Hanging out the Troops (Hackworth Fails to Mention 17 Senators)

David Hackworth ^ | May 10, 2004 | David HAckworth

[Republican Red]

As an American citizen, I’m ashamed of the atrocities committed by Americans in Iraq. As a former professional soldier, I’m appalled not only by what has happened in the prisons there, but also by our military leadership. From the very top of the Pentagon down to the 320th Military Police Battalion, the brass have spent months covering up obscene behavior while placing the sole blame on Joe and Jill Grunt.

The damage to our country and our just war on terrorism is already devastating. And these war crimes not only diminish the sacrifices of our gallant soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, they place the troops at even greater risk. But I’m certain that these abhorrent acts wouldn’t have occurred had the right kind of leadership been exercised by the chain of command.

In 1951 in Korea, I was told by my commanding officer to kill four POWs and refused his direct order. I well remembered the Nazi generals’ sorry rationale for their despicable conduct: “We were just following orders.” I would get booted out of the Army before I went that route.

In 1965 in Vietnam, I saw a very connected intelligence captain torturing a POW with a field-telephone wire attached to his testicles and decided my personal belief system outweighed his father’s four stars. When I told him I’d shoot him if he didn’t cease and desist, the atrocity came to a screeching halt.

On both occasions, I knew I had the moral right. I’d been taught from the first day I put on a U.S. Army uniform that American soldiers don’t follow unlawful orders and that it was my duty to stop or report an illegal act. I also believed strongly that when dealing with POWs, “There but for the grace of God go I.”

The vast majority of our regular soldiers today are likewise well-trained, well-disciplined and have similar values. And they’ve conducted themselves during the occupation of Iraq in a manner that aptly reflects what America is all about.

But, unfortunately, this is not always the case with many Army Reserve and National Guard units that have been deployed overseas since 9/11. In fact, I’ve worn out several drums beating the readiness issue during face-to-face meetings with the top brass. As far back as 1989, I warned Secretary of the Army Mike Stone about the generally sad shape of our Reserve and Guard components. But while he listened up, little was done to correct the systemic problems.

And now, because Mr. Rumsfeld and too many of his generals are into a fast-fix mode, the Pentagon has been dispatching Reserve and Guard units to combat zones even when they aren’t good to go. For example, I know of two enhanced infantry brigades that were rated as not combat-ready by Training Center commanders but were still sent to Iraq because boots were needed on the ground.

Retired Master Sgt. William Lawson, who brought the atrocity story to SFTT.org, says the 800th Military Police Brigade is a prime example: “My nephew Chip, who’s been charged with war crimes, wasn’t trained to be a prison guard. He was a part-time soldier marginally trained for even conventional military police (MP) work. But Chip was such a good soldier that he was selected to escort Gen. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Staff, when Chip was guarding the vice president right after 9/11. Myers gave him both great reviews and his personal coin.”

“The bedrock truth about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison is that they were so easily preventable,” adds SFTT (Soldiers for the Truth) Vice President Roger Charles, who researched this story for CBS News. “But that prevention required a recognition that the top people in the 800th were ill-prepared, incompetent and uncaring. The evidence clearly shows that the Department of the Army mafia was more concerned about protecting the image of the brigade commanding general, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, than holding her and her officers accountable for the terrible situation, which they allowed to fester for months.”

Speaking of Karpinski, she’s received only a mild slap on the wrist as the brass were circling the wagons. Not a good sign that our country’s commanders intend to own up to their respective roles in this catastrophic breach of human rights, which will have consequences we all will have to pay for many years to come.

Col. David H. Hackworth (USA Ret.) is SFTT.org co-founder and Senior Military Columnist for DefenseWatch magazine. For information on his many books, go to his home page at Hackworth.com, where you can sign in for his free weekly Defending America. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179, Greenwich, CT 06831. His newest book is “Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts.” © 2004 David H. Hackworth. Please send Feedback responses to dwfeedback@yahoo.com.

[Republican Red]

Hackworth was suppose to name the 17 Senators who were supposedly notified (by constitutents serving in Iraq) of the prisoner abuse long before the pictures surfaced today.

Instead we get this article. Guess we know what political party these 17 must have belonged to or Hack would have published them.

Actually, I read on another thread that Hillary, Byrd, Bill Nelson & Mark Dayton are among those named by uncle William Lawson on MSNBC today.

[Fighting Irish]

Hackworth is a stooge............

[OldFriend]

By exploiting this it is Hackworth who is denigrating the great sacrifices made by our troops and our country.

That he has no shame is an understatement.

[RobbyS]

Hack has forgotten his history. Sometimes you have to use "unready" troops. Certain many of the Guard units dispatched to North Africa were not much good. Certainly the garrison troops sent by MacArthur in July, 1950, were not much good. But you have to have SOMEONE!

[weegee]

Media Schadenfreude and and Media Shenanigans PING

17 Senators were alerted to this issue before Hackworth was. Who are they and when did they know? What is there party affiliation?

[ken5050]

Dayton? the same putz who accused Rummy and the CJC Meyers of "supressing" the story..?

[Redpower]

Yeah, well, Bush knew in January, so it's all the same.

[glock rocks]

Retired Master Sgt. William Lawson, who brought the atrocity story

Funny, hack, that's just how Hildabeast described it in the Senate hearing to Rummy.

Curious that it's okay for Palistinian terrorists to wear women's clothing to shoot up the memorial service for the mother who was gunned down following her children (before her eyes) though.

[TexasCajun]

Hackworth looks like one of those Queer Guys on that show my wife watches for some reason!

And why is that lots of women just adore male homosexuals?
I just don't get it?

[Republican Red]

The thread I was following this morning about this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1132632/posts?q=1&&page=351

Hackworth To Release Names Of 17 Senators on Internet Today

Just heard on KVIl in Dallas, Col. Hackworth being interviewed. Stated he will be releasing the names of the notorious 17 today on the internet. FYI

[ErnBatavia]

I know this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but I've always thought that Hackworth has that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" look about him...

[AlbionGirl]

In 1965 in Vietnam, I saw a very connected intelligence captain torturing a POW with a field-telephone wire attached to his testicles and decided my personal belief system outweighed his father’s four stars. When I told him I’d shoot him if he didn’t cease and desist, the atrocity came to a screeching halt.

On both occasions, I knew I had the moral right. I’d been taught from the first day I put on a U.S. Army uniform that American soldiers don’t follow unlawful orders and that it was my duty to stop or report an illegal act. I also believed strongly that when dealing with POWs, “There but for the grace of God go I.”

If all this is true, then my respect for him grows.

[ken5050]

Thanks for the heads up..I'd expect that Brit's show will go witht he names.. Did he really say Dayton?

[Conspiracy Guy]

Hackworth is a hack.

[Khurkris]

..gee...isn't Hackworth a grand fellow....

.../extreme sarcasm

[Askel5]

=== I’d been taught from the first day I put on a U.S. Army uniform that American soldiers don’t follow unlawful orders and that it was my duty to stop or report an illegal act. I also believed strongly that when dealing with POWs, “There but for the grace of God go I.”

Hear hear.

Thank God for those men with integrity who have yet to succumb to the mantra of "I'm personally opposed, but ..."

Lay the blame for this scandal's backfiring where it belongs: on those individuals responsible and their superiors.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Something's missing...

[onyx]

Here it is... not much.
Think he's running scared?

[onyx]

Yes he does have the "look"
and the manner of speech, but...

[LADY J]

" And these war crimes not only diminish the sacrifices of our gallant soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, they place the troops at even greater risk"

I - I - I - It's all about ME and my superior knowledge that goes beyond all the military brass. Why don't they check with ME first before making decisions!!

These pictures place our troops at greater risk - so that's why HACKworth made sure they got to the media so they could be exposed to the public?

[Dane]

Hackworth, IMO, could aptly be described as the leftist version of the Dana Carvey character, Churchlady, except his "expertise" is supposedly in military matters.

[raptor29]

Hackworth could come out and state the truth about how the Clinton administration depleted the military numbers, which might be why we have to rely so heavily on 'poorly trained' soldiers and reservists. And Hackworth could come out and make a statement about women in the military and promotions that shouldn't have taken place, and the ramifications clearly showing up in this scandal. And Hackworth could come out and possibly mention gays in the military, given the nature of many of the 'abuse' photos. Hackworth could use his military credibility to raise these issues. But of course, that would undermine his real goal, which is simple self-promotion.

[DonaldDuke]

that Hackworth has that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" look about him...

There's more strange things about Hackworth, if who's getting to be editors of Defensewatch is anything to go by.

I hope he faces extreme legal consequences.

[RGSpincich]

Retired Master Sgt. William Lawson, who brought the atrocity story to SFTT.org, says the 800th Military Police Brigade is a prime example: “My nephew Chip, who’s been charged with war crimes, wasn’t trained to be a prison guard. He was a part-time soldier marginally trained for even conventional military police (MP) work. But Chip was such a good soldier that he was selected to escort Gen. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Staff, when Chip was guarding the vice president right after 9/11. Myers gave him both great reviews and his personal coin.”

What a crock, poor little Chippy (pictured below)is 37 yrs. old, is a trained prison guard with over 6 years experience and has been rejected by municipal law enforcement agencies for employ. Probably uncovered some psychological problems, like when he pretended an Iraqi prisoner was a 6 point buck without the rack.

[Republican Red]

I don't watch MSNBC but many freepers saw the uncle's interview this morning. from post #354 by ampat on my above reference earlier thread:

The uncle (Lawson) of Staff Sgt. Frederick was interview by MSNBC today. Among those he contacted are: Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Mark Dayton, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Joe Libermann, Robert Byrd, all democrat members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He also contacted J. Rockefeller (D-WV) and John Warner (R-VA, chairman of Senate Armed Services Committee). He said Byrd's office replied they don't respond to emails of less than 500 words. Rockefeller's office replied that since the uncle wasn't immediate family, he could't help. The rest sent form letters suggesting they would pass the info on to the military for investigation. So much for surprises and keeping things secret. So far I haven't seen this story on any other news shows. I'm not surprised, but I'd expect Fox News to cover it.

354 posted on 05/10/2004 2:03:39 PM EDT by ampat (to)

[Dane]

To everybody, hackworth supposedly has a column coming out tomorrow on Joe Farah's World Nut(whoops excuse me)Net Daily.

[TrueBeliever9]

Send all comments to: teagles@hackworth.com

Header on his website should read X-soldier

[Askel5]

=== but I've always thought that Hackworth has that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" look about him...

Now there's a Litmus Test certain to backfire on the Log Cabin party.

[marron]

You don't go to war with the army you ought to have, or wish you had. You go with the army you have. If that means drawing on reserve and guard units, thats what you do.

Feel free to blame previous congresses and previous administrations for being in a hurry to spend the peace dividend. But waiting until we rebuilt the army to pre-Gulf War levels wasn't an option. Hackworth's remark that "Mr. Rumsfeld and too many of his generals are into a fast-fix mode..." is not really much of a criticism. It just means that Rumsfeld is doing what he has to do with what he has to work with. Thats precisely why we like him, those of us who like him.

Hack goes on to share his reminiscences of abuses he refused to take part in during past wars, which should be a reminder that such things happen in every war. The temptation has to be resisted in every war. This one is no different.

If some dogface somewhere shot a German soldier in his custody, that is wrong, its something he has to live with after the uniforms come off, if his officers knew about it they should have been courtmartialed, but it does not follow that the Nazis should have been left to rule from Berlin, or that our moral authority to oppose them was lost. If Hack's superiors wanted to shoot a prisoner rather than walk them back to the rear, thats wrong, but it doesn't follow that Seoul should be a Chinese garrison. We expect our soldiers to be men of character, and while that means you don't commit atrocities, it also means you don't lose sight of your moral war aims.

[Quilla]

Excellent point that the media will never mention. Let's not forget to thank Al Gore for his involvement - it was his reinventing government scheme that covertly reduced the many our military assets.

[monkeywrench]

"Hackworth, IMO, could aptly be described as the leftist version of the Dana Carvey character, Churchlady,"

YES!!

[ken5050]

Thanks..that's gonna be very interesting when it comes out..

[r9etb]

Thanks..that's gonna be very interesting when it comes out..

You forgot to close your sarcasm tag....

[LADY J]

"Among those he contacted are: Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Mark Dayton, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Joe Libermann, Robert Byrd, all democrat members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He also contacted J. Rockefeller (D-WV) and John Warner (R-VA, chairman of Senate Armed Services Committee)."

Hopefully we will soon see a complete list of those who were contacted.

These holier than thou- shocked that the Bush administration kept the horrible secret from them need to be exposed and confronted.

They kept this to themselvesin order to shoot Rummy down in public. All they wanted was face time so they could appear to be so indignant at the 'outrage'.

[ken5050]

You're way too cynicle..viewing it fro the perspective of one,( and this is NOT meant as a criticism) who follows this stuff carefully. 90% of Americans don't..This willget shaped, massages, and filter down..The Dems are running hard to the left, startignto get into an ant-military, American troops comit abuses..mode. That's whyW.'s speech today was a marvelous respone..the vast % of the middel of the electoral, where the battle will be fought, and won, are pro-military, ahve a huge admiration for the American troops, and are concerned abotu security, and in their gut they know that Bush is beter for the job; that there's a reason whty there hasn't been another attack...and why this race won't be that close..

[hgro]

Hackworth has lost what few marbles he had. He is a bitter man and worse, a liar.

[Dane]

Separated at birth?

[Republican Red]

From Rush Limbaugh Friday May 7, 2004:

Hillary May Regret This
By Rush Limbaugh
May 7, 2004

We joined Hillary Clinton's questioning of Donald Rumsfeld during Friday's program which you can hear, along with my expert commentary, in the audio link below.

In the first part of Hillary's question, right before we came out of the break, she was saying that you don't need these pictures to be revulsed. That just reading descriptions of these pictures is enough to revulse anybody.

I'm going to tell you, folks. Mark the date, May 7th, 2004. She and others who say that are going to regret that they said it. I will say no more. I'm just telling you there's a good chance that if we learn all there is to know about this, that describing this as revulsing is going to be really offensive to some people.

[rrrod]

agree.....over the last few yrs he has seemed "off" to put it mildly

[aft_lizard]

This is what I emailed the Hack and posted on his online guestbook:

As a veteran of Iraq and disabled with a brother still over there and many friends, I just want to tell you Hackworth to go to hell. How far would you go to get this President you so vehemently hate? How far would you go in opposing a war you hate? How far would you go in getting a few senior officers?

You are a disgrace, your actions in releasing the pictures of the abuse is reprehensible. You impugned the military court martial, the president and soldiers in Iraq and the war. Does it make you feel good that your personal hatred of all things Bush may lead to the deaths of hundreds of good hard working soldiers? Does it make you feel good that America is now viewed even worse now? You know what I am saying, because you know that arrests were being made investigations were already under way and the pictures ere already well known to the military and were being used as evidence. The one and only reason you had for releasing them was for political reasons. I know many, many soldiers who now consider you there worst type of enemy, the kind who says they are out for them, butr it turns out you are just out fo yourself. Thank you, and go to hell.

To post your own comment:
http://www.hackworth.com/cgi-bin/csGuest/csGuest.cgi?command=view&gid=1&rnd=165.54322609140976

[r9etb]

Actually, I forgot to close my sarcasm tag, too. ;-)

Overall I agree with your assessment. However, I am less confident than you appear to be, that the "Democrat senators were told" angle will get much airplay.

[RichInOC]

I've read about everybody from Rosa Klebb the brigade commander down to these guys and their families complaining that they didn't get enough resources and training from above. I'm curious...exactly how much time and money do you need to tell your people "Don't abuse your prisoners. Don't let anybody else abuse your prisoners. If you do, I will personally make sure that you become prisoners...but first, I will try to break my foot off in your backside"?

Especially since at least some of these tards were cops and corrections officers in their regular jobs.

[DainBramage]

When I told him I’d shoot him if he didn’t cease and desist

Ahh.... murder an American. Why shoot him soldier man ?

[CWOJackson]

I've often wondered what turns people like HACKworth and pat buchanan into such bitter old men. The more they speak the easier it is to understand...they are without personal integrity or honor.

[Polybius]

......the brass have spent months covering up obscene behavior while placing the sole blame on Joe and Jill Grunt. .............Retired Master Sgt. William Lawson, who brought the atrocity story to SFTT.org, says the 800th Military Police Brigade is a prime example....

Bravo Sierra.

Retired Master Sgt. William Lawson did nothing except try to blackmail the U.S. Army by threatening to release copies of the photos unless the U.S. Army dropped charges against his nephew. The U.S. Army, to it's credit, refused to subvert the rule of law in the face of blackmail.

The abuse was first reported on 13 January 2004 by Spc. Joseph Darby.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) Press Release Number: 04-01-43 announced on January 16, 2004 that an investigation was going to be conducted in a case dealing with detainee abuse. This was the first time that the press had heard anything about this and it was 3 days after the abuse had been reported.

An Army Regulation Article 15-6 investigation was commenced on 19 January 2004 and was an extremely extensive investigation with interviews of over 50 witnesses both American and Iraqi.

The Army Regulation Article 15-6 investigation concluded:

CONCLUSION:1. (U) Several US Army Soldiers have committed egregious acts and grave breaches of international law at Abu Ghraib/BCCF and Camp Bucca, Iraq. Furthermore, key senior leaders in both the 800th MP Brigade and the 205th MI Brigade failed to comply with established regulations, policies, and command directives in preventing detainee abuses at Abu Ghraib (BCCF) and at Camp Bucca during the period August 2003 to February 2004.

Hackworth is not only an accomplice to blackmail but also a liar.

[monkeywrench]

OMG! I'll never look at him quite the same! LOL!

[CWOJackson]

"To everybody, hackworth supposedly has a column coming out tomorrow on Joe Farah's World Nut(whoops excuse me)Net Daily."

Not surprising, their friend Kerry isn't doing so well so they'll ratchet up their attacks on the President. Despite all their rhetoric buchanan, farah and HACKworth don't give a damn about America...it's all about them.

[bayourod]

"I saw a very connected intelligence captain torturing a POW with a field-telephone wire attached to his testicles "

And since Hackworth was so much better trained than our current reserves, he immedialtely reported it to his superiors, just as they had so well trained him to do.

Is there a statute of limitations on war crimes?

[RobbyS]

I agree, adding that the only cuts in the federal budget that were mea ningfully were in the DoD. The Army lost two divisions because of those cuts but also because the Army brass was busy fighting the last war. So long as Clinton left them free to play their games, they were not inclined to fight for those divisions.

[LADY J]

Can't wait for Rush's words to come true. Revenge is sweet!