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Atta/Prague new information (Edward Jay Epstein)
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| 4/23/04
| Edward Jay Epstein
Posted on 04/23/2004 8:46:16 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Mitchell; Travis McGee
I meant:
less suspicious than ...
not
less suspicious that ...
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posted on
04/23/2004 1:52:28 PM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: Mitchell
I think "Hamburg student" is totally plausible. Every service will have their own tradecraft SOPs, which may or may not be followed to the letter by a senior intelligence officer.
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posted on
04/23/2004 1:56:24 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Travis McGee; Shermy
The reason I'm skeptical is that the whole al-Ani issue smacks of dueling disinformation campaigns.
I have no idea what the truth is, and I'm unwilling to take statements from either side at face value.
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:02:18 PM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: swarthyguy
but why coverup about Iraq's involvement? Some didn't want a "war" with Iraq. They, or their masters/handlers, preferred the status quo.
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:04:34 PM PDT
by
Shermy
(Where's that ping list...)
To: Mitchell
>>I have no idea what the truth is
As long as Pakistan and Saudi's role in attacking us was not uncovered.
To: Mitchell
The reason I'm skeptical is that the whole al-Ani issue smacks of dueling disinformation campaigns. A result the disinforming side would be satisfied with.
I have no idea what the truth is, and I'm unwilling to take statements from either side at face value.
Caution always good. Difference is, the "anti" side has no faces. The Czech side is attributed. What motive would they have to come out so early with the info? The only Czech I've seen as an "anti" was some retired fellow who, when analyzed closely, merely questions the April 2001 meeting, not other connections. Where are the American anti faces???
As for the source who spotted Atta...Atta is an unusual looking person, so my opinion bends towards credence on that fact.
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:20:43 PM PDT
by
Shermy
(Where's that ping list...)
To: swarthyguy; Mitchell
And who thought up the hijack technique? It was psychologically sophisticated. Released KSM statements avoid this topic.
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:21:59 PM PDT
by
Shermy
(Where's that ping list...)
To: Mitchell; swarthyguy; Travis McGee; okie01
One more thing...
Consider that the Czechs named the April date just after 9/11.
Afterwards, we find that this date "just happens" to be available in the Atta timeline. That it "just happens" involve a date in the Fine report, or part of which, was not publicized (See Respekt articles). That it "just happens" to involve a date that all publicized American timelines are silent about, or say there is no information about. That the antis never, never offer an alternative location for Atta at that time.
Put another way, other than the Czech reports themselves, is there anything in the mountains of information released about Atta that disproves the Czechs?
Nope. Except for a lie about Vaclav Havel. Isn't it about time the antis prove themselves? And if they can't, don't they deserve at least the same amount of denigration that has been heaped on the Czechs?
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:31:35 PM PDT
by
Shermy
Put another way, other than the Czech reports themselves, is there anything in the mountains of information released about Atta that disproves the Czechs?
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posted on
04/23/2004 2:34:05 PM PDT
by
Shermy
To: Shermy
Well. the technique of intimidating the passengers and the flight crew was "dry runned" in the hijacking of the Indian Airliner in 1999 where a newlywed man's throat was cut, thereby keeping the passengers in their place.
To: TrebleRebel
It is possible that Atta traveled under an unknown alias since we have been unable to establish that Atta left the US or entered Europe in April 2001 under his true name or any known aliases Here's what I just love.
I just love how, when you mention the Atta/Prague connection to some anti-warrior, they say (reflexively parroting some talking point they read) "but that's been denied" or "that's been debunked".
But then when you go and look at the actual "debunkings" they are ALL based on things like: "we can't prove Atta left the country". Well, that proves he didn't!
The way the powers-that-be continue to deny and pseudo "debunk" the Atta-in-Prague story only serves to give me more confidence that it's true.
To: Dr. Frank fan
"The way the powers-that-be continue to deny and pseudo "debunk" the Atta-in-Prague story..." When you say "the powers-that-be", I presume you are referring to the media and the left's "conventional wisdom".
To my knowledge, neither the President nor the Vice President has ever "debunked" the story. Instead, for "public consumption", they say "there is no convincing evidence that Iraq was involved in 9/11". They have never claimed that there was any evidence to the contrary.
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posted on
04/23/2004 4:49:09 PM PDT
by
okie01
(www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
To: okie01
When you say "the powers-that-be" [who supposedly have debunked Atta/Prague], I presume you are referring to the media and the left's "conventional wisdom". Sort of. Actually I'm not really *sure* who it is that supposedly debunked the story. I guess in a way I'm referring to the ubiquitous "anonymous FBI sources" or "senior CIA officials" who tend to appear in articles by the likes of Isikoff...
I know that nobody's really debunked the story. (That's my point. :-)
Best,
To: Mitchell
Naturally. But if this was a disinformatzia campaign, the Bush Whitehouse would at least be using it!
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posted on
04/23/2004 10:08:29 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Shermy
All valid points, and unanswerable.
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posted on
04/23/2004 10:09:41 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Dr. Frank fan; Shermy
As far as traveling out of the country to visit Prague: hello! If you are going to visit the head of the Iraqi intelligence in Europe, don't you think false travel documents would be provided??? Well DUHH!!!
The folks who claim "no proof that Atta left the country" must think we were born last night.
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posted on
04/23/2004 10:12:30 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Travis McGee
But if this was a disinformatzia campaign, the Bush Whitehouse would at least be using it! I would say that whatever disinformation is going on does not appear to be associated with the White House.
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posted on
04/24/2004 9:08:27 PM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: Mitchell
I'm as mystified as anybody.
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posted on
04/24/2004 9:15:11 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: TrebleRebel
Bump for later.
To: Travis McGee
Every service will have their own tradecraft SOPs, which may or may not be followed to the letter by a senior intelligence officer. For example, Former CIA Director John Deutch's failure to follow procedure when he took highly sensitive intelligence files to his own house...
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posted on
04/24/2004 9:36:41 PM PDT
by
piasa
(Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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