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Scientist Sees Space Elevator in 15 Years
Science - AP ^ | 2004-06-25 | CARL HARTMAN

Posted on 06/25/2004 2:21:35 PM PDT by Junior

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1 posted on 06/25/2004 2:21:36 PM PDT by Junior
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; Ichneumon

If only this were going to happen.


2 posted on 06/25/2004 2:22:22 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

This sounds suspiciously like a perpetual motion scam.


3 posted on 06/25/2004 2:23:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Junior
The ride down will be quite a thrill...


4 posted on 06/25/2004 2:24:43 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: Junior
Edwards said he probably needs about two more years of development on the carbon nanotubes to obtain the strength needed.

In other words, nothing we can currently build is strong enough.

5 posted on 06/25/2004 2:24:59 PM PDT by jdege
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..

Science list ping (a subset of the evolution list). FReepmail me to be added or dropped.


6 posted on 06/25/2004 2:26:11 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The science is sound and has been talked about by engineers and technologists for the last couple of decades. Unfortunately, I don't see anything coming from this because of politics (it can't be built in anyone's district).


7 posted on 06/25/2004 2:27:30 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior

I just want my hydrogen powered car, the one every president promises.


8 posted on 06/25/2004 2:27:47 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Junior
It'll happen one day, but not a chance in hell that it will happen in fifteen years.

Fifty, maybe.

Probably a hundred.

9 posted on 06/25/2004 2:28:04 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: jdege

No, there already are carbon nanotubes used in current commercial applications (some are already in plastic car bumpers) it's just a matter of improving an existing technology, not inventing a new one.


10 posted on 06/25/2004 2:28:25 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Junior

what happens if the cable is cut four feet above the ground? does it come crashing down to earth? does it fly off into space?


11 posted on 06/25/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by el_chupacabra (I'm glad you were born.)
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To: jdege
I keep hearing about carbon nanotubes as being the strongest thing since Mikey Moore's body oder.

Ain't seen a darn thing made out of carbon nanotubes yet.

12 posted on 06/25/2004 2:29:28 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Junior

Price at $10 billion - LOL.

According to the latest issue of Discover (which does a piece on the space elevator)...

"The space shuttle, to name one example, was originally projected to cost $5.5 million per launch; the actual cost is more than 70 times as much. The International Space Station's cost may turn out to be 10 times its original $8 billion estimate."

So - while I support research of this area, I can only imagine that $10 billion has been grossly *misunderestimated*!


13 posted on 06/25/2004 2:29:49 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Strategerist

Carbon fiber is not carbon nanotube.


14 posted on 06/25/2004 2:29:56 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Junior
If only this were going to happen.

It won't, because it can't.

I've read miles of this stuff, and there's one factor that no one has taken into account, and it's a killer.

They can't build a space elevator, because it will be ripped apart by the torsional stress from the tidal forces.

For giggles, let's assume they somehow manage to hang one of these suckers into the sky, and, they somehow manage to stick an "elevator cab" on the top of it. (OK, not the "top" top, but the geo-sync altitude "top" portion.)

What happens when they lower the cab?

Picture an ice skater, spinning on one toe, arms spread out.

Then imagine the ice skater pulling in her arms.

Now picture that ice skater being 40 thousand miles tall. :)

The horizontal velocity of that cab -- at geo-sync altitude -- will be staggering, and even though it's "undetectable" at altitude, when you lower the cab, it will be like trying to contain a cannonball with a spiderweb.

15 posted on 06/25/2004 2:31:31 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: el_chupacabra

My question is Why? Why would I want to go 22,500 miles on a friggin' elevator? And that's just to get TO space. And this bit about counting on Solar to power the thing? How much power do they count on it taking to power 13 tons 20, 000 miles? I've heard of this before, I think it is a scam.


16 posted on 06/25/2004 2:31:52 PM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: jdege
In other words, nothing we can currently build is strong enough.

Nothing can be strong enough, period.

It's like trying to bring the Moon close to the Earth. You can't. It'll break up due to the Roche Limit. You can't break the laws of nature.

The tidal force will destroy a space elevator -- even if you can erect it -- as soon as you try to use it.

17 posted on 06/25/2004 2:33:41 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Junior
He's head of the space elevator project at the Institute for Scientific Research in Fairmont, W.Va.

I grew older in Fairmont from 1950 to 1959 when I escaped; the only thing notable about that place was crooked politicians and hotdog joints.

18 posted on 06/25/2004 2:33:50 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Carbon fiber is not carbon nanotube.

Indeed. Toyota is using carbon nanotubes in car bumpers and door panels.

19 posted on 06/25/2004 2:34:03 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Junior
The science is sound

Only the orbital science.

20 posted on 06/25/2004 2:34:21 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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