Posted on 06/13/2004 10:40:48 AM PDT by UKIP
Uh...The French?
Won't be much of a fight.
I guess the grape fields will be used to raise goats...and raise whatever the hell falafel is made out of.
I just hope the French scuttle whatever fishing fleet they have before they retreat to Algeria.
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Who do you think they're going to call upon to help them ..??
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Who do you think they will call to help them ..??
I would appreciate it, if people like yourself would stop candy coating the French.
Put France on the list of "high incidents of oppression" and give the French Jews priority in the immigration process to America.
The number of Jews deported by the Nazis in 1940 numbered over 90,000. This did not represent all the Jews in France. In 1945, over 180,000 French Jews had survived the war. Between 1945-51, many displaced persons arrived resulting in an estimated Jewish population of about 250,000. The balance of the Jewish population grew to its size primarily due to natural growth and to emmigration of North African and Algerian Jews to escape Muslim oppression after the war.
This does not sound at all like Jews "flocked" to France to be in a "fairly good country". As a matter of fact, French Jew hatred spans a milennia and is documented very well.
But, it was a nice try Hermann.
LOL! Yeah, can't you just see it? Chirac or his successor is begging for our help and we of course come to their aid, again. This world cracks me up.
Monsieur! I have never candy coated even one Frog!
COOL how about NYC or Los Angeles
LA is my hood I rather live next door to nice French jewish couple than Muslum terrorist LOL!
It's hard to explain. I wish I could answer it. BTW, the SNL skit is hilarious. FReepmail me if you'd like to see it.
I understand that the vast majority of Jews deported from France by the Vichy regime were actually refugees from various countries (mostly Poland), as opposed to long time residents of France. This was as I understand used as the main excuse to create a fig-leaf of legality.
As to numbers, my 1909 Encyclopedia Britannica notes 49,000 French Jews outside Alsace-Lorraine in 1872, and 159,000 including those provinces. In 1933, with Alsace-Lorraine returned (and various population shuffles in that territory undergone after 1918), there were 150,000 Jews in France according to my "Grosser Atlas von Weltgeschichte" and various other sources seem to agree on this number (except Gilbert, who puts it at 225,000). These same sources seem to agree on 300,000 to 320,000 as the population in 1940 Various numbers exist for the number of deaths subsequent to deportation to Auschwitz, anywhere from 65,000 to 83,000 (you'd think they could be a little more precise on this), and 180,000 to 200,000 as the 1945 population, with that increasing to 235,000-250,000 in 1951.
As noted the population is now triple the post-war figure and double the 1951 figure.
During the same period of time, the population of France as a whole has only increased about 14% from 42 million in France and 2 million in Algeria and Tunisia to around 50 millions today, excluding Muslims. Its difficult to believe the French Jewish population increased naturally by a vastly different amount. Clearly, the vast majority of Jews in France are there because they or their parents chose to move there since 1945. France was hardly their only choice either, since they could have also gone to the US or Israel or Britain or any number of other countries.
Its difficult to see a tripling of a sub-population while the general population increases under 15% is anything but a "flocking" of outsiders to a tolerant, peaceful, and profitable locale, where people though they could live without fear and with opportunity.
Could be translated as "an ill wind etc" or as "history repeats itself". Not sure which you mean but either way let's hope we've learned from our past mistakes.
Typical of the French. They admit to 180 cases documented so far this year...and completely forget to mention several stabbing/throat cutting murders when the perpetrators shouted allahu akhbar...and the one who said "I have killed my first jew, now I will go to paradise."
The french have buried the murder of jews by muslims in their crime statistics - just as they have buried the numerous pack-rapes of christian girls by muslim gangs.
Mark Steyn: http://jewishworldreview.com/0802/steyn1asp
Daniel Pipes: http://danielpipes.org/article/450
Time Magazine:http://time.com/time/europe/magazine/2002/1202/crime/bellil.htm
"It's the usual tactic... As soon as someone says anything even remotely negative towards Jews, you're labeled anti-semetic - either directly or implied, as you saw there...
Count me as a supporter of Israel, but NOT a blind supporter."
I'm also from NYC and agree with you. We are inundated with leftie Jews and many throwbacks from the old reds (very different from the Connecticut Jews who are staunce Americans). Then there are the Noam Chomsky's, who's site is devoured by the lefties - especially college students - and regurgated on forums all over the world - makes it all the more difficult to debate. I also support Israel - (not blindly either) not in the bibical sense - mainly because I don't want a Holocaust II.
Let's hope our speech is never gets stifled. BTW, I wonder where the post in question went to - it's not there anymore.
Link.
It was only through a couple of our senators that the statistics came to the fore in the first place. I forget the name of the senators but they wrote to the French demanding that they release the information to the public.
Well...
One can quibble about terminology about how the numbers are arrived at, but many of the thousands of Jews who found themselves in France were using it as a "transit-point", not intending to stay. This combined with the US limiting immigration severly, forced Jews who were fleeing numerous tyranies to descend upon France. In between world wars I and II, Jews emigrated to avoid various progroms, attacks, hatreds and other assorted European horrors. This is hardly the flocking of Jews to a peaceful and tolerant society, but rather choosing the lesser of evils.
With the storm clouds of Hitler, the brutality of Stalin, and the crushing poverty (and Islamic hatreds) of the North Africans upon their necks, the age old hatreds of the French seemed paltry in exchange. Besides, America had closed its doors and there was no way to escape. So, yes in the turmoil of Europe of the 1920's and 30's, France was a destination for many Jews (to their cost.
However, considering the pre war Jewish populations of Germany, Russia, and Poland, the post war "thousands" that came to France were just that; thousands. In addition to that, considering the millions that ran to Israel from Europe and Arab countries after the war, the population of France (using your numbers) is hardly indicative of "flocking". France was one of a few western countries that allowed them in. Now the French, it seems, are very sorry they did and are doing their best to correct their "mistake".
How did the encyclopedias and almanacs arrive at these figures? Did the census forms contain a checkbox for religious affiliation? Did they go from door to door noting the presence of a mezuzah? Or did they knock on the door and say, "Pardonnez-moi, monsieur, etes-vous Juif ou Français?"
In other words, Hermann the Jew-Chaser, citizens of France who followed the Mosaic faith, CONSIDERED THEMSELVES FRENCH and would have said so on any survey or census form.
Certain people like to "quote" census figures from unavailable sources in order to make certain claims about the "actual" number of Holocaust victims.
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