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Bishop gets earful on new Cathedral
Oakland Tribune ^ | 08 May 2004 | Peggy Stinnett

Posted on 05/08/2004 11:44:19 AM PDT by MegaSilver

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To: sinkspur
I didn't know a thing about Weakland's renovation. I still don't know much about it.

Google for pictures of the wrecknovation Sinky, it's appalling. Rembert was kind enough top leave a large picture of himself inside though.

41 posted on 05/08/2004 4:20:07 PM PDT by pbear8 (I don't want this new cathedral)
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To: ninenot
Vigneron is NOT a liberal.

I've seen his writings in the diocesan newspaper and at a priest's funeral where he used the 's' word (sin),which, as you know is rare these days.

I know that the libs are up in arms because he has kept out VOT(un)F from a conference.

These are all good signs and I am hoping for the best, but I know that he wants this cathedral (as did his predecessor of unhappy memory) and I think it is as ugly as sin and not becoming of a Catholic place of worship.

42 posted on 05/08/2004 4:26:45 PM PDT by pbear8 (I don't want this new cathedral)
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To: Paul_B
$1200/ sq. ft. Wow.

Can you imagine what it would cost if it was the government building it?

43 posted on 05/08/2004 4:28:05 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: sartorius; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ..
Another Temple of Doom Modern Monstrosity ping.
45 posted on 05/08/2004 4:41:31 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: sartorius
lol, no problem, I thought I'd made a mistake
46 posted on 05/08/2004 4:41:43 PM PDT by breakem
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To: pbear8
That's it? That is what they are building? Good grief...

The planners on the building committee should be shot.

47 posted on 05/08/2004 4:55:04 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ninenot

Not bigger, just more.

Calatrava's design will have movable glass-and-steel sections. "The idea was for a building that would be like a pair of hands," Calatrava says. "The hands can be brought together in prayer or they can be opened to the sky."

48 posted on 05/08/2004 4:57:38 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from Jaws while we are praying O Lord!)
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To: ninenot; Paul_B; sinkspur; Cicero; MegaSilver
Capital Campaign: The total project goal is $131 million, $80 million of which will be used for purchase of land and construction of the Cathedral. The remainder is for construction of a rectory and diocesan center. Funding is to be secured through donations from private individuals, foundations and other organizations. No monies from the Diocesan budget will be utilized to fund the Cathedral Project.

I am guessing Vigneron is only taking this Beached Whale because it doesn't cost him a dime. Sort of like either accept a free brand new Toyota xB or keep walking. Take it or leave it type of deal.

It also appears the old flunky bishop Cummins still has a big hand in this deal. After all, it's his groupies that put together the money. The original designed has been modified since Vigneron's arrival but I understand it's still ugly. No chance the modernists will put money into a new orthodox design at this stage.

Is Bishop Cummins, now retired, still involved in the Cathedral Project?

Yes. Bishop Cummins was appointed Episcopal Vicar of the Cathedral Project by Bishop Vigneron. He is a member of the steering committee, and remains active in the project.


49 posted on 05/08/2004 5:01:29 PM PDT by m4629
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The planners on the building committee should be shot.

Like the saying goes, architects should be forced to live in the buildings they design.

I agree; it's just about the ugliest "Cathedral" design I've ever laid eyes on. It's even worse than the Taj Mahoney.

50 posted on 05/08/2004 5:10:10 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
That's it? That is what they are building? Good grief...

You know what's funny, I went to the official website - www.christthelightcathedral.org - and I couldn't find a picture of this beast. I ran through quickly, maybe I missed it, but it is most definitely NOT prominent.

51 posted on 05/08/2004 5:10:42 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from Jaws while we are praying O Lord!)
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To: pbear8
These are all good signs and I am hoping for the best, but I know that he wants this cathedral (as did his predecessor of unhappy memory) and I think it is as ugly as sin and not becoming of a Catholic place of worship.

Maybe we should start a campaign to change the design.

52 posted on 05/08/2004 5:11:38 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver
Mega - check out the website - www.christthelight.org - tell me they are not trying to hide this thing until they get the money.
53 posted on 05/08/2004 5:13:10 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from Jaws while we are praying O Lord!)
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To: pbear8
You know what's funny, I went to the official website - www.christthelightcathedral.org - and I couldn't find a picture of this beast. I ran through quickly, maybe I missed it, but it is most definitely NOT prominent.

Surprised? I'm not. If the parishioners ever found out precisely WHAT was being built, I wager they'd burn Vigneron's house down.

54 posted on 05/08/2004 5:13:19 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver
Vigneron is pretty conservative where can one access the building plans for the new Cathedral? Were these plans from the previous bishop?
55 posted on 05/08/2004 5:14:28 PM PDT by Diva
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To: pbear8
Mega - check out the website - www.christthelight.org - tell me they are not trying to hide this thing until they get the money.

I've seen it. And I wouldn't be surprised if you were right on the money.

We have to expose this thing. We have to do whatever it takes to make sure that gawdy monstrosity never sees the light of day, lest we turn the page to a very humiliating chapter in the history of the Church.

56 posted on 05/08/2004 5:15:42 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver; ninenot; Cicero; VOA; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
OK, finally found a big picture -

CHRIST THE LIGHT CATHEDRAL [Oakland, California] Since Calatrava's complex feats of engineering are often described as cathedral-like (perhaps because the ribs of his structures resemble Gothic buttresses), it is fitting that he won the competition to design the Christ the Light Cathedral in Oakland, California. Brother Mel Anderson of the Diocese of Oakland's building committee says it will be "a dazzling signature" for a city that is often considered a lesser stepsister to San Francisco. The building has no skin inside or out, so the nave (above) is a direct extension of the exterior (shown in Calatrava's watercolor).

We can all be Jonah living in the whale. Sailors do not like a Jonah on their boats!

57 posted on 05/08/2004 5:18:23 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from Jaws while we are praying O Lord!)
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To: Diva
Vigneron is pretty conservative where can one access the building plans for the new Cathedral? Were these plans from the previous bishop?

There's a couple of photos on this thread. And yes, the previous bishop still has a hand in this, though the plans have been slightly modified.

Especially when one considers that it's a multimillion dollar venture, it's probably the cheapest-looking Cathedral I've ever seen.

58 posted on 05/08/2004 5:21:40 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: Diva
Diva, see post #57 for a big picture.

Yes, John started this misadventure and tried to get JPII to keep him past retirement so that he could build his edifice complex, but JPII 'accepted' his retirement at 75.

59 posted on 05/08/2004 5:22:46 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from Jaws while we are praying O Lord!)
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To: pbear8
Is that this Santiago Calatrava?

His buildings are dreadful to look at. Modern architecture is nothing if not vomit-worthy.

60 posted on 05/08/2004 5:28:28 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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