Kerry anti-war group shunned Old Glory

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | August 27, 2004 | WorldNetDaily.com

[Jacob Kell]

Vietnam Veterans Against the War, the organization Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry helped lead in the early '70s after returning from his four-month tour of duty, decided to take down the U.S. flag that hung above the door of its Washington office after it caused "bad feelings."

The minutes of a July 1971 staff meeting at VVAW include the following item under the heading "Washington office."

[FairOpinion]

Bob Dornan was just on Hannity & Colmes and said that Kerry watched others burn the US flag less than 10 feet from him, and did nothing.

[rdl6989]

The general public needs to know Skerry did this before they make up their minds on the candidates. The nation can't survive another Bill Clinton.

[rdl6989]

The general public needs to know Skerry did this before they make up their minds on the candidates. The nation can't survive another Bill Clinton.

[ADemocratNoMore]

He also said that they ripped down ten flags that were being flown in the area and urinated on them.

[Mr. Mojo]

Colmes just accused Dornan of accusing Kerry of "Red baiting" ........being a communist and allowing the burning of Old Glory.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" Bob Dornan was just on Hannity & Colmes and said that Kerry watched others burn the US flag less than 10 feet from him, and did nothing."

As soon as I saw Dornan was going to be on, I knew we were in for a treat !
He did not disappoint.
Besides waving the remnants of communist flags that flew within inches of Kerry's head at the VVAW rally- Dornan showed pictures of POWs that suffered because of Kerry.
Dornan named the wife of a POW who wants to tell her late husband's story regarding Kerry.
Interesting fact-Dornan shadowed Kerry that day in DC during Kerry's VVAW rally and afterwards followed him whenever he could.
Dornan knew 36 years ago that Kerry was a scumbag-only wish he had taken pictures.
Dornan agrees with me and not with O'Reilly-this ain't going away any time soon.

[NImerc]

Give em hell B1 Bob!!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.


Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE

The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War
PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE

Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company

Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Send this url for the Steve Gardner video

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/

Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

[Delphinium]

So many of those born after 1971 have no idea what was happening back then.

That is another good reason to keep talking about it.

[Mr. Mojo]

Colmes just accused Dornan of accusing Kerry of "Red baiting"

Oops, that didn't come out right. I meant Colmes just accused Dornan of "Red baiting," and of trying to link Kerry with communism.

[Use It Or Lose It]

http://www.vvaw.org/

Demonstrating at the Republican Convention. Wonder if Jane Fonda will be with them again.

[ADemocratNoMore]

Kerrys record on the POWs has to come to the attention of the general public eventually. Consider the following...

Kerry labeled POW/MIA families who wanted to know about their loved ones as "professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos" who were only involved in the POW/MIA issue for money.

And from a post from "holyscroller"...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197801/posts?page=172#172

Kerry was the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA's in the 1990's.
Do a Google search for "POW/MIA Hearings John Kerry", and you'll get a sad and vivid picture of the dear men Kerry left over there.

POW/MIA FAMILY MEMBERS AGAINST JOHN KERRY have this to say on their website:

"John Kerry abandoned our husbands, sons, fathers, and brothers in favor of trade and normalization of relations with Vietnam. His actions paved the way for the further abandonment of POWs and MIAs from World War II, the Korean War, and the Cold War.

John Kerry, as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, ordered the destruction of committee documents, blocked avenues of investigation, and misrepresented progress on the POW/MIA issue to justify lifting of the trade embargo against Vietnam.

This is every bit as important as Kerry's lies about the Swift Boat Vets. These families should also be on TV telling their stories. Read about their loved ones on their site. It will break your heart!

End post from holyscroller

IMHO, this is dynamite.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

PING!!!!

Wild Irish Rogue I saw it too!

I've already e-mailed Bob Dornan to see if has some films or pics!

Wild Irish Rogue : Wrote

"As soon as I saw Dornan was going to be on, I knew we were in for a treat !
He did not disappoint.
Besides waving the remnants of communist flags that flew within inches of Kerry's head at the VVAW rally- Dornan showed pictures of POWs that suffered because of Kerry.
Dornan named the wife of a POW who wants to tell her late husband's story regarding Kerry.
Interesting fact-Dornan shadowed Kerry that day in DC during Kerry's VVAW rally and afterwards followed him whenever he could.
Dornan knew 36 years ago that Kerry was a scumbag-only wish he had taken pictures.
Dornan agrees with me and not with O'Reilly-this ain't going away any time soon."

[Jim Robinson]

I saw it. Dornan was great!! Go B1 Bob!!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Go B1 Bob!!"

AMEN Brother!

[Wild Irish Rogue]

You're absolutely correct.
Kerry stabbed the POW/MIA families in the back.
And there's no way around that.
Hopefully, there's a videotape of Kerry trashing the POW/MIA families .

[Jim Robinson]

The Democrats are going to rue the day they ever nominated this treasonous commie lover (John Fraud Kerry). Actually, I'm sure they're already sorry.

Four more years!!

[doug from upland]

[Interesting Times]

WorldNetDaily appears to have discovered these meeting minutes, which we posted at WinterSoldier.com along about March...

[mylife]

yup I saw it as well

[Smartass]

THANKS FOR THE PING!


SUPER BOB DORNAN...
B-1 Bob buried "Hanoi John" on "Hannity" & "Commie Colmes." 8/27/2004

[skinkinthegrass]

You left a few stops... :))

[skinkinthegrass]

You left a few stops...

stops = spots. :((

[T'wit]

VVAW turned the flag upside-down -- 70s photo (I think from "The New Soldier") among several posted elsewhere today or yesterday. Sorry, I didn't save the reference, but maybe somebody will remember the photo.

[igoramus987]

Bob Dornan was just on Hannity & Colmes and said that Kerry watched others burn the US flag less than 10 feet from him, and did nothing.

Dornan said he has got it on film as he shot it all with a camera. If he releases the footage with the flag burning, it will be over for Kerry.

[MoJo2001]

BTTT! Thanks for the ping Mr.Tonkin!

[sonofatpatcher2]

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[Fedora]

Ping to link in Post #21.

[Fedora]

Thanks for the ping!

[Boazo]

Dornan had it going tonight!!! Yeah

[Soaring Feather]

bump

[JLO]

Dag nab it! I missed it. TV and computer - not in the same room, So, tell me I don't have a FR addiction. LOL!


I was actually waiting to see Hannity tonight, after his "wanna bet" comment last night. I remember his bet started at $100 I think, and went up to $100K. The 1971 Kerry buddy, - said, "I'll bet a case of beer."

That's the kind of friends John Kerry has these days. Just some left-over ANTI-anti-anti-anti- folks.

Did you see that?

[BykrBayb]

Keep digging, kerry.
You're doing fine.

[JLO]

Well, I can understand somewhat. But read some more.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I doubt the Post would have had photos of the flag burning in Washington D.C. on those days in April 1971, by Lt. Kerry's ragtag, stinky troops, but if the Washington Star was around, they would have had it. Unfortunately that newspaper is long gone. The TV stations in DC were all around at that time....however 33 years is a long time. I doubt it would easy to get such footage. Transcripts from the declassified FBI field reports that I have read from those VVAW-WSO D.C. days were amazing. There was LOT of marijuana/hard drugs, under age girls flocking around those unclean "vets" (for sex right out on The Mall on park benches), American flag burning, vandalism of State flags, the "F" word everywhere (as in Forrest Gump scene with the VVAW rally),strewn trash, feces, VC flags waving proudly, you name it.

[Just Lori]

For Kerry & Co., on November 2nd.



Is that from the makers of "tryopenin"? =)

[Just Lori]

So many of those born after 1971 have no idea what was happening back then.


And they're voting NOW. Not all are koolaiders, but too many are, and they have no idea...... they only have what their college professors have told them. Very Scary indeed!

[Delphinium]

Except some of us taught our children right.

I started out a hippy, and even participated in some anti-war demonstratons until I realzed what phoneys they were.

By the ime I was 16, I was a conservative.

[Samwise]

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.' We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim."

--John F'ing Kerry

[Samwise]

Where is John Kerry's Flag?

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040207-101914-7180r.htm

[MistyCA]

John...will you please ping this for me???

A timeline of AntiWar activity.....

John Kerry's Trail of Treachery
By WinterSoldier.com
WinterSoldier.com | April 8, 2004

March 8, 1965 -- The first Stockholm Conference on Vietnam is held in Stockholm, Sweden. The conference is the creation of Romesh Chandra, chairman of the KGB-funded World Peace Council. Former Soviet bloc spy chief Ion Mihai Pacepa will later describe it as "a permanent international organization to aid or to conduct operations to help Americans dodge the draft or defect, to demoralize its army with anti-American propaganda, to conduct protests, demonstrations, and boycotts, and to sanction anyone connected with the war." The operation is staffed by undercover intelligence officers and funded to the tune of about $15 million per year by the Communist Party. Between 1966 and 1972 it will generate what Pacepa describes as "thousands of 'documentary' materials printed in all the major Western languages describing the 'abominable crimes' committed by American soldiers against civilians in Vietnam, along with counterfeited pictures."

May 2, 1967 -- Bertrand Russell's International War Crimes Tribunal opens in Stockholm, Sweden, with Jean-Paul Sartre as executive president. The members of the tribunal are all well-known supporters of North Vietnam, and the "evidence" presented is supplied largely by North Vietnam, the Vietcong, and communist investigators. The Tribunal concludes that American forces are engaged in the "massive extermination" of the people of South Vietnam, and are committing "genocide in the strictest sense."

November 20, 1967 -- A second session of the International War Crimes Tribunal is held at Roskilde, Denmark.

Early April, 1969 -- U.S. Naval Lieutenant John Kerry leaves Vietnam and is soon reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.

November, 1969 -- In response to a public call from the Bertrand Russell foundation in New York, Jeremy Rifkin and Tod Ensign launch a new organization called Citizens Commissions of Inquiry (CCI) to publicize American war crimes in Indochina.

November 22, 1969 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as saying, "I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."

December, 1969 -- Kerry requests an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat on an antiwar platform.

January 3, 1970 -- Kerry is discharged from active duty.

February 13, 1970 -- Candidate Kerry tells the Harvard Crimson, "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations," and that he wants "to almost eliminate CIA activity."

February, 1970 -- CCI co-sponsors its first "commissions of inquiry" in Toronto and Annapolis MD, and begins providing accounts of war crimes to the press. During the next few months, the CCI holds events in Springfield Massachusetts, Richmond, New York City, Buffalo, Boston, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Portland Oregon.

March, 1970 -- Kerry drops out of the Fourth District congressional race to make way for antiwar activist Father Robert F. Drinan, dean of Boston College Law School, and later becomes chairman of Drinan's campaign. Drinan defeats pro-war incumbent Philip Philbin in the Democratic primary and goes on to win the general election.

May 7, 1970 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show for the first time, speaking in opposition to U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

May 23, 1970 -- Kerry marries Julia Stimson Thorne in New York.

Late May or early June, 1970 -- John and Julia Kerry travel to Paris on a private trip. Kerry meets with Madam Win Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG) -- the political wing of the Vietcong -- and with representatives of Hanoi who were in Paris for the peace talks.

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

August, 1970 -- VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard asks Tod Ensign and Jeremy Rifkin of the CCI to join with the VVAW, the Reverend Dick Fernandez of Clergy and Laymen Concerned about Vietnam (CALCAV), Jane Fonda, Mark Lane and others to organize national hearings on war crimes. Lane suggests calling the hearings "Winter Soldier," a play on the opening lines of Thomas Paine's The American Crisis: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink for the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." By the end of the month the Winter Soldier Investigation has been planned as a simultaneous event featuring "Vietnamese victims" in Windsor, Canada, and Vietnam veterans in Detroit, connected by closed-circuit television.

September 4, 1970 -- Operation RAW (Rapid American Withdrawal). Some 75 VVAW members begin a three-day hike to Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Along the way they simulate war atrocities against civilians, and hand out flyers to townspeople stating that they might have been raped, murdered or tortured by the U.S. Infantry had they been Vietnamese, and claiming that "American soldiers do these things every day."

September 7, 1970 -- At the conclusion of Operation RAW, a rally is held in Valley Forge, featuring speeches by John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and Mark Lane. Fonda is quoted as saying that "...My Lai was not an isolated incident but rather a way of life for many of our military."

September 11, 1970 -- A VVAW Executive Committee meeting is attended by president Jan Crumb, executive secretary Al Hubbard, treasurer Jason Gettinger, Northeast representative John Kerry, and three others. The organization leadership decides to picket against the National Guard Association in New York, send Hubbard on a "speaking tour" with Jane Fonda, consider an "appropriate induction center action for purpose of making clear transition from citizen to war criminal," and "sponsor turn in of war crimes testimony to UN" after the Winter Soldier event.

October, 1970 -- Jane Fonda and Al Hubbard raise money for the VVAW and create new chapters through a nationwide lecture tour covering more than 50 college campuses. Fonda and Mark Lane also plug the VVAW during appearances on the Dick Cavett Show.

November, 1970 -- After a falling-out between Mark Lane and the CCI leadership, the CCI splits from the VVAW and drops out of the Winter Soldier event. The CCI turns to planning a National Veterans Inquiry in Washington, D.C. in early December. Fonda and Lane continue working with the VVAW on Winter Soldier.

December 27, 1970 -- In Mark Lane: Smearing America's Soldiers in Vietnam, reporter and Vietnam veteran Neil Sheehan savages Mark Lane's Conversations With Americans in the New York Times Book Review as "irresponsible" and details several fabricated claims of American atrocities. Publisher Simon & Schuster quickly cancels future printings of Lane's book.

December 29, 1970 -- Playboy subscribers start receiving the February 1971 issue of the magazine, which contains a full page ad provided for free to the VVAW by publisher Hugh Hefner. The ad brings in thousands of new members during the next several weeks.

January, 1971 -- Jane Fonda raises money for the Winter Soldier Investigation through a series of benefit concerts. Participants include Fonda, Dick Gregory, Donald Sutherland, Graham Nash, David Crosby and Phil Ochs.

Late January, 1971 -- Newly elected Congressman Ronald Dellums permits the CCI to set up a display of "war crime materials" in his Washington office.

Late January, 1971 -- Canadian authorities deny visas to the Vietnamese refugees who had been scheduled to describe American atrocities in Windsor, limiting the Winter Soldier Investigation to the single event in Detroit.

January 31 - February 2, 1971 -- The Winter Soldier Investigation. Members of the VVAW meet in a Detroit hotel to document war crimes that they had participated in or witnessed during their combat tours in Vietnam. During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians give anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses state that these acts are being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy.

February, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet with Vietcong representatives in Windsor, Canada after the Winter Soldier Investigation.

February 19, 1971 -- VVAW leaders meet in New York to plan the organization's next action. John Kerry proposes to "march on Washington and take this whole thing to Congress." The protest is designated "Dewey Canyon III," after two military operations into Laos intended to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Early 1971 -- Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland form "FTA" (F*** The Army), an anti-war, anti-American road show that tours near Army bases in order to undermine troop morale. Skits and songs portray American defeats, soldiers refusing to fight, and the murder of officers by their troops. FTA cast members mingle with soldiers after the shows, encouraging them to desert or to sabotage the Army.

March, 1971 -- Jane Fonda meets privately in Paris with Madame Binh of the PRG. Fonda then flies to London where according to the book "Citizen Jane" she alleges American atrocities that include "applying electrodes to prisoners' genitals, mass rapes, slicing off of body parts, scalping, skinning alive, and leaving 'heat tablets' around which burned the insides of children who ate them.'"

March 16, 1971 -- John Kerry holds a news conference with retired general David Shoup in a congressional hearing room.

Early April, 1971 -- The VVAW is flat broke the week before the Dewey Canyon III event, with no way to transport protestors. In his book "Home to War," Gerald Nicosia will report that "Kerry immediately got on the phone to some of the biggest Democratic Party fund-raisers in New York and set up a meeting. When it broke up, VVAW was $75,000 in the black, and busfare for at least a few hundred out-of-towners was assured." Writing in "Winter Soldiers," Richard Stacewicz will cite an FBI memorandum dated April 13, 1971 as follows, "VVAW had received fifty thousand dollars from United States Senators McGovern and Hatfield, who... obtained the money from an unknown New York source."

April 18, 1971 -- John Kerry and Al Hubbard appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" to allege widespread atrocities by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. Hubbard is introduced as a former Air Force captain who had spent two years in Vietnam and was wounded in action. Kerry seems to admit to committing war crimes, saying, "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

April 18 - 23, 1971 -- Operation Dewey Canyon III. More than a thousand VVAW members stage an "invasion" of Washington D.C., where they hold memorial ceremonies, meet with sympathetic members of Congress, camp on the Mall, perform "guerilla theater" -- re-enactments of atrocities against civilians, complete with fake blood -- on the Capitol steps and in front of the Justice Department, and hold a candlelight march around the White House carrying an upside-down American flag. At the end of the six-day event, a number of the veterans throw military medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol in a gesture of contempt. Many shout obscenities or threats against the government. The protests receive enthusiastic coverage in the communist Daily World newspaper on April 20th (Part 1, Part 2), 21st (Part 1, Part 2), 23rd (Part 1, Part 2), and 24th (Part 1, Part 2). Later in 1971, Kerry and the VVAW will publish The New Soldier, a book of essays and photographs documenting the event.

April 22, 1971 -- John Kerry testifies on behalf of the VVAW before the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs. He claims that American soldiers had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..." and that these acts were "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Kerry also accuses the U.S. military of "rampant" racism and of being "more guilty than any other body" of violating the Geneva Conventions, supports "Madame Binh's points" when asked to recommend a peace proposal, and states that any reprisals against the South Vietnamese after an American withdrawal would be "far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America."

April 22, 1971 -- The NBC Nightly News reveals that Al Hubbard had not been an Air Force Captain, as he claimed, but a staff sergeant E-5. A later investigation of Hubbard's military records shows that he was never assigned to Vietnam.

April 25 - 28, 1971 -- Congressman Dellums sponsors ad hoc war crimes hearings organized by the CCI and attended at least in part by twenty members of Congress.

April 27, 1971 -- Hundreds of thousands of protestors march in Washington, D.C., led by members of the VVAW. Kerry spoke to the crowd, accepting applause on behalf of "the 1,200 active-duty GIs who took part in the [Dewey Canyon III] demonstration." The Daily World is on the job, with glowing coverage of the day's events (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4).

May 3, 1971 -- VVAW members throw bags of cow manure on the steps of the Mall Entrance to the Pentagon, then offer to clean up the mess in return for an audience with an assistant Secretary of Defense. This offer is rejected, and 28 people are arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.

May 25, 1971 -- Kerry appears on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer. Asked whether he wants to be President of the United States, Kerry replies in the negative, and calls it a "crazy question."

June 20, 1971 -- Kerry appears on The Dick Cavett Show to debate Navy veteran John O'Neill, who is representing a group called Veterans for a Just Peace put together by the Nixon Administration.

July 17, 1971 -- Following a month-long speaking tour of the Soviet Union and other countries, six VVAW and CCI members meet with PRG representatives in Paris to show support for the communist peace plan.

July 20, 1971 -- Leaders of the VVAW hold a staff meeting. They agree to use the designations favored by North Vietnam (Democratic Republic of Vietnam) and the Vietcong (Provisional Revolutionary Government) for future press releases, decide to remove all American flags from VVAW offices, and discuss how best to handle Al Hubbard's planned trip to Hanoi.

July 24, 1971 -- the Daily World features a photograph of John Kerry speaking in support of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (Vietcong) Seven Point Plan.

August, 1971 -- VVAW Executive Committee member Joe Urgo travels with other antiwar leaders to North Vietnam, where he meets with Prime Minister Pham Van Dong.

August, 1971 -- The FBI opens a full investigation of the VVAW to "determine the extent of control over VVAW by subversive groups and/or violence-prone elements in the antiwar movement," noting that "sources had provided information that VVAW was stockpiling weapons, VVAW had been in contact with North Vietnam officials in Paris, France, VVAW was receiving funds from former CPUSA members and VVAW was aiding and financing U.S. military deserters. Additionally, information had been received that some individual chapters throughout the country had been infiltrated by the youth groups of the CPUSA and the SWP [Socialist Workers Party]." Source: FBI Memorandum to Senate Select Committee, 12/2/75, pp. 2-3; Hearings, Vol. 6, Exhibit 72.

Late August, 1971 -- Kerry and Hubbard meet with leftist millionaires in East Hampton to promote the VVAW and show film clips of atrocity claims from the Winter Soldier Investigation. According to the New York Times, a request for funds had the attendees "scrambling for pens and checkbooks."

November 12-15, 1971 -- the VVAW leadership meets in Kansas City. Fearing surveillance by authorities, the group relocates the meeting to another building. They debate, then vote down a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Several witnesses, meeting minutes and FBI records eventually place John Kerry at this meeting.

December 26, 1971 -- Fifteen VVAW protesters take over the Statue of Liberty and drape a large upside-down American flag across the statue's face.

December 27, 1971 -- Twenty-five VVAW protesters take over the Betsy Ross House in Philadelphia, hanging an upside-down American flag in front of the house.

December 28, 1971 -- 150 VVAW protesters splash bags of blood in front of the White House, then take over the Lincoln Memorial. 87 are arrested.

January 11, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at Dartmouth College.

January 25, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "People's State of the Union" in Washington, D.C.

February, 1972 -- A VVAW delegation attends a World Assembly for Peace and Independence of the People of Indochina in Versailles, France.

April 22, 1972 -- John Kerry represents the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.

July 8 - 22, 1972 -- Jane Fonda visits Hanoi, where she makes numerous radio broadcasts to American military personnel, encouraging mutiny and desertion while repeatedly claiming that the United States is committing war crimes in Vietnam. Fonda also visits American prisoners, reporting on the air that they are being "well cared for" and that they wished to convey their "sense of disgust of the war and their shame for what they have been asked to do." Upon leaving North Vietnam, Fonda accepts from her hosts a ring made from the wreckage of a downed American plane.

September 18, 1972 -- John Kerry's brother Cameron and Vietnam veteran Thomas Vallely are arrested in Lowell, Massachusetts in the basement of a building that houses both Kerry's campaign headquarters and those of opposing candidate Tony DiFruscia. Cameron Kerry and Vallely are charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. Kerry will win the Democratic nomination for a Massachusetts congressional seat the next day, but lose in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin. Thomas Vallely will later become director of the Vietnam Program at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

Late 1972 -- The U.S Congress votes to eliminate funding for military operations in Indochina.

January, 1973 -- The Nixon Administration signs the Treaty of Paris.

February and March, 1973 -- American prisoners of war are released by North Vietnam. They report having been starved, beaten and tortured by their captors, in an effort to make them sign documents in which they admitted to committing war crimes.

April, 1973 -- Jane Fonda calls the freed American prisoners "hypocrites and pawns," insisting that, "Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

Fall, 1974 -- North Vietnam initiates minor probing attacks into South Vietnam, in violation of the Paris treaty. There is no military response by the United States.

Early 1975 -- North Vietnam launches a massive invasion of South Vietnam.

April 30, 1975 -- Saigon falls.

1975 - 1979 -- Communist regimes in southeast Asia murder an estimated two million Cambodians, as well as tens of thousands of South Vietnamese. One million South Vietnamese are imprisoned in "re-education camps," and hundreds of thousands die there. An additional two million flee the country, with many drowning in the attempt.

1978 -- The original VVAW splits when a minority breaks away to form Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAWAI), with the larger faction retaining the original name. Both the VVAW and the rabidly anti-American VVAWAI remain in operation today.

1978 -- Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a "co-founder" of the organization. In the late 1980s, Mueller and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF) will split from the VVA.

1981 -- Mueller leads a VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praises the communist leadership of Vietnam and lays a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi Minh

[FairOpinion]

"Dornan said he has got it on film as he shot it all with a camera. If he releases the footage with the flag burning, it will be over for Kerry."

How did I miss that? I know Dornan was showing the communist flags Kerry's buddies were showing at the rally he was at, and the US flag that was burt partially, but I didn't know he had in on film.

I hope he releases that.

Kerry will go up in flames, the way they were burning the US flag.

Anybody has that picture of a protester ( I think it was in Afghanistan) burning the US flag, then he himself catches on fire.

That will be Kerry.

[nicotinefiend]

From post #7...Dornan knew 36 years ago that Kerry was a scumbag-only wish he had taken pictures.

It's better to have correct information.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Casloy]

So true it needed repeating!!!!

[July 4th]

That was one of the most unreal clips I've ever seen. Bob Dornan just starts whipping out commie flags from the VVAW protest, and one American flag that was burned that day. B-1 Bob had some serious balls to be there that day, and to document it.

[Casloy]

I'm thinking the Kerry camp's worst nightmare isn't that his Vietnam service issues continues to dominate the news. I'm thinking they are scared to death it will switch to discussions of his post Vietnam activities.

[Admin Moderator]

Please don't post that again.