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US students think British are 'the pale people in the rain'
The Daily Telegraph ^ | June 19, 2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:08 PM PDT by MadIvan

Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business, a "disturbing" new survey suggests.

The survey, entitled "Pale People in the Rain" and commissioned by the British Council, found that young, high-achieving students placed Britain far down their list of places to study abroad. They called British universities strict, expensive, hard to enter and "mainly for the upper classes".

For most subjects, they thought staying in the US was the best choice. For computing or high technology, almost three quarters said Japan was the cutting edge. Students interviewed in separate focus groups were uniformly unable to name a single recent British scientific or technical achievement.

For art and design, two thirds made France their preferred destination. Only in the humanities, especially history and literature, did Britain come top as a place to study.

London was judged a "fun" place to study by 90 per cent of students and England had a positive rating as a country. Yet - asked to choose one country to visit - only six per cent chose England. The most popular were France and Italy.

More than 60 per cent of the students said Britain was too cold and rainy for them to want to study there. Fewer than half believed Britain was aptly described as "modern and contemporary", while fewer than one third strongly believed Britain was a "technology leader".

Maureen Michaels, whose New York-based firm conducted the poll, said: "If Britain was a business client of mine, I'd tell them, 'You are not a top choice, in any shape or form'."

The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements. It was designed to focus on the fastest growing segments of the US population - Latino, Asian American and blacks. All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time.

The British Council expressed concern that only one third of minority students thought Britain could be described as "diverse".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; students; us
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A silly survey. And these students obviously have never heard of Tim Berners Lee.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:08 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Denver Ditdat; Judith Anne; Desdemona; alnick; knews_hound; faithincowboys; hillary's_fat_a**; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/18/2004 4:51:43 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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"All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time."

Glad to hear that California is booming.

3 posted on 06/18/2004 4:54:11 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: MadIvan

...When I was back in school, I skipped class whenever I could. They always caught me, in the library. Reading...


4 posted on 06/18/2004 4:57:57 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: MadIvan
And these students obviously have never heard of Tim Berners Lee

Oh, I've heard of him! He's that guy who thinks he's Al Gore, right?

5 posted on 06/18/2004 4:59:30 PM PDT by rogue yam
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More than 60 per cent of the students said Britain was too cold and rainy for them to want to study there.

I don't know what cold and rain has to do with studying, but it's hard to argue that Britain can be cold and rainy. I have friends who moved to the south of France for that very reason.

6 posted on 06/18/2004 5:11:07 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: MadIvan
Pale People in the Rain

Gee, why I am not surprised to read that this survey was given to the "diversity crowd." Could you imagine if white students complained about a country being "too brown"?

7 posted on 06/18/2004 5:13:28 PM PDT by John Thornton
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The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements.

Dumbed down education, grade inflation, or both?

The British Council expressed concern that only one third of minority students thought Britain could be described as "diverse".

The other two-thirds thought that "diverse" was somethng poets wrote.

8 posted on 06/18/2004 5:16:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: MadIvan

Don't for get the teeth.
Oh, God. Those teeth.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 5:18:53 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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Oh, God. Those teeth.

A myth, I assure you. Mike Myers has not done Britain any favours.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 06/18/2004 5:21:22 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

But Britain is cold and rainy. lol


11 posted on 06/18/2004 5:21:46 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: MadIvan

Not a myth. I assure you.


12 posted on 06/18/2004 5:22:28 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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Actually not as cold and rainy as I would like it, these days.

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 06/18/2004 5:22:37 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business, a "disturbing" new survey suggests.

Oh I don't know, a country that gave us Thomas Paine and the Beatles can't be all that bad.

14 posted on 06/18/2004 5:24:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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The survey questioned some 2,000 ethnic minority students with A or B grade averages and extensive extra-curricular achievements. It was designed to focus on the fastest growing segments of the US population - Latino, Asian American and blacks. All live in Texas and California, booming states set to dominate the "new America" of a few years' time.

Seems like an odd group to sample and an odd perception of the US.

15 posted on 06/18/2004 5:26:10 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: MadIvan
A myth, I assure you.

I dunno:


16 posted on 06/18/2004 5:32:12 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to let anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: MadIvan

If England is this great technological leader, why don't they have decent special effects on Doctor Who?


17 posted on 06/18/2004 5:32:39 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Sir Gawain

Most of Britain isn't that cold, certainly not more so than Juneau or Seattle or Portland. In winter, most of Britain is far milder than Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, or the interior Northeast.


18 posted on 06/18/2004 5:35:12 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: MadIvan

I visited England, France and Italy last year. If I had my choice, it would be tough call between England and France. I would have to pick England. I felt the most comfortable there,and people very friendly. The rain didn't bother me, and I was suprised I could actually time the periods between rainfalls *LOL*


19 posted on 06/18/2004 5:35:41 PM PDT by cyborg
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"Tomorrow's American leaders think Britain is arrogant, cold, rainy, and far from the cutting edge in science, culture or business"

More like Cold, Damp and Sarcastic.

20 posted on 06/18/2004 5:40:22 PM PDT by spokeshave (strategery + schadenfreude = stratenschadenfreudery)
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