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The Political Guns Of August Are Firing (Douglas Brinkley -- Christmas in Cambodia Not True)
Washington Post ^ | 08/28/04 | Ann Gerhart

Posted on 08/28/2004 3:46:12 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

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Kerry's own biographer admits the Christmas in Cambodia story is WRONG.

And Kerry has NO LEGITIMATE EXCUSE not to release his journals. The exclusivity agreement is a lie.

So says the Washington Post.

1 posted on 08/28/2004 3:46:13 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
I am not familiar with the idiom, "mongrel phrase". Is that just a lame euphemism for a lie?
2 posted on 08/28/2004 3:52:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Imagine no hypothetical situations.)
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To: conservative in nyc
"I'm under the impression that they were near the Cambodian border," said Brinkley, in the interview. So Kerry's statement about being in Cambodia at Christmas "is obviously wrong," he said. "It's a mongrel phrase he should never have uttered. I stick to my story."

Damning words.

3 posted on 08/28/2004 3:53:50 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: conservative in nyc

This sounds as if Brinkley's decided his hide and reputation are more valuable than Kerry's.


4 posted on 08/28/2004 3:56:56 AM PDT by hershey
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To: conservative in nyc
Dougie. John Kerry played you for the fool. And ya know what? You are a fool to still be spinning this. Grow up.
5 posted on 08/28/2004 3:59:11 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Not only do we need to see his journals and letters - which are probably filled with lies - but we need to see the official after action reports from the military. I heard the retired military expert tell Brit Hume on FoxNews several days ago that there are those reports filed somewhere in the archives. They will tell the real story as a radio person was always in contact with patrols in case they got into trouble. LET'S GET THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS.


6 posted on 08/28/2004 3:59:37 AM PDT by Elkiejg (Kerry is Clinton (no morals) and Gore (all lies) all rolled into one!!)
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To: hershey

I thought Brinkley had entered the witness protection program - at least that's what Mark Steyn wrote.

; )


7 posted on 08/28/2004 3:59:46 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
lame euphemism

Do euphemisms come in other varieties? ;)

8 posted on 08/28/2004 4:05:04 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: hershey
This sounds as if Brinkley's decided his hide and reputation are more valuable than Kerry's.

It's too late to save much of either of them now.

9 posted on 08/28/2004 4:09:23 AM PDT by Bob
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To: conservative in nyc
"Go bug John Kerry, and leave me alone."

Brinkley's getting testy. Hey, he's the one who sold his soul to the devil. I bet he's ticked because Unfit for Command has sold more copies than his book.

10 posted on 08/28/2004 4:24:20 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: conservative in nyc

Mmm, the Washington Post??? Now this story is really spinning out of control. The media will protect Kerry only so long as the individual members of the media don't feel they are being scooped by others members of the media. Once that starts happening they only care about their reputations for getting it first.


11 posted on 08/28/2004 4:28:10 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: conservative in nyc
I have a great idea for "W" during the first debate.... if Kerry brings up the subject of the Swift Boat Vets, and tries to lay the blame on Bush.

"W" should say: "I agree that this has gone on long enough, and it's time to lay this all to rest, right here, and right now." "I know that you have been too busy campaigning to handle this efficiently and with finality, so I have brought with me a form 180 for you to sign, releasing all of your service records, so that we can put this all behind us, and prove that whay you have said is the truth." "I'm with you man!"

At that point he should reach into his jacket and pull it out, walk it over to Kerry and hand it to him, reach into his pocket and produce a pen.

Case Closed.

12 posted on 08/28/2004 4:30:18 AM PDT by BB2
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To: Casloy
Page C01 -- Front page of Section C, whatever that is (Lifestyles?).

Another Dobbs piece is on the front page of the Washington Post, this time on Kerry's post-war activities. It mentions the VVAW Kansas City meeting (where the plot to assassinate Senators was discussed) and Kerry's participation in it.
13 posted on 08/28/2004 4:38:29 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Kerrys whole career is built on lies. It didnt matter so much when he was a Senator just voting the way Kennedy told him to each time, But when he tries to take the BIG JOB it matters.

John Kerry should write another book this one with the truth in it and a lot of apologies.He should name this book " A Step too far"


14 posted on 08/28/2004 4:43:01 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

kinda like 'fudging' data


15 posted on 08/28/2004 4:47:16 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: sgtbono2002
"One toke over the line" might also be apropos....doubt ole John remained 'drug free' during his long hair anti Vietnam Veteran Pro Hanoi days....

imo
16 posted on 08/28/2004 4:49:19 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: conservative in nyc
The Kerry campaign has refused to release Kerry's personal Vietnam archive, including his journals and letters, saying that the senator is contractually bound to grant Brinkley exclusive access to the material. But Brinkley said this week the papers are the property of the senator and in his full control.
17 posted on 08/28/2004 4:53:05 AM PDT by quatro
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Mongrel phrase" is likely superficial-intellectual speak for meaningless word assembly. Brinkley seems to be thrashing around. He should stay in the witless protection program and stay out of sight. His attempt to be ordained high priest of presidential culture has failed, and his peers will eat him alive for botching his "assignment".
18 posted on 08/28/2004 4:58:02 AM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: conservative in nyc

Bump for later read


19 posted on 08/28/2004 4:59:23 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: ScaniaBoy
I prefer witless protection program.
20 posted on 08/28/2004 4:59:36 AM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: conservative in nyc

research bump


21 posted on 08/28/2004 5:01:22 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry was in the Senate???)
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To: conservative in nyc

"It's a mongrel phrase he should never have uttered. I stick to my story."


So is Douglas Brinkley now calling JFKerry a "mongrel"????

Seems Douglas is feeling some heat!!!


22 posted on 08/28/2004 5:03:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: joesnuffy

Someone... on one of the threads yesterday said something to the effect... "if Kerry goes down it will be the parade the Vietnam vets never had".

Oh how sweet!!!


23 posted on 08/28/2004 5:09:09 AM PDT by oldngray
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I am not familiar with the idiom, "mongrel phrase". Is that just a lame euphemism for a lie?

It's combining two events, somehow, to make up a single statment. In this case, Brinkley is saying "Christmas in Cambodia" is not true, but "Christmas" is true (not in Cambodia though), and "in Cambodia" is true (but not at Christmas). The problem is, there is no record of Kerry being in Cambodia at ANY time during his Swift Boat assignments.

Kerry made up the whole thing. It is a lie. And he used the lie to poilitcal advantage, and to advance his personal ambitions. The lie is an assertion that teh US government (ostensibly under Nixon) was lying to the public -- and he continues to use that angle of atack, based on falsehoods. Today, he says the government lied to get us into Iraq. See a pattern here? These aren't "little harmless" lies. These are cold, calculated, and dangerous lies.

24 posted on 08/28/2004 5:10:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Just mythoughts

Read the rest of the article. It's clear Douglas Brinkley is feeling the heat. He's getting tons of calls from reporters.

Oh, by the way, he's going to be an NBC talking head next week during the Republican National Convention.


25 posted on 08/28/2004 5:11:18 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: mass55th
I bet he's ticked because Unfit for Command has sold more copies than his book.

Amazon.com sales rank on 8/28/04:

"Unfit for Command": 1

"Tour of Duty": 592

26 posted on 08/28/2004 5:14:09 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: conservative in nyc
Another Dobbs piece is on the front page of the Washington Post, this time on Kerry's post-war activities. It mentions the VVAW Kansas City meeting (where the plot to assassinate Senators was discussed) and Kerry's participation in it.

Saturday edition, lowest readership. But still, it's there!

I speculated to my wife that Kerry would be sunk by mid-September. He can't escape his past.

27 posted on 08/28/2004 5:14:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: conservative in nyc


That sucking sound you hear is Brinkley's reputation as a historian going down the drain. He must have decided to try to salvage a modicum of it, but it's really too late. His accounts of Kerry's heroics put him in the same catagory as Maureen Dowd in their lack of credibility.


28 posted on 08/28/2004 5:18:03 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: conservative in nyc

"Oh, by the way, he's going to be an NBC talking head next week during the Republican National Convention."


Time to expose him for being a sniveling little twit, not that world class historian he pretends to be.


29 posted on 08/28/2004 5:18:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: conservative in nyc

Congressman Dingle-berry of MI is on FOX Weekend, asking Ashcroft to investigate the "illegal" campaign ads by the Swiftvets....


30 posted on 08/28/2004 5:20:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: conservative in nyc

Michael Dobbs, also at the WP, wrote about Brinkley's refusal to let him see Kerry's journals. Strange that every thing is secret about Kerry's Vietnam experience.

Like an onion, the lies are revealed layer by layer.

Brinkley's reputation for scholarship and objectivity has been ruined as a result of his press agent flackery in Tour of Duty.


31 posted on 08/28/2004 5:49:45 AM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: hershey

Brinkley is now trying to save what may be left of his career. Methinks it's too late, but he has to make the effort. He should release the diaries since he has discredited the exclusivity "agreement".


32 posted on 08/28/2004 6:06:09 AM PDT by thelastvirgil
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To: conservative in nyc

Could I be wrong, but is the MSM starting to turn on John Kerry? I hope so! Want to see him disgraced and sent into the black hole from whence he came to the Nth degree! What a low life piece of vermin John Kerry is!!!


34 posted on 08/28/2004 6:28:58 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: TheGeezer
witless protection program

Love it. What a great phrase for this idiot Brinkley.

35 posted on 08/28/2004 6:33:39 AM PDT by sd-joe (Bush has power, while Kerry has only ambition)
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To: mohresearcher; thelastvirgil; Just mythoughts; kittymyrib; conservative in nyc; hershey; ...

> Brinkley's reputation for scholarship and objectivity
> has been ruined as a result of his press agent flackery
> in Tour of Duty.

He's in bigger trouble than that. The ToD book is what
set the Swifties off. The "Self Destruct" button on
Starship Kerry may not have been properly labelled,
but Brinkley is the fool who wondered "what does this
little button do?".

Brinkley apparently made little or no effort to contact
the surviving swifties (or perhaps he did call a couple,
and didn't like what he heard). In any case, he ignored
the ticking bomb of truths out there.

> I thought Brinkley had entered the witness protection
> program - at least that's what Mark Steyn wrote.

He's toast on both sides of the aisle now.


36 posted on 08/28/2004 6:35:24 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: Casloy
Black BG music:     




Critical dates: Oct 14 & 15, 1969

While on active duty at the Brooklyn Navy Yard
Lt(jg.) John Kerry illegally signed out to a bogus
destination and flew Adam Wilensky to anti-war rallies.

Source: Harvard Crimson and Peggy and John Kerry




Critical dates: Nov 12-15, 1971

While at a VVAW Steering Committee Conference in KC
John Kerry on Nov 15, 1971 "allegedly" votes
against the VVAW "Phoenix Project" plot
to assassinate 6 US Senators.

Source: FBI documents, VVAW witnesses and minutes.




The blood is in the water!







37 posted on 08/28/2004 6:37:39 AM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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I'm under the impression that they were near the Cambodian border," said Brinkley, in the interview. So Kerry's statement about being in Cambodia at Christmas "is obviously wrong," he said. "It's a mongrel phrase he should never have uttered. I stick to my story."

How exactly do the events described by a "mongrel phrase" get seared into one's memory?

Brinkley is either lying to us or lying to himself.

38 posted on 08/28/2004 6:40:13 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Cboldt; Lonesome in Massachussets
There is the term "conflation", which I think applies to Brinkley's term: "mongrel phrase".

Conflation: to combine 2 or more separate things to form a whole.

I think Kerry has some serious psychological problems. I agree w/those who think he smoked some strong pot while in Vietnam and afterward, but I think he has obsessed over his personal history for 30 years, maybe longer, and simply can no longer separate truth from fiction. I think the entire Christmas in Cambodia incident came from watching and internalizing "Apocalypse Now".

No one ever publicly called Kerry on any statement before. He will implode because he suddenly is under scrutiny and his entire constructed history is being questioned and proved bogus. His sense of entitlement will not allow him to even consider reality, let alone his own truthfulness. In the past, he has successfully used his Vietnam history and his Band of Brothers (tm) to silence anyone who questioned him. This time, his tactic itself is being blown wide open by the SBVT.
39 posted on 08/28/2004 6:46:25 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("John, YOU were the wrong one, here". Bob Dole)
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To: conservative in nyc

"It's a mongrel phrase ..."

That's Dem-speak for lie.


40 posted on 08/28/2004 6:46:58 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: thelastvirgil

Brinkley gambled that no one would ever read his boring little election-driven book. Wrongo, and now he's got egg on his face.


41 posted on 08/28/2004 6:53:44 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: Elkiejg
"LET'S GET THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS"

We also need to see all paperwork pertaining to medal awards. It now appears certain that sKerry was not under enemy fire during the first PH event. His commanding officer and the Dr. who treated his injury told him he didn't deserve a PH but somehow later he got one. The big question is HOW? Who signed a request for the PH, can an officer sign his own PH request? Or is it possible someone's name is forged to his PH request?

42 posted on 08/28/2004 6:53:51 AM PDT by lstanle
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To: reformedliberal
I think Kerry has some serious psychological problems.

I agree. He at least is comfortable with lying about important matters.

In the past, he has successfully used his Vietnam history and his Band of Brothers (tm) to silence anyone who questioned him.

The media is wholly to blame for permitting this fraud to continue. Not partly, WHOLLY. Some people have known, and could prove that Kerry was a fraud. The public was not given objective facts with which to draw its own conclusions.

The media is also wholly to blame for letting McGreevy slide for two years.

Slowly, bit by bit, the public is realizing how bad they have been had by this series of cons and manipulation. Once disenchanted, a person will NEVER believe the media again. Lost customer, forever.

43 posted on 08/28/2004 6:55:02 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass
Black BG music:     




Critical dates: Oct 14 & 15, 1969

While on active duty at the Brooklyn Navy Yard
Lt(jg.) John Kerry illegally signed out to a bogus
destination and flew Adam Wilensky to anti-war rallies.

Source: Harvard Crimson and Peggy and John Kerry




Critical dates: Nov 12-15, 1971

While at a VVAW Steering Committee Conference in KC
John Kerry on Nov 15, 1971 "allegedly" votes
against the VVAW "Phoenix Project" plot
to assassinate 6 US Senators.

Source: FBI documents, VVAW witnesses and minutes.




The blood is in the water!






44 posted on 08/28/2004 6:55:02 AM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: Casloy

bump


45 posted on 08/28/2004 6:55:28 AM PDT by meema
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

"Could I be wrong, but is the MSM starting to turn on John Kerry?"

You're wrong.


46 posted on 08/28/2004 6:55:31 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: conservative in nyc

He puts himself in the political center with Republican parents yet writes a fawning biography about the most liberal senator in the country....does'nt compute.


47 posted on 08/28/2004 6:57:50 AM PDT by SPRINK
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To: BB2

"At that point he should reach into his jacket and pull it out, walk it over to Kerry and hand it to him, reach into his pocket and produce a pen."

And produce his _own_ 180 and sign it. (I expect he already has, but why not do it again?)


48 posted on 08/28/2004 7:01:38 AM PDT by poindexter
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To: BB2

Ooops!

NEVER WALK ACROSS THE STAGE DURING A DEBATE!!!!!

Offer to have Kerry come sign the 180 following the debate.

(Interesting designation that is....Form 180)


49 posted on 08/28/2004 7:04:07 AM PDT by G Larry (Support John Thune!)
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To: sgtbono2002
He should name this book " A Step too far"

Good idea. Except the title should be "A medal too far"

50 posted on 08/28/2004 7:08:53 AM PDT by Edit35
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