CALL TO TOLERANCE: Hamtramck should not silence part of Muslims' faith (SEISMIC BARF ALERT!!!!!)

Detroit Free Press ^ | 4/20/2004 | Some idiot editorial writer

[RightWingAtheist]

As the area's premier community of immigrants, Hamtramck surely should be tolerant of different cultures. But in this city where church bells regularly ring, some residents are up in arms over a request that the city's five Muslim mosques be able to broadcast daily calls to prayer.

[RightWingAtheist]

BAAARRRRFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Petronski]

I remember well dining on a balcony in Montreal when the call to moongodsquats went off about half a block away. Very creepy.

As I recall, I promptly ordered another beer and a BLT.

[Libertina]

Church bells don't pump out religious demands 5 times a day - early, late, or loud.

[netmilsmom]

The churches in Hamtramck are willing to cut the bells to get this stopped.

[lightman]

"Church bells don't make demands....."

That's because so few bells are actually being used to the fullest and richest potential. Besides signaling the approach of a worship service or the start of a service, a single bell should be rung continually throughout the congregation praying the Lord's Prayer so that those in the vicinity who are unable to attend the service might at least be summoned to pray, wherever they happen to be.

There are some fascinating discussions on how bells were a communication tool in pre-electric America in some of the books by Eric Sloan; also a wonderful listing of the many ways bells could be utilized today in the Book of Occasional Services of the Lutheran Book of Worship, 1978.

[Becki]

Church bells don't turn Muslims or Jews into Christians; there's no reason to think the Muslim call to prayer will undermine other faiths.

They say this now, butt then why are they being silenced?

Becki

[Becki]

butt = but

[blush]

[Ichneumon]

LOL! Nice graphic.

Since the city council has already gone ahead and approved this, I think the appropriate public reaction should be to wait for each of the five-times-daily Muslim prayer calls to start over the loudspeakers, and then at that moment start blaring their own amplified performances of the Lord's Prayer, the Star Spangled Banner, Zog Nit Keynmol (song of resistance from the Jewish Vilnius ghetto), church bells, a speech by Daniel Pipes, an Arial Sharon press conference, the Beatles' "Why Don't We Do It In the Road", or whatever strikes their fancy.

[Mears]

I heard it in Spain and it was,as you said,very loud.

It didn't bother me much then because it was pre 9/11,but now it would give me the chills.

[nightdriver]

Since about 1892, islam is essentially illegal in the United States. I guess we sorta pick and choose which laws we obey in this country.

[henderson field]

Don't you mean Call to Cultural Pollution (and more of it)?

[Dan from Michigan]

I'm thinking the movie Iron Eagle on a giant TV screen......

[GATOR NAVY]

First of all, the calls to prayer will be in Arabic, so they will reach only those who speak the language.

As someone who lives in Japan, where neighborhood loudspeaker announcements are very common, let me advise the writer that not speaking the language of said announcements does not make them any less annoying.

[RightWingAtheist]

I'd play "Dear God" by XTC at full blast.

[quantim]

It will be interesting to see if The Detroit News projects the same barf this weekend. They are sure to weigh in on the smelly side.

where two-thirds of the public school students speak a language other than English at home.

Well, at least a third speak English to some degree.

First of all, the calls to prayer will be in Arabic, so they will reach only those who speak the language

What the heck does that mean?  So I tell everyone at the grocery store to STFU only because they understand English?

Other recent threads on this forum on this topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1121563/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1121988/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1121901/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120870/posts

 

[SandRat]

Fair is fair. Every church in Hamtramick should ring the bells for every service to include Vespers, Saturday confession, Funerals, Weddings what ever the service.

Sorry Imam's and city council, but that's the way the bell tolls.

[Libertina]

I love church bells, I want my Christian nation. The fact is, if I wanted Islam I'd go visit overseas :(

[Libertina]

Not only ring, but air a two-minute reading of the Bible to come to worship. LOUDLY. Proudly. Sonorously.

[Agitate]

This is utterly disgusting. I am a Christian, what would happen if my church blasted psalms out or speakers? Can you say ACLU lawsuit???

If we don't fight for this country, we will lose it. The inequity and preference towards islam and muslims in the name of being PC is getting worse daily.

We can all get mad but are the people of MI doing anything about it? Is the ACLU filing a suit?

[sheik yerbouty]

The screeching from the minarets is noise pollution. Such noise would hazardous to people working nearby. OSHA should step in..

[texastoo]

Are we do dumb to think that the muslims would let America set their time to pray? They settled for 6am but as I understand it the time by the Koran is something like 4-5am.

I think they are winning a huge battle right now.

The editor of this artlcle suggests that the other residents of Hamstramck would sell their souls to the devil for a tax base.

As someone has already mentioned, what about the people who work night shifts?

[quantim]

Sorry Imam's and city council, but that's the way the bell tolls.

Fair enough, but the bells are not piped through an electronic amplified loudspeaker.

[quantim]

Fair enough, but the bells are not piped through an electronic amplified loudspeaker.

That is endorsed by the Hamtramck city council.

[SandRat]

Is the ACLU filing a suit?

amicus curi ("friends of the court") for the Mosques.

[SandRat]

Gee, with a little help from Radio Shack that can be fixed.

[quantim]

Is the ACLU filing a suit?

I doubt it, it does not fit their agenda.

[Agitate]

amicus curi ("friends of the court") for the Mosques.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean...I'm slow sometimes, especially when I'm hot mad, like I am after reading this.

I hope people realize how serious these victories are for Islam in America, and do something about it when they can!

Islam does have an agenda in this nation--and they appear to be winning, just like homosexuals. We cannot lose America through capticulation and political correctness!

[SandRat]

Basically what I said is the ACLU is filing on the side of the Mosques. Remember Anti-Christian-Liars-Union.

[epigone73]

"other residents of Hamstramck would sell their souls to the devil for a tax base."

Looking at the areas peopled by these types, and by their "communities" in Europe, can't help thinking they contribute precious little to the tax base. POint of fact, i daresay they are a net drain, particularly when one considers the costs of their "protests" and "asserions of their rights".

they're noisy, irritating, militant; the worst kind of neighbors. Wonder if the Hamsandwich council allowed this to avoid the "slaves of Allah" paying them a private visit, if you get my drift.

[Agitate]

they're noisy, irritating, militant; the worst kind of neighbors. Wonder if the Hamsandwich council allowed this to avoid the "slaves of Allah" paying them a private visit, if you get my drift.

Are you implying that islam isn't peaceful?

[Agitate]

Basically what I said is the ACLU is filing on the side of the Mosques. Remember Anti-Christian-Liars-Union.

Thanks for educating me on the latin, you are quite correct.

I feel a sudden urge to post a link to FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform

Federation for American
Immigration Reform

Federation for American Immigration Reform
1666 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 400
Washington, DC 20009
Tel: (202) 328-7004
Fax: (202) 387-3447

[texastoo]

I get your drift alright. Probably a little payola went to some of these council members.

Imagine how interrupting this could be to your daily lives. Such as talking on the phone with a bad connection when all of a sudden all you can hear is foreign languages for 2 to 5 minutes. What about night shift workers?

I don't want foreign languages piped through my house 5 times a day 365 days a year.

[epigone73]

Not that it's not peaceful; I'm sure it is. But I can't help noticing the bad luck visited on every non-Muslim nation with Muslim neighbors:

buses explode, etc., with alarming regularity.

[epigone73]

I wasnt thining payola so much as the other great persuader.

not gold so much as iron, if you dig.

[texastoo]

Yeah, I dug you the first time. I just added payola as I am from south Texas and that is what it takes here.

[RightWingAtheist]

Hey, the graphic's gone!

Oh well, here's another one:

[taxesareforever]

Is anyone else surprised that there are so many Muslims in a town whose name starts with "Ham"?