

I would like to comment that I disagree with virtually all sides of the abortion debate. The issue in this article is, 'are fetuses persons?' The answer is simply, yes, ie., all fetuses are individuals or individuus (can not be divided). A conceptus or early embryo, less than 100 cells or so, is dividuus or capable of being divided into more than one person, eg., identical twins.

21 posted on 08/30/2004 7:49:25 AM PDT by Silent One
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To: nickcarraway

I disagree with the Court's opinion that a fetus is not a person. On the other hand I do not believe the Medical proffession is neglent everytime a baby is born dead, less than perfect, or because the ilk of John Edwards needs a new beach houes, town house or country estate.


22 posted on 08/30/2004 10:39:39 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ( The Swift Vets and you, know which story is true,Kerry-you say they lied-we say horse hocky!)
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To: AnimalLover

Tt's sure not a puppy.


23 posted on 08/30/2004 10:42:35 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: nickcarraway

Fetuses: Justices aren't all that humane either.


24 posted on 08/30/2004 10:57:23 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Askel5

"I'm afraid that "lesser evil" stands ... and assures us that abortion NEVER will be illegal again."

With Christ ALL things are possible!


25 posted on 08/30/2004 11:47:30 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: nickcarraway

This is exactly the reason I support a constitutional amendment.


26 posted on 08/30/2004 12:16:15 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: Askel5
"I'm afraid that "lesser evil" stands ... and assures us that abortion NEVER will be illegal again."

I never thought the iron curtain and the Soviet Union would fall in my life time, but they did. Whether it happens during my life time or not, the laws upholding abortin will also fall.

27 posted on 08/30/2004 12:20:25 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: nickcarraway

"Jerry Bullard, a lawyer for Reese and her husband, Donnie Reese, said he was disappointed in the ruling."

John Edwards might have won the case - he has/had an excellent record in 'personal injury' cases. :)


28 posted on 08/30/2004 12:21:42 PM PDT by familyofman (nobody's right if everybody's wrong)
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To: nickcarraway
a fetus is not a "person"

Neither is a liberal.

29 posted on 08/30/2004 12:23:08 PM PDT by chronotrigger (heart of Dixie; or pretty close to it.)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

=== I never thought the iron curtain and the Soviet Union would fall in my life time, but they did.


It was very Dramatic, no ... the Way the Wall fell INTO the West.

You need to check your premises. A little time spent studying the stated objectives and strategies of the former Soviets also might be helpful in ascertaining whether they're fans of Sun Tzu and what they meant by: we're not strong enough now but, once we are, we'll launch the greatest peace movement the world has ever seen and -- just when the West least expects it -- crush it with our clenched fist.

Nothing has changed ... unless, of course, you take a close look at closely we now resemble the former Soviet Union in many essential respects.


30 posted on 08/30/2004 12:38:23 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: cpforlife.org

A nation of Christians who regularly and consciously exclude the Triune Creator -- Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- from the most intimate and creative act they'll ever perform this life has no right to claim that "with Christ" all things are possible where the overturning of abortion is concerned.

Abortion is indeed a logical and reasonable part of any "right" to remain unpregnant while still having sex.

The sooner more self-styled Christians understand this much, the better our hopes will be for prevailing "with Christ" against the horrific and genocidal embrace of abortion by this so-called Christian nation.


31 posted on 08/30/2004 12:42:19 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
"Nothing has changed"

That's a ridiculous claim.

In the Soviet Union as in many of the formerly Eastern block countries, their problems are huge. However, they enjoy far more liberties and countries like Poland, enjoy a far better (though still way below ours) standard of living.

I have met countless people from that area of the world and have gotten to know some of them very well. While they all acknowledge great difficulties in their respective countries, they say it was far worse when they were children and young adults under the old regime.

32 posted on 08/30/2004 12:53:57 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

Things have reached a level, perhaps, between the two but the fact that New Russians can be as decadent as their Western enlightened counterparts is not really a ringing endorsement of the "saving graces of western materialism."

I wanted very much to see that things had changed -- it's one reason I went to Russia. A fresh coat of paint and state sanction of the newly-canonized Romanovs doesn't quite cut it for me.


33 posted on 08/30/2004 12:56:12 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
As time goes by, people will understand your point with greater clarity.

However, I concede it will probably take a long, long time. But it will happen.

34 posted on 08/30/2004 12:57:01 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

=== As time goes by, people will understand your point with greater clarity.


I guess that's part of the drawback of "living on the edge" as I do.

=)

Regards, Tough Stough.


35 posted on 08/30/2004 1:00:19 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
"the fact that New Russians can be as decadent as their Western enlightened counterparts is not really a ringing endorsement of the "saving graces of western materialism."

On that point, I couldn't agree more. I have had that discussion with them also. But those are hardly the liberties to which I referred.

When did you go to the Soviet Union?

36 posted on 08/30/2004 1:02:12 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

Two years ago. I'd like to go back since I was with a group at the time and was only able to ditch them with any regularity while in Moscow.


37 posted on 08/30/2004 1:12:05 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: AnimalLover
Just read last week that a pregnant illegal alien could return to the United States because her "fetus" was an American Citizen.

This is ridiculous. The baby isn't even born yet.

38 posted on 08/30/2004 1:15:00 PM PDT by Kaslin (Kerry.....Going down, down down)
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To: Iron Eagle

The Texas Medical Association, the OB-Gyn's and the Pharmacists was doing everything they could to block this bill, so there was a compromise to protect them from malpractice, in order to take the incremental change that allows for criminal charges in negligence and intentional harm that causes a death.

I fussed and fumed and wrote letters to protest the TMA'sinsistence on tort reform and the exemption from malpractice in these cases. But, as with the cloning and embryonic stem cell issue, I couldn't get anyone to stand for the unborn. The lawyer who was fighting this the hardest works for the TMA, but supposedly in this case, he was working for a "citizens' group." (I probably got lost in the explanation somewhere.)

I don't believe that the Texas Supreme Court could miss the definition of "individual" in the Prenatal Protection Act. By law, the unborn child is and "individual."


39 posted on 08/30/2004 1:16:38 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Askel5
A sinfull nation has no right to claim that "with Christ" all things are possible.

True enough.

However there are more than a few good Christians who are trying. In some small ways momentum is building. Those good Christians DO have a right to proclaim with Christ all things are possible.

An attitude of despair only feeds the Enemy. Some who see despair among the ranks will not join the Cause, some already in the Cause quit because of it.

Askel, you mentioned in a post recently: "What they don't realize is how liberating it truly is to face the odds -- however much worse than you thought they were -- head on." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200097/posts?page=240#240

And that is what Christians and especially those in the Pro-Life Movement need to do. Not to give false hopes and expectations, but through true Christian Faith say that no matter how insurmountable the odds, WITH CHRIST ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!

Now stop being a gloomy gus!

40 posted on 08/30/2004 1:17:37 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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