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The Oldest Americans May Prove Even Older
New York Times ^ | 6/29/04 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 06/29/2004 4:20:56 PM PDT by NukeMan

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To: blam

There's a lot of old stuff along the Adriatic. Looks like a lot of that was dry land back then. That probably flooded real good and there might be villages under the water there, too.


21 posted on 06/29/2004 5:29:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale
"There's a lot of old stuff along the Adriatic. Looks like a lot of that was dry land back then. That probably flooded real good and there might be villages under the water there, too."

Yup. The Adriatic may have dried up too. When Ryan & Pittman had the idea of looking for oceans that may have dried up during the Ice Age, they considered a number of places before settling on the Black Sea, which has proved to be correct. Probably a number of similar situations...for sure, the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf was completely dry.

22 posted on 06/29/2004 5:41:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: LadyX

Hey Maggie, over here, in case you haven't seen this.


23 posted on 06/29/2004 7:01:25 PM PDT by WVNan (Be faithful in little things, for in them our strength lies. (Mother Teresa))
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To: Russian Sage; NukeMan; Laurence of the Rats; WVNan; deadhead; The Mayor; Aquamarine; dixie sass; ...
Thanks for bringing me here, Nan!

L of the R, thank you for printing out the whole article.
I happen to have led a nomadic life, ranging from my native Florida and the Keys to above the Arctic Circle in Alaska (lived in Fairbanks 3 1/2 years BP - Before the Pipeline), and retired 9 years ago to Barnwell, SC.
It is a charming, clean, very conservative and patriotic God-Honor-Country town - and where my grandfather pastored a church in the 1920's.

This find is located just a few miles west of me.
Wonder if our weekly paper due out tomorrow will mention this!
We are in the county seat for the Savannah River Site, and benefit from the taxes generated.

We had numerous Indian mounds in Florida (one on our property), and South Indian Field with many important finds was located on the St. Johns River 5 miles west of me there.

Nan, I guess you and I are not older than dirt after all..:))

NukeMan and L of the R, Aiken is indeed a lovely town, and has grown beyond belief in the past 5 years!!
As you know, they have many fine horses there, and one finished fourth in the Kentucky Derby in May.

24 posted on 06/29/2004 8:35:20 PM PDT by LadyX (((( To God be all honor and glory -- ))))
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To: alloysteel

Seafarers, perhaps, most likely from northwestern Europe. We know well that there were people living along the coastlines; we have cave paintings of marine animals in France and Spain. And the people could well have built skin boats and "island-hopped" along the shore (now the bottom of the Atlantic continental shelf 200-300 feet below sea level). About 50-60,000 years ago, people crossed at least 90 miles of deep ocean from Sunda (modern-day Indonesia) to get to Sahul (present-day Australia and New Guinea.)

One wonders about the discovery of haplogroup X (a European/Middle Eastern genetic trait, absent in most Siberian populations) in precolumbian Indians, and the similarities between the technology and material culture of Clovis and the Solutrian culture of Atlantic Europe at about this time.

The flood stories do seem to reflect time periods postdating the Ice Age. Some flood stories in SE Asia may reflect what happened to Sunda; the Black Sea flood is probably reflected in Greek myth (the Deukalion legend) and in Sumerian and Semitic legends (Gilgamesh and Noah, respectively). The Black Sea flood occurred several thousand years after the end of the Pleistocene (5600 BC versus 9000 BC) but resulted from rising sea levels after the collapse of the Laurentide Ice Sheet in the North Atlantic. The Black Sea, between the end of the Pleistocene and 5600 BC, had been a lake, and was probably a center for Neolithic communities.

BTW, the Mediterranean originated about 5 million years ago, long before any humans existed.

As for multiple migrations to the Americas, that makes sense, based on the skeletons (Eurasian types at Kennewick and Spirit Cave, Australoids in Brazil at Lapa Vermelha). Genetic evidence is tougher, though.


25 posted on 06/29/2004 9:43:15 PM PDT by monkeyman81
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"Australoids in Brazil at Lapa Vermelha). "

Ancient Hearths To Test Carbon Dating (Humans In Brazil 56K+ Years Ago)

"Out of seven Pedra Furada charcoal samples scientists took from the hearth structures in the deepest layers, five were beyond the limit of the ABOX technique itself, returning ages greater than 56,000 years, the report said. Analysis of the final two samples gave finite ages of 53,000 and 55,000 years."


26 posted on 06/29/2004 10:16:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Hey girl! There are several sites in the area. One is about five miles from here at Fort Dorchester - an extinct town. There is also one, I believe at Edisto. The information that is coming out is amazing - it is changing all preconcieved ideas.

Melungeons, Red Bones, and another group are supposed to be or rather thought to be descended from Portugese sailors that were stranded here in SC close to Hilton Head.

The Mayans had a legend/story that a white man would RETURN to their shores. This was why they excepted the spaniard so readily.

Bits and pieces of information read and digested are popping into my mind. Quess I'll be doing more searching today to tie them together.


27 posted on 06/30/2004 4:30:43 AM PDT by dixie sass ( Claws are sharp and ready for use!)
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To: dixie sass

Thank you for the info, Miss Dixie! Good running into you again - I hope everything's going well with you. :)


28 posted on 06/30/2004 8:24:13 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! -- RIP, President Reagan)
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To: alloysteel
A vast global warming was ostensibly given as the reason for the sea waters rising some hundreds of feet or so.

Impossible! Only Republicans and SUV's cause global warming!

Seriously, there was a vast global warming, over many tens of thousands of years; it was the end of the ice age. Old news.

29 posted on 06/30/2004 8:38:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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30 posted on 09/14/2005 11:19:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: saquin

Shhh...no one was supposed to know: I'm much older than I look.

:9p


31 posted on 01/08/2006 12:53:15 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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this appears to be the oldest FR topic about Al Goodyear:

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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b11003848e1.htm


32 posted on 08/11/2006 9:13:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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