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Kerry's divorce papers: A ticking time bomb: Kevin McCullough says sealed documents going public
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, July 2, 2004 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 07/02/2004 12:30:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/02/2004 12:31:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Friday, July 2, 2004


Kerry's divorce papers: A ticking time bomb

Posted: July 2, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Kevin McCullough


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Some Democrats in Illinois may have been tickled pink at the prospect of throwing the U.S. Senate race into utter confusion two weeks ago, but those same Democrats have now likely opened up vulnerability at the top of the ticket. And with what is already publicly known about the tortured marriage between Sen. John Kerry and his first wife Julia Stimson Thorne, there is reason to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire.

When the Chicago Tribune and ABC News decided to sue for information that had been sealed in custody agreements in the Jack and Jeri Ryan divorce, the judge stunningly ruled against the wishes of both parents to open up sensitive information that even the judge said would bring embarrassment and damage to their son. If the judge was willing to go to such extraordinary measures for the sake of the "public's right to know," it seems to me it will be a difficult task for John Kerry to be able to keep his divorce records sealed.

For one, John Kerry is running for the highest office in the land, and it is self-evident that voters want to know as much as possible about the public life of someone running for that position. The argument that the press made in the Jack Ryan case was that all divorce proceedings are public. A public act, paid for by public fees and taxes, and the proceedings take place in the public's courthouse. The "public's right to know" became the all-encompassing battle cry for the Chicago Tribune. Now the tables are being turned against John Kerry, and he has given his opponents even more reason to pursue the records after, according to the Boston Globe, he flatly rejected making the documents public this week.

What are we likely to find in the John Kerry records? There are only a handful of people who know for sure. But adding up what we know about the circumstances surrounding the John Kerry/Julia Thorne divorce, it is obvious to many that it impacted her a great deal more than it did him. This becomes a matter for the voters when you realize that on his website John Kerry claims "a very active Catholic faith."

Joseph Curl wrote for the Washington Times back in April of this year:

"The couple had two daughters, Alexandra in 1973 and Vanessa in 1976, but all was not bliss in the Kerry mansions. They separated in 1982, with Thorne in the depths of a severe depression and on the brink of suicide, which she blamed on her husband's cold and distant nature, his long absences and his fierce ambition (which she was bankrolling). The separation came as Kerry was mulling a bid to run for the Senate seat vacated by Paul Tsongas in 1984; Thorne said she still associates politics 'only with anger, fear and loneliness.' In 1988, the final divorce went through. ... She later called her relationship with Kerry a 'suffocating marriage.'"

What kind of man leaves his wife, but especially when she is in the midst of suicidal depression? In addition, there seemed to be a hotly contested issue when Kerry later wished to marry Teresa Heinz over whether or not he should be granted an annulment.

He pushed ahead for the annulment even though it technically threw his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy. Having recovered from her depression by that point, some 18 years later Thorne fired back with hotly worded letters that she also copied to the Boston Globe. In 1997, Kerry even publicly joked about the issue of annulment on a radio talk show saying that 75 percent of all annulments in the world take place in the U.S., but he guessed, "That number would drop to 50 percent if you take out all of the Massachusetts politicians."

Hmm, seems like a really caring guy with just loads of respect for his daughters, the institution of marriage and his formerly depressed ex-wife.

Voter's have the right to know what kind of decision process Kerry goes through before making such important moves. And the media organizations that are now planning on suing for access to the sealed documents will make "the public's right to know" the foremost argument in the strategy to get the records open.

Kerry will try to fight it, but the decision to open them is pretty much a foregone conclusion – I mean, after all, "The public has the right to know ..."


Kevin McCullough is heard daily from 1 to 4 p.m. EST in New York City on AM 570 WMCA, and in New Jersey on AM 970 WWDJ. Additionally, you can read his daily postings at The KMC Blog. For information on how to bring "The Kevin McCullough Show" to a station near you, call Dave Armstrong at 201-298-5700.



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KEYWORDS: divorcerecords; juliathorne; kerry
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1 posted on 07/02/2004 12:30:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Woohoo! Bring out the dirty laundry! :)

LBT

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2 posted on 07/02/2004 12:39:27 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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John F'n has many skeletons in his closet, but the lieberals just look the other way. His big tour of duty in Nam with all his unearned medals...his behavior after the war...attending an assassination meeting...the list goes on.
If there's anything damaging in his divorce papers, he'll remain unscathed. He's a Teflon creep.


3 posted on 07/02/2004 12:41:41 AM PDT by Jenya (Gore, he's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody)
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To: LiberalBassTurds

bump!


4 posted on 07/02/2004 12:44:43 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

But .. what if Kerry unseals them and just produces copies ..?? How will we know if all the pages are there, or if any of the info has been altered ..??


5 posted on 07/02/2004 12:45:48 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: Jenya
His big tour of duty in Nam with all his unearned medals

Pardon me, but . . . Kerry served in Nam? Has he ever mentioned this?

/sarcasm.

6 posted on 07/02/2004 12:47:26 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: CyberAnt

Good question.


7 posted on 07/02/2004 12:49:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Can't wait. I know that the liberals won't care what's in the records, I mean, look what Clinton did and they didn't care, but it may sway the undecided vote, knowwhatimean?


8 posted on 07/02/2004 12:58:39 AM PDT by garylmoore (Looking forward to the day when I can chat with Him.)
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To: JohnHuang2
When someone actively seeks a public trust they can have no privacy. For how else can the public judge their fitness for that trust if not through their private dealings?
9 posted on 07/02/2004 12:59:47 AM PDT by fella
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To: garylmoore

Don't get too excited. I've read that the only thing that is sealed are the financial settlement between Kerry and his first wife. Massachusetts had "no-fault" divorce even then and and those papers are not sealed because they only say that the "marriage had fallen apart due to irreconcilable differences."


10 posted on 07/02/2004 1:06:02 AM PDT by DJtex
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To: JohnHuang2

They could ask the same judge to unseal his records, and the judge would say "no". Rats are above the law.


11 posted on 07/02/2004 1:06:39 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: JohnHuang2; All

More Interesting historical news about kerry:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts


Some of kerry's friends listed below:

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.dsausa.org/

DSA's "Progressive Caucas" Links below:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

The Enemy Within!!!!


12 posted on 07/02/2004 1:08:45 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: LiberalBassTurds

It's a mistake to focus on that instead of what a wacked-out, unpredictable, self-serving, lying, tax-raising, baby-killing liberal he is.


13 posted on 07/02/2004 1:13:59 AM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts our national defense.)
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To: JohnHuang2
I can imagine Kerry bunkered down in his posh $9.18 million Nantucket vacation home with news vans and satellite up-link dishes stacked like cord wood up and down his block. All will be waiting for his reaction to the revealed divorce papers. I can imagine the circus atmosphere, the bizarre T shirts, and the questions from Greta Susteren, Cathrine Crier, and Dan Abrams. This is exactly what John Kerry needs to put him back on the front page and on the top of the news. The Democrats are only praying that it will reveal some really juicy kinky sex. Sex sells.
14 posted on 07/02/2004 1:23:15 AM PDT by jonrick46 (jonrick46)
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To: JohnHuang2

What's in it is highly unlikely to hurt him. Remember the bimbo eruption in the spring? Democrats forgive and forget about their candidate's less than ideal sex life. Besides, anything really salacious can only boost his stock in the Party Of Clinton.


15 posted on 07/02/2004 1:59:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I'd have to agree. For a party that stood up for Gary Condidit and King Bubba to have any qualms about a bad marriage is like hoping that the tooth fairy will leave an Andy Jackson under your pillow. Character doesn't count with RATS.


16 posted on 07/02/2004 2:15:20 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (For a conservative, it's morning in America. For a RAT, it's five minutes to midnight.)
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To: JohnHuang2

He's going to blame all of his problems on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from his time Viet Nam, call them medical records and we won't be able to see them under HIPPA.


17 posted on 07/02/2004 3:26:31 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Unfortunately, this could all be part of a plan. (no tinfoil here, just a "who knows?"...)

With the recent speculation that (shudder) Hillary may be added to the ticket as the presumptive veep nominee, it would not surprise me to see Kerry step (or be shoved) aside when democrats inexplicably & suddenly find their morals and sense of outrage at something discovered in the until-now sealed documents. With time running out, they'd have to come up with a replacement candidate right-quick, and who "better" than (shudder again) Hillary? The media would be orgasmic for weeks, shunting aside any desperate 11th hour attempts to expose her for what she really is.

Ewwwwww... EXPOSE Hillary??? My eyes, my eyes!!! Oh, the humanity...

18 posted on 07/02/2004 3:41:11 AM PDT by DJ Frisat
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To: JohnHuang2
Personally, I don't think running on Kerry's divorce records is a good idea, but the precedent has been set in the Ryan case. The Dems and the Press have made this kind of thing fair game-- to back off now would only prove that they're only interested in 'getting' Republicans (but when did that change?).

Personally, I think we have enough proof that Kerry's a selfish scumbag.

19 posted on 07/02/2004 4:06:11 AM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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To: Jenya
He's a Teflon creep.

I beg to differ. Everything that has been thrown at him has stuck, not slid off his non-stick exterior. The Dems do not care, though. He could be covered with so much smelly particulate that you couldn't touch him without gloves, and a large portion of the Dems would pinch their noses shut and still hold him as their savior.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the Dems are putting Kerry up as their best hope, even if he is covered in some much excrement. The media looks away, while manufacturing bad news against the Bush administration and the US. Hollywood continues to turn out crap, and embrace that fat slob Moore, despite all indications that the public wants better. A large portion of blacks sit in their plantation shacks, with broken families and illiterate children, and bow to the masters at the DNC, while the house slaves like Jackson and Sharpton live in luxury.

They are all so hungry for the power that being on top gives them that they do not care about anything other than "He's not Bush".

20 posted on 07/02/2004 4:06:57 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: JohnHuang2
The one thing kerry doesn't want exposed is the amount of money he made his first wife give HIM.

My guess is that he never supported her or his children when they divorced.

21 posted on 07/02/2004 4:16:45 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: CyberAnt

Kerry is not going to unseal them. Someone is going to have to force them into the open. I can't see a judge doing it either. The most likely way it would happen is if an employee of the court sold them to the media under the table.


22 posted on 07/02/2004 4:48:45 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Turbo Pig

You are right on all but one point. DemoncRATs wouldn't have to hold their noses. They love manure -- it's their natural habitat.


23 posted on 07/02/2004 4:56:10 AM PDT by twntaipan (demoncRATs ARE the friends of our enemies. Do YOU get the implication?)
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To: atomicpossum

I agree. The Ryan case should not have happened, it was wrong to open those files. And it is wrong to open Kerry's. It is none of our business. And I do believe this reflects badly on anyone who tries to open them. It is a loser to pursue this.


24 posted on 07/02/2004 5:04:41 AM PDT by cajungirl (<i>swing low, sweet limousine, comin' fer to Kerry me hoooommmee</i>)
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25 posted on 07/02/2004 5:49:07 AM PDT by devolve (---------------- [--------------Hello from Sunny South Florida-------------)
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To: JohnHuang2

Those records will never see the light of day. The MA courts will never release records that might embarrass a liberal politician, particularly one of their Senators. Remember that the official records of Ted Kennedy's little swim are still sealed.


26 posted on 07/02/2004 10:00:59 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Make love, not war. Get married, do both.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Although I think it stinks to make anyone's divorce files public, since the Dems have played that card already, we might as well do it too.


27 posted on 07/02/2004 10:02:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: DJtex

My guess is that Kerry got a settlement from his wife instead of the other way around. In other words, he took money from her and then had the marriage annulled after he found a new source of funds.


28 posted on 07/02/2004 10:09:18 AM PDT by Eva
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To: LiberalBassTurds

This stinks as much as the whoe Jack Ryan thing. This is bad.


29 posted on 07/02/2004 10:10:26 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: JohnHuang2
" bizarre state of illegitimacy."

Is that 'bastardy?'

As in Je$$e Jaxson's life story???

30 posted on 07/02/2004 10:15:49 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: jonrick46
..praying that it will reveal some really juicy kinky sex.

from john kerry?

31 posted on 07/02/2004 10:16:17 AM PDT by SGCOS
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To: JohnHuang2
What kind of man leaves his wife, but especially when she is in the midst of suicidal depression?

The author obviously has no idea what it is like to be married to someone who suffers from severe depression.

with Thorne in the depths of a severe depression and on the brink of suicide, which she blamed on her husband's cold and distant nature, his long absences and his fierce ambition (which she was bankrolling).

Also, it is typical for someone in depression to blame others for their situation.

Severe depression is a terrible thing to live through, whether you are the person experiencing it, or a loved one of the sufferer. Oftentimes it can be the result of a chemical imbalance, and not due to psychological or relationship issues. If the source were psychological, it is just as plausible that it was due to unresolved childhood issues as it was due to the marital relationship. It is unreasonable to blame this all on the husband, even if it is John Kerry.

He pushed ahead for the annulment even though it technically threw his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

Nonsense. The Catholic church does not consider the children of annulled marriages to be in any way illegitimate.

Kerry has enough flaws as a candidate without needing to resort to psychoanalyzing the dynamics of a 20 year old failed marriage.

32 posted on 07/02/2004 10:30:56 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Jenya
His big tour of duty in Nam with all his unearned medals...his behavior after the war...attending an assassination meeting...the list goes on.

Matters involving his public live are relevant. His personal life is not. Neither were they relevant in the case of Jack Ryan. Divorce records can be as rife with undocumented and false allegations as raw FBI files.

33 posted on 07/02/2004 10:32:45 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: fella
For how else can the public judge their fitness for that trust if not through their private dealings?

How about by their public actions?

When you start digging into their private relationships, you aren't just dealing with the candidate anymore, but also with members of his family, who are not running for public office.

34 posted on 07/02/2004 10:35:25 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: cajungirl
The Ryan case should not have happened, it was wrong to open those files. And it is wrong to open Kerry's. It is none of our business. And I do believe this reflects badly on anyone who tries to open them. It is a loser to pursue this.

Amen!

35 posted on 07/02/2004 10:36:54 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Liberals really did a number on Jack Ryan I think conservatives are sick and tired of the double-standards and hypocrisy, hence the calls for Kerry to unseal his divorce records.


36 posted on 07/02/2004 10:37:57 AM PDT by ServesURight
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To: JohnHuang2

After they come out, and he steps down, will he return the money like Ryan did in IL ?


37 posted on 07/02/2004 10:39:24 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: ServesURight

Jack Ryan did a number on Jack Ryan. And if Kerry's got any dirty laundry, it's Kerry's fault.


38 posted on 07/02/2004 10:40:59 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ServesURight
Liberals really did a number on Jack Ryan I think conservatives are sick and tired of the double-standards and hypocrisy, hence the calls for Kerry to unseal his divorce records.

I understand it. I find it wrong in both cases.

39 posted on 07/02/2004 10:41:21 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: JohnHuang2

This pales in comparision to what full disclosure of the Kerry / Heintz tax returns will show.

But it will be a fun diversion til then....


40 posted on 07/02/2004 10:42:34 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: ServesURight

agreed... but the mainstream media will paint this all as unfair tactics by the Republicans... That is how they will spin it... and spin it they will... And they will not mention Ryan.


41 posted on 07/02/2004 10:48:48 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit (music, music and more music)
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To: JohnHuang2

I personally think these should remain sealed. I just don't think personal relationships, unless it points to some illegality, should be a part of any political campaign. It was wrong in the Ryan case and it is wrong for Kerry. If the morality, or lack therefore, of this move isn't enough, then the pragmatics don't make sense either. It will not convince anyone who wants Kerry to defeat Pres. Bush. It may strengthen us Bush supporters, but we're the choir anyway. We know he has no character. It may convince some swing voters that we're just nasty--these are people who probably never heard of Ryan, but will hear of this because the national media will jump all over it. Keep the documents sealed.


42 posted on 07/02/2004 10:53:56 AM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs

Okay, if the character questions don't bug you, how about security considerations? To my mind, any candidate with something to hide is a national security risk.


43 posted on 07/02/2004 10:55:41 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla

The character issues DO bother me. But whatever I need to know about that is already out there. I find it plenty troublesome that he left a depressed wife and that he has a history of marrying for money. I don't need the unsealing of these documents to know that though. Everyone has personal issues that they don't want to divulge in a public campaign. So I guess everyone with a personal life is a national security risk? So if Pres. Bush's DUI had not been revealed he would have been a nat. sec. risk? I think some things DO constitute that--but not personal divorce papers. If there is something in personal issues that rise to the level of illegality, then I agree with you.


44 posted on 07/02/2004 11:08:31 AM PDT by twigs
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To: mewzilla
Jack Ryan did a number on Jack Ryan.

These were sealed divorce papers forced open by a partisan, rabid liberal media and an activist judge. None of their business concerning the details of Ryan's divorce.

Just like these same people forced open GWB's 1976 drunk-driving conviction that was SEALED also.

45 posted on 07/02/2004 11:09:24 AM PDT by ServesURight
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To: ServesURight; twigs

I still want to know. I'll vote for a person with good character and policies I disgree with before I'll vote for a degenerate who shares my political views.


46 posted on 07/02/2004 11:11:39 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: JohnHuang2

Democrats don't care. Kerry can commit adultery, sexual assault, and perjury and they will still vote for him in a general election. This is only an issue with Americans of Conscience, almost all of whom are voting for President Bush anyway.


47 posted on 07/02/2004 11:15:19 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: mewzilla
I'll vote for a person with good character and policies I disgree with before I'll vote for a degenerate who shares my political views.

So will I. But I already know that Kerry comes nowhere near my standard of character for a political figure. I don't need the unsealing of these records to figure it out.

48 posted on 07/02/2004 11:18:51 AM PDT by twigs
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To: JohnHuang2
Personally, I don't thinks it's proper to open up sealed divorce files, especially if doing so will injure children, but it is fair that if they force open the Ryan files then the Kerry files should be fair game as well.
49 posted on 07/02/2004 11:20:17 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Evil doesn't want to leave you alone. It wants to draw you in and force you into complicity. - Keyes)
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To: twigs
I don't need the unsealing of these records to figure it out.

Other people might, however. I'm a good case in point. Back when I still drinking the kool-aid, I voted for Bubba twice. Since '98 I've been voting Republican and Right to Life. If I'd known then what I know now, I'd've never voted for Bubba. Information matters.

50 posted on 07/02/2004 11:21:39 AM PDT by mewzilla
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