Parsing Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia-When Did NIXON/"HIS" MILITARY First Deny Troops Were There?

Unfit for Command (Link is to Regnery Book Description) ^ | Various | John Kerry

[Irish_Thatcherite]

That, I hope, is possible.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

OK, I see, but now, in all fairness, Kerry is lying; Vietnam has not a lot of Christians, especially since communism started there.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Washington Post 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published
Kerry's full military records on their Web site
(with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year),
they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information.
A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan,
said he was not authorized to release the full file,
which consists of at least a hundred pages. "

TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."

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NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.


Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

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Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company

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[igoramus987]

Nice try, no sale. Gardner is infinitely more credible than Wasser in the article, and you must know that.

I was just saying that even Wasser is on the record saying that he was not in Cambodia on Christmas.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Aggressors always take advantage of neutrality - Hitler did so with my country

[litany_of_lies]

The following covers the Lyndon Johnson base (would post link, but it requires subscription):

CBS Evening News for Friday, Nov 22, 1968

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Headline: Vietnam / Peace Talks / Action
Abstract: (Studio) North Vietnam blasts United States for South Vietnam's refusal to take point in peace talks.
REPORTER: Walter Cronkite

(Paris, France) North Vietnam holds news conf.; denounces US. North Vietnam spokesperson says secret talks between North Vietnam-US over. Willing to meet with United States without South Vietnam. Castigates United States for intrusions in Laos and Cambodia and for hitting villages in North point of DMZ.

REPORTER: Peter Kalischer

(Studio) State Department denies United States bombs places within DMZ. Says United States takes serious view of enemy violations of DMZ. 8,000 allies fight Communists near Da Nang. 87 North Vietnam and 10 Americans killed.

REPORTER: Walter Cronkite

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Based on the above, it's safe to say that we denied "intrusions into Laos and Cambodia," even though the report never says so (and it would have been typical of reporters at the time not to mention such a denial to make us look bad).

So this does indirectly show that the US was denying Cambodian involvement in late 1968 when Johnson was Prez and Nixon was president-elect.

That doesn't change the fact that Nixon took office later, and hasn't established when the NIXON ADMINISTRATION denied the existence of troops in Cambodia.

[litany_of_lies]

So noted. It appeared that you were trying to bolster Kerry's credibility. Sorry that I misunderstood.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

....but they still celebrate TET the Lunar New Year...

I think that sums up my point.

[muawiyah]

I know a fellow who recently returned from Viet Nam after ministering to a secret Pentacostal community. Waybackwhen I don't believe there were many Pentacostals in Viet Nam, now there are.

Christianity thrives under the most adverse of conditions. When Ho Chi Minh and his gumbahs turned Viet Nam into the world's third-largest outdoor slum, they opened the door for Christian martyrs, and they got them in numbers beyond all expectation.

Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.

[litany_of_lies]

Nice info--thanks.

The speech you linked to was on April 30, 1970.

From that speech:

".... for the past five years we have provided no military assistance whatever and no economic assistance to Cambodia."

Not exactly the same as no troops in Cambodia, but a pretty strong denial nevertheless. Do you know if Nixon said anything HIMSELF about Cambodia before that?

[the_Watchman]

Good find! Unfortunately, it would have been better if Cambodia wasn't in the mix until after Kerry had left Viet Nam.

A self-professed intelligence liaison stationed in the capital has stated that if Kerry had been sent into Cambodia, he would have known about it. He denied Kerry was ever in Cambodia.

[litany_of_lies]

Your point is why Kerry nailed himself so completely.

It's one thing for the Swifts to dispute whether he was in Cambodia in Christmas 1968.

It's another for Kerry to name the wrong president (he probably did this so he wouldn't offend fellow Dems, and was too stupid to realize the timeline error).

Even if they don't want to mess with the details, the average person can understand the obvious dishonesty of someone with a "seared" memory who names the wrong president at the time.

[litany_of_lies]

I was in Cambodia in either April or May of 69 and it was funny because as I recall Nixon was denying our presence there at that time....one of the guys had a small Jap transistor radio and we used to listen to it...during our day holds...

I believe what you say--do you have anything firm to prove it?

[cookcounty]

"And if the visitation is nuanced to Jan or Feb, what then were the Vietnamese celebrating? ",

The Vietnamese / Chinese New Year, a.k.a. "Tet." It's the big holiday.

[Joann37]

I love that picture!!!

[litany_of_lies]

I just sent Mr. Kopel an e-mail nothing that the date cited was AFTER the Cambodian invasion/incursion, and that the crticial question is whether Nixon made such a statement between Jan 20, 1969 (inauguration) and March 17, 1969 (when Kerry left with 3 Purple Hearts in tow).

I don't think Nixon made such a statement until March of 1970 a couple of months before the invasion/incursion.

[Nova]

"I don't think Nixon made such a statement until March of 1970"

Sorry, but what statement was that?

This is a little confusing

I saw the admission statement: "Richard M. Nixon: Cambodian Incursion Address; delivered 30 April 1970 from Washington, DC"
(noted above)

[litany_of_lies]

My point is that Nixon needed to make a "there are no troops in Cambodia" statrment between Jan. 20, 1969 and March 17, 1969 for Kerry to be telling the truth.

Yes, Nixon made the statement a year later in April 1970, but did he make a similar statement within the "Kerry Supposedly in Cambodia" timeline?

He may have, but I haven't found evidence of it yet.

[Nova]

Maybe The Nixon Library?

As usual, I can't find much info on the Net

[Cincinnatus]

You missed one piece of Kerry bulls***: why would the non-Christian Vietnamese celebrate Christmas?

No defender of Kerry I, but Vietnam was a very Catholic country, particularly after the partition when the Catholics in the North fled South. Diem and Mdm Nhu among many other leaders were Catholic.