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N. Korea: More Info on the N. Korean Explosion Site(is a major military supply node)
KBS1 Radio(AM) ^ | 04/23/04 | N/A

Posted on 04/22/2004 11:28:07 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Ken H
Re #19

I did. Thanks for reminding me, though.:)

21 posted on 04/23/2004 12:24:46 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: FR_addict
Kissinger was implying pretty heavily that this accident may not have been accidental and that Kim's health cannot be verified until he appears on TV cameras in person.

And since N. Korea cut all communications, it'll take a while to know for sure one way or the other.

I was surprised Kissinger was being as forthcoming as he was, and how pointedly he questioned the company line.

Did you catch the part where he said in N. Korea every home has a radio without an "off" button? That way propaganda plays in the home 24/7. Amazing.
22 posted on 04/23/2004 12:26:06 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
---(1) Was it really a mere accident? Was Kim Jong-il physically affected by this in anyway? Considering the possibility that Kim Jong-il might have sent a decoy train first and come much later in another train, which is not unusual for a security-obsessed dictator like him , somebody might have gone after him, after finding out his real train schedule.----

Interesting! I saw this very thing done by Park Chung Hee in South Korea. He was coming to meet with the I Corps commander at Camp Red Cloud. The highway was guarded all along his supposed route from Seoul and people ordered off the streets 2 blocks back along both sides. Park wasn't in the motorcade however!

He came by helicopter. First one landed and Park and two large bodyguards came out. Then another landed about ten minutes later and another Park with two bodyguards came out.

Park took power in a coup. He came across the Han river at 2 in the morning. Afterward he instituted marshal law with a 12 midnight curfew, that stayed in place until he was assassinated.
23 posted on 04/23/2004 12:26:21 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: isom35
Re #20

Well, if he wants to do something like that, he should have chosen a target with a lot of symbolic value but less of economic value. Blowing up a major transportation hub and a chunk of train tracks there is not exactly a smart move. N. Korean train system has no otherbackup rail route to take the place of this one. N. Korean economy is already in a morobind state. Doing this could cripple the economy, which would be worse than any political problems Kim Jong-il might have intended to solve, using this disaster as an excuse.

24 posted on 04/23/2004 12:31:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: claudiustg
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When did this happen? In 70's? By mid 70's, there was a couple of highly publicized attempts on Park's life by N. Koreans, first with 30-man commando raid into his presidential office(Blue House,) second with an ethnic Korean in Japan as an assasin, in which his wife got killed. After that, he could be paranoid. Don't you think?

Kim Jong-il's paranoia would be an order or two of magnitude higher.:)

25 posted on 04/23/2004 12:38:16 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The more I read, the worse it looks for the NK regime. Sounds like the people there need massive amounts of assisstance and right away.

Do the Chinese have the appropriate resources such as airlift capacity to deal with it? If I'm reading it right, the rail lines are out as a supply line from China.

I was thinking that the Japanese or US might be the only ones with the ability to effectively deal with the situation.

26 posted on 04/23/2004 12:55:33 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Thanks for the report.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/ryongchon-imagery.htm
27 posted on 04/23/2004 1:09:14 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Grampa Dave
The dictator will soon be blaming 'US sabotage'
28 posted on 04/23/2004 1:11:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Who stole the fire truck in Poynor TX?? They need it back, please.... thanks)
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To: Ken H
(foot tapping on floor) tap, tap, tap,,,

uhhhh, about that nuclear program????

29 posted on 04/23/2004 1:12:10 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: Ken H
Re #26

Their whole transportation system sucks. Bad roads, crappy rails, and scant airfields. The best is to airdrop the relief supplies to the disaster zone by parachutes, in my opinion. China, S. Korea, Japan, and U.S., all can have enough airplanes to do it. However, this would be a deeply destabilizing event for N. Korean regime. Foreign airplanes flying over N. Korean airspace unchecked, albeit for bringing in relief supplies. This would also starkly display the incompetence of N. Korean regime to all ordinary N. Koreans, if they just look up the sky and realize that it is foreigners who can deliver when it matters, not their own beloved fatherland nor "Dear Leader."

30 posted on 04/23/2004 1:20:29 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Right next to the station, there are also housing areas made up of 5 storied apartments(according to another news report.)

Hey! Not to change the subject, but this sounds like a "smart growth" transportation hub housing project that they are shoving down the throats of the people who live in Santa Cruz county, Commifornia. In fact, the decaying transportation infrastructure and bad roads sounds like Santa Cruz county too!

I just can't get over the coincidence!
31 posted on 04/23/2004 6:16:44 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Re #31

Sounds like a Jihadi's dream target. I have been to Santa Cruz, which is a beautiful place. I saw sea lions lounging around piers. And countless commies infesting the locale as you mentioned.

32 posted on 04/23/2004 6:41:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Grampa Dave; TigerLikesRooster
Wired Magazine has a report on this incident here:

N.Korea Explosives Blast Kills 150, Injures Hundreds

and >>>>>>

The explosion, which took place nine hours after a train carrying leader Kim Jong-il passed through on his way back from a visit to China, occurred when overhead electrical wires touched carriages carrying dynamite, an Irish aid worker based in Pyongyang quoted North Korean officials as telling her.

.......and

.......

Russia's Itar-Tass news agency reported from Pyongyang that the explosives were to be used to build an irrigation canal.

33 posted on 04/23/2004 8:35:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Our survival as a nation and as Americans depends on returning GW to 4 more years as president with as many R senators as we can elect and re elect.

Talking to my son last night, he says, that Kerry is on record that, one of his early moves, will be to shut down the ABM program!

And of course no drilling in Alaska. Renewable energy programs would be increased. I guess a windmill in every backyard.

34 posted on 04/23/2004 8:40:59 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: risk
Please remove me from your ping list.
35 posted on 04/23/2004 8:49:38 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
---When did this happen? In 70's? By mid 70's, there was a couple of highly publicized attempts on Park's life...---

This was probably about 1977. His own security chief finally got him in 1979, right after I left. Park was widely hated. I remember Koreans would always look around and slip into a whisper when talking about him.
36 posted on 04/23/2004 8:50:37 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
---Hey! Not to change the subject, but this sounds like a "smart growth" transportation hub housing project that they are shoving down the throats of the people who live in Santa Cruz county, Commifornia. ---

Bite your tongue! Any day now, our glorious leaders will fix the people's greater Hwy 1 transportation corridor. Nirvana is at hand!
37 posted on 04/23/2004 8:59:03 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: claudiustg
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The final few years of Park's rule was really repressive. He was of the opinion that nobody else could push S. Korea forward except him.

In recent years after the whole nation suffering from economic crisis and various interest groups fighting for their own narrow interests, people are feeling that the country is not moving forward as it used to. Many Koreans became nostalgic for the sense of direction the country used to have under Park Chung-hee. For all controversies, his drive for economic development is now generally viewed in positive light. As a result, Park's standing has improved recently.

His reputation is rebounding mostly because his erstwhile political enemies are screwing up S. Korea. Kim Young-sam, Kim Dae-jung created their share of messes. Now a whole cadre of dissident activists under him and his successor Chun Doo-hwan got hold of power. To me, they are doing no better than the two Kim's, and probably worse given time.

All these democracy activists make the former military strongman look better by their incompetence. And that is the real tragedy. People trapped in their confrontation mode during late 70's and 80's against the military regime bring the same mindset into governing 21 century S. Korea. Hence, the reflexive sympathy toward N. Korea and hostility against America because that is the polar opposite of military regime's policy, anti-communist and pro-American. They also want to set up 70's style welfare state in S. Korea, which is now going out of fashion even in Europe.

This reminds me of Russia immediately after Soviet breakup. All naive idealists, intellectuals, and unscrupulous opportunists, and corrupt criminals came out and claim to be champions of human rights, freedom, and free enterprise. The net result, however, is the nation mired in prolonged chaos, poverty, and lawlessness. This made old Soviet KGB look good in comparison, even though KGB was the most reviled institution toward the end of Soviet era. Now, former KGB men are in charge of whole Russian government and running it. However, no real resistance to de-facto rule of KGB brotherhood. On the contrary, Putin and his men are popular.

The only difference is that Russia had an reckless rightward surge while S. Korea could have the reckless leftward surge. Before the correction kicks in, many lives will be broken and astronomical amount of wealth may be destroyed, unfortunately. That is what Russia's recent past and S. Korea's immediate future may have in common.

38 posted on 04/23/2004 9:40:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
---All these democracy activists make the former military strongman look better by their incompetence. And that is the real tragedy. People trapped in their confrontation mode during late 70's and 80's against the military regime bring the same mindset into governing 21 century S. Korea. Hence, the reflexive sympathy toward N. Korea and hostility against America because that is the polar opposite of military regime's policy, anti-communist and pro-American. They also want to set up 70's style welfare state in S. Korea, which is now going out of fashion even in Europe.---

Excellent points!We thought the Communists were dead and buried, but the virus remains alive and well.
39 posted on 04/23/2004 1:47:23 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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