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ATTENTION SPACESHIP ONE AND WAR BIRD FANS
The Grand Internet ^ | 07-12-04 | PeteePie

Posted on 07/12/2004 7:40:58 AM PDT by PeteePie

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To: snopercod

I didn't see anything on the "Spaceship" that looked like a heat - shield, and am a little curious as to why even early suborbital capsules had to contend with the scorching heat of "Re-Entry", while it does not appear to be a big deal with this rig.

What keeps this craft from burning up on re-entry like the last Space Shuttle did?

As you can probably tell, I have lots more curiosity than clue here...


21 posted on 07/14/2004 10:21:00 AM PDT by Uncle Jaque ("Bone an' bred in de margins, Bre'r Fox!")
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To: The Libertarian Dude
NASA won't stand for it. They'll try to get Uncle Statism to put the kibosh on private spaceflight.

I agree in principle. It's not NASA per se, but someone or someones, probably several interest groups, are resisting space development. Somebody will get to a Senator and the Senator will get to a bureaucrat and the bureaucrat will dig through the statutes and some regulation will be found. They may be letting this one fly for two reasons: first, it isn't really going anywhere, and second, it might end in disaster and they wouldhn't have to worry about space development again for several years.

22 posted on 07/14/2004 10:22:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Uncle Jaque
What keeps this craft from burning up on re-entry like the last Space Shuttle did?

I wish I knew. That orange stuff on the underside of the nose and leading edges was supposed to be special paint which changes color in response to heat so they could see how hot it actually got.

23 posted on 07/14/2004 10:35:15 AM PDT by snopercod (I remember when Gallo Red Mountain wine was $1.59 a gallon.)
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To: Uncle Jaque

"What keeps this craft from burning up on re-entry like the last Space Shuttle did?"

The Mercury capsules had a high weight/drag ratio, and thus dropped from sub-orbit like a bullet. SS1 has a low weight/drag ratio, so it floats down like a feather (more or less).


24 posted on 07/14/2004 10:36:53 AM PDT by poindexter
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To: Uncle Jaque

There is a heat shield on SpaceShipOne. It is more of a thick paint on the nose and the leading edges of the wings and must be repainted for each flight. The structure is plastic with carbon fiber reinforcement and can't take much heat at all. At 2000 to 3000 there is some heat from friction with the air.


25 posted on 07/14/2004 10:37:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: snopercod; Uncle Jaque; Sabertooth
The SS-1 uses what Rutan calls a "supersonic feathering" at high speeds to slow down from "space" speeds (though he does NOT get to orbital speeds yet!) down to near-supersonic speeds (mach 1.5 or so), then "conventional" supersonic flight (gliding) down to land.

The tail and aft wings tilt to about 35 degrees from the body, and the spacecraft (still supersonic) slows in the ultra-high vacuum of 130,000+ feet to use air drag. not sure of his actual speed at that time:

Sabertooth, do you recall?

Not as much heat as the shuttle or satellites that are colliding from orbit speeds.
26 posted on 07/14/2004 11:53:55 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The re-entry heat is dependent not only upon the speed, but on the mass. What's the formula for kinetic energy? (Grabbing my Marks' STANDARD HANDBOOK off the shelf in front of me) Oh, there it is: E= ½mv2

Since SS-1 is very light, that helps.

OTOH, the resins used to build fiberglass airplanes start to weaken at about 200° F.

An aircraft parked on the ramp at PHX gets hotter than that.

I really don't know how they do it (the secret of which may be the big story here.)

Here at the house, I have Burt Rutan's set of three video tapes on basic composite construction. I think they are circa 1980 or so, so they may be collectors items now.

27 posted on 07/14/2004 12:21:20 PM PDT by snopercod (I remember when Gallo Red Mountain wine was $1.59 a gallon.)
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To: Uncle Jaque; snopercod

21 - "What keeps this craft from burning up on re-entry like the last Space Shuttle did? "

sub-orbital flights really don't go that fast for super-heating. Sort of like rubbing your hands together, they get hot, but you can't make a fire.

IIRC, the original sub-orbital Redstone flights of Alan Sheppard, et al, had heat shields mostly to test heat shields for orbital flights of the Gemini.

Rutan's bird flys much slower, only 2-3,000 mph. The shuttle broke apart at 12,000 mph after major decelleration from about 18,000 mph.

There have been some NASA tests for ablative heat shields, which were turned down (too cheap) just make of bundles of wooden 2x4's.


28 posted on 07/14/2004 12:42:38 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Uncle Jaque; snopercod

28 - correction - "IIRC, the original sub-orbital Redstone flights of Alan Sheppard, et al, had heat shields mostly to test heat shields for orbital flights of the Gemini. "

should have been:

"IIRC, the original sub-orbital Redstone flights of Alan Sheppard, et al, had heat shields mostly to test heat shields for LATER orbital flights of MERCURY and THEN Gemini. "


29 posted on 07/14/2004 12:56:16 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: Uncle Jaque; snopercod

28-"sub-orbital flights really don't go that fast for super-heating. Sort of like rubbing your hands together, they get hot, but you can't make a fire. "

CORRECTION:

"sub-orbital flights really don't go that fast OR LONG for super-heating. Sort of like rubbing your hands together, they get hot, but you can't make a fire. "


30 posted on 07/14/2004 1:11:59 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: snopercod; XBob
Right: you're looking at total kinetic energy there (1/2mv^2), which has its source the total of potential energy + kinetic energy at apogee.

For this particular flight series, kinetic energy at apogee is very, very low. Thus, total energy that has to be "burned off" by (1st) air resistance through supersonic "weather-cocking" of the tial surfaces, (2nd) by "regular" supersonic flight air resistance down to landing, and by (3rd - and last) heat is almost exclusively determined by maximum height.

Additionally, some is burned off by friction of the fwd skid plate at landing, regular wheel brakes, and coasting down in the sub-sonic glide path.

This isn't a "normal" glued together Rutan airplane: 200 degrees isn't the skin breakdown temperature.
31 posted on 07/14/2004 1:34:24 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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