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Taxing times for 16th Amendment rebels.
reason online.com ^ | 4 2004 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 04/19/2004 1:45:33 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: mvpel
SECTION 861. INCOME FROM SOURCES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES


(a) GROSS INCOME FROM SOURCES WITHIN UNITED STATES

The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from
sources within the United States:

(1) INTEREST

Interest from the United States or the District of Columbia, and
interest on bonds, notes, or other interest-bearing obligations of
noncorporate residents or domestic corporations not including--

(A) interest from a resident alien individual or domestic
corporation, if such individual or corporation meets the 80-
percent foreign business requirements of subsection (c)(1), and

(B) interest--

(i) on deposits with a foreign branch of a domestic
corporation or a domestic partnership if such branch is
engaged in the commercial banking business, and

(ii) on amounts satisfying the requirements of subparagraph
(B) of section 871(i)(3) which are paid by a foreign branch
of a domestic corporation or a domestic partnership.

(2) DIVIDENDS

The amount received as dividends--

(A) from a domestic corporation other than a corporation which
has an election in effect under section 936, or

(B) from a foreign corporation unless less than 25 percent of
the gross income from all sources of such foreign corporation
for the 3-year period ending with the close of its taxable year
preceding the declaration of such dividends (or for such part of
such period as the corporation has been in existence) was
effectively connected (or treated as effectively connected other
than income described in section 884(d)(2)) with the conduct of
a trade or business within the United States; but only in an
amount which bears the same ratio to such dividends as the gross
income of the corporation for such period which was effectively
connected (or treated as effectively connected other than income
described in section 884(d)(2)) with the conduct of a trade or
business within the United States bears to its gross income from
all sources; but dividends (other than dividends for which a
deduction is allowable under section 245(b)) from a foreign
corporation shall, for purposes of subpart A of part III
(relating to foreign tax credit), be treated as income from
sources without the United States to the extent (and only to the
extent) exceeding the amount which is 100/70th of the amount of
the deduction allowable under section 245 in respect of such
dividends, or

(C) from a foreign corporation to the extent that such amount is
required by section 243(e) (relating to certain dividends from
foreign corporations) to be treated as dividends from a domestic
corporation which is subject to taxation under this chapter, and
to such extent subparagraph (B) shall not apply to such amount,
or

(D) from a DISC or former DISC (as defined in section 992(a))
except to the extent attributable (as determined under
regulations prescribed by the Secretary) to qualified export
receipts described in section 993(a)(1) (other than interest and
gains described in section 995(b)(1)).

In the case of any dividend from a 20-percent owned corporation (as
defined in section 243(c)(2)), subparagraph (B) shall be applied by
substituting "100/80th" for "100/70th".

(3) PERSONAL SERVICES

Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United
States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in
the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources
within the United States if--

(A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien
individual temporarily present in the United States for a period
or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable
year,

(B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate,
and

(C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an
employee of or under a contract with--

(i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign
corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the
United States, or

(ii) an individual who is a citizen or resident of the
United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic
corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an
office or place of business maintained in a foreign country
or in a possession of the United States by such individual,
partnership, or corporation.

In addition, compensation for labor or services performed in the
United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within
the United States if the labor or services are performed by a
nonresident alien individual in connection with the individual's
temporary presence in the United States as a regular member of the
crew of a foreign vessel engaged in transportation between the United
States and a foreign country or a possession of the United States.
21 posted on 04/19/2004 7:47:55 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Poohbah
(3) PERSONAL SERVICES

Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United
States;
22 posted on 04/19/2004 7:49:16 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Minion, that cite still doesn't tell me where in the law or regulations it indicates that section 861 only applies to situations where you have income that is taxable in multiple countries, and where the statute limits the definition of "taxpayer" that is used in that section.

And what you posted is a list of "items" of gross income, not a list of "sources" or a definition of what a "source" of income actually is.
23 posted on 04/19/2004 8:47:07 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
26 USC 7805(a) Rules and regulations
(a) Authorization - … the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall prescribe all needful rules and regulations for the enforcement of this title [Title 26]…" [26 USC § 7805]

Thus under amplifying Treasury regulations for 26 USC 1, 26 CFR 1.1-1(a),(b)

Sec. 1.1-1 Income tax on individuals.

(a) General rule. (1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States and, to the extent provided by section 871(b) or 877(b), on the income of a nonresident alien individual.

(b) Citizens or residents of the United States liable to tax. In general, all citizens of the United States, wherever resident, and all resident alien individuals are liable to the income taxes imposed by the Code whether the income is received from sources within or without the United States.

And in Regard to 26 USC 861

 

[CITE: 26CFR1.861-1] [Page 119-120]

TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE (CONTINUED) Normal Taxes and Surtaxes (Continued)--

Table of Contents Sec. 1.861-1 Income from sources within the United States.

(a) Categories of income.

Part I (section 861 and following), subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and the regulations thereunder determine the sources of income for purposes of the income tax. These sections explicitly allocate certain important sources of income to the United States or to areas outside the United States, as the case may be; and, with respect to the remaining income (particularly that derived partly from sources within and partly from sources without the United States), authorize the Secretary or his delegate to determine the income derived from sources within the United States, either by rules of separate allocation or by processes or formulas of general apportionment. The statute provides for the following three categories of income:

(1) Within the United States. The gross income from sources within the United States, consisting of the items of gross income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with section 863(a). See Secs. 1.861-2 to 1.861-7, inclusive, and Sec. 1.863-1. The taxable income from sources within the United States, in the case of such income, shall be determined by deducting therefrom, in accordance with sections 861(b) and 863(a), the expenses, losses, and other deductions properly apportioned or allocated thereto and a ratable part of any other expenses, losses, or deductions which cannot definitely [[Page 120]] be allocated to some item or class of gross income. See Secs. 1.861-8 and 1.863-1.


TITLE 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle A - Income Taxes
CHAPTER 1 - NORMAL TAXES AND SURTAXES
Subchapter N - Tax Based on Income From Sources Within or Without the United States
PART I - SOURCE RULES AND OTHER GENERAL RULES RELATING TO FOREIGN INCOME
Sec. 861
. Income from sources within the United States
(a) Gross income from sources within United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income
from sources
within the United States:

(3) Personal services
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;

EXCEPT that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if -

(A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year,
(B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and
(C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with -

(i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or
(ii)
an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States
, a domestic partnership, or
a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or
place of business maintained
in a foreign country
or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership,
or corporation,
In addition, except for purposes of sections 79 and 105 and subchapter D, compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual in connection with the individual's temporary presence in the United States as a regular member of the crew of a foreign vessel engaged in transportation between the United States and a foreign country or a possession of the United States.

In Summary, if you are a United States citizen, and receive compensation for labor or compensation for other activities(i.e. sources) in the United States you are subject to income taxes.

A tax levied as an excise or duty on an activity of commerce.

A LAW DICTIONARY
by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

WAGES,
contract. A compensation given to a hired person for his or her services.

KNOWLTON v. MOORE, 178 U.S. 41 (1900)

BROMLEY v. MCCAUGHN, 280 U.S. 124 (1929)

Tyler v. U.S. 281 U.S. 497, 502 (1930)

House Congressional Record, March 27, 1943, pg. 2580:


24 posted on 04/19/2004 11:32:46 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: mvpel
Minion, that cite still doesn't tell me where in the law or regulations it indicates that section 861 only applies to situations where you have income that is taxable in multiple countries, and where the statute limits the definition of "taxpayer" that is used in that section.

Do you have income that is taxed by a country other than the United States?

25 posted on 04/20/2004 4:05:00 AM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: mvpel
And what you posted is a list of "items" of gross income, not a list of "sources" or a definition of what a "source" of income actually is.

Are you unable to read?

The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:

"Item of income" and "source of income" are semantically identical within the Internal Revenue Code.

26 posted on 04/20/2004 4:21:49 AM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: mvpel
Minion, that cite still doesn't tell me where in the law or regulations it indicates that section 861 only applies to situations where you have income that is taxable in multiple countries, and where the statute limits the definition of "taxpayer" that is used in that section.

You are correct. It simply says that ANY income earned in the US is taxable.

27 posted on 04/20/2004 5:51:15 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: ancient_geezer
what a mess
28 posted on 04/20/2004 7:27:08 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Centurion2000
How true, and IMO the only way to deal with it is scrap the entire system and replace it.

Congress created the mess, and only Congress can clean it up.

As regarding even the first income tax, the Courts made that clear from the beginning:

Springer v. United States(1880), 102 U.S. 586


29 posted on 04/20/2004 8:26:28 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: mvpel
The Court did not need to cite, because the citations are a matter of record for the past ten years. One would think that it would be unnecessary to cite a geological survey of the moon to dismiss the notion that it's made of green cheese. However, so that you too may know and believe:

Sec. 861. - Income from sources within the United States

(a) Gross income from sources within United States

The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:

(1) Interest

[Skip detail...]

(2) Dividends

[Skip detail...]

(3) Personal services

Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if -

(A)

the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year,

(B)

such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and

(C)

the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with -

(i)

a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or

(ii)

an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.

In addition, compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual in connection with the individual's temporary presence in the United States as a regular member of the crew of a foreign vessel engaged in transportation between the United States and a foreign country or a possession of the United States.

What none of this tells you is the purpose of this definition, which is to conform taxation of foreign entities to treaty obligations:

Sec. 4948. - Application of taxes and denial of exemption with respect to certain foreign organizations

(a) Tax on income of certain foreign organizations

In lieu of the tax imposed by section 4940, there is hereby imposed for each taxable year on the gross investment income (within the meaning of section 4940(c)(2)) derived from sources within the United States (within the meaning of section 861) by every foreign organization which is a private foundation for the taxable year a tax equal to 4 percent of such income.

In a related citation:

CONFORMITY OF AMENDMENTS MADE BY FOREIGN INVESTORS TAX ACT OF 1966 WITH TREATY OBLIGATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES

Section 110 of title I of Pub. L. 89-809 provided that: ''No amendment made by this title (see Short Title note above) shall apply in any case where its application would be contrary to any treaty obligation of the United States. For purposes of the preceding sentence, the extension of a benefit provided by any amendment made by this title shall not be deemed to be contrary to a treaty obligation of the United States.''

30 posted on 04/20/2004 10:00:28 AM PDT by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: mvpel
Sorry for the duplication of items already answered (better, IMHO) by ancient_geezer - I replied to the post before returning to the thread.
31 posted on 04/20/2004 10:05:30 AM PDT by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: Poohbah
So far, you are making the case for the IRS.
32 posted on 04/20/2004 10:08:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Not a fan of the IRS...just one who recognizes that although the income tax is an unwise law, its unwisdom doesn't make it unconstitutional.
33 posted on 04/20/2004 10:32:03 AM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: freepatriot32
Bump for later
34 posted on 04/20/2004 5:06:42 PM PDT by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: Poohbah
Not true Poohbah.It does apply to everyones taxable income within the US.You must not had seen Larken Roses mini disc on the subject at www.861.info.The government is going nuts over the disc.Ron Paul and Joe Banister were on a CNBC SPECIAL REPORT the other nite and were telling the public the incometax is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.To listen to the report go to www.hearliberty.com and scroll down until you see the special report.
35 posted on 05/09/2004 4:53:32 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: ancient_geezer
We need to end the incometax and not replace it with anything.We need no head taxes at all because they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
36 posted on 05/09/2004 4:56:55 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: taxtruth

We need to end the incometax

True:

"A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man's business; the eye of the federal inspector will be in every man's counting house....The law will of necessity have inquisical features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hauled into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of federal inspectors, spies, and detectives will descend upon the state."
-- Virginian House Speaker Richard E. Byrd, 1910, predicting the consequences of an income tax.

I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it.

Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power.

Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them.

Alan Keyes 1999

 

and not replace it with anything.

***POOF*** all gone.

And just how do you propose to get this magical thing done through Congress?

 

James Madison, Elliots Debates Vol 3 p128:

Federalist #12:

 


We need no head taxes at all because they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

If you are speaking of "Poll" taxes that are made a requirement for voting, that is true by the XXIV Amendment.

However, a general "Head" tax otherwise known as capitation taxes are allowed under the Constitution if applied by the rule of apportionment and the right to vote is not predicated on their payment.

head tax
: a tax that imposes the same amount of tax on every individual in a class or group

 

Constitution for the United States of America:

Article I Section 2 clause 3: "Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers"

Article I Section 9 clause 4: "No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

OTOH I would submit there are perfectly good reasons for no "head taxes" even if they are technically possible under the Constitution. In fact superior alternatives to such abound and is why"head taxes" are no longer used by the national government:

[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, XIII,c.14:]

Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention June 12, 1788:

Federalist #12:

Since, head and other direct (e.g. land) taxes are not the only taxes authorized under the Constitution.

Constitution for the United States of America:

Article I Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,
to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;
but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; "

Hylton v. United States(1796), 3 U.S. 171

  • "A general power is given to Congress, to lay and collect taxes, of every kind or nature, without any restraint, except only on exports; but two rules are prescribed for their government, namely, uniformity and apportionment: Three kinds of taxes, to wit, duties, imposts, and excises by the first rule, and capitation, or other direct taxes, by the second rule. "
  • "the present Constitution was particularly intended to affect individuals, and not states, except in particular cases specified: And this is the leading distinction between the articles of Confederation and the present Constitution."
  • "Uniformity is an instant operation on individuals, without the intervention of assessments, or any regard to states,"
  • "[T]he DIRECT TAXES contemplated by the Constitution, are only two, to wit, A CAPITATION OR POLL TAX, simply, without regard to property, profession, or any other circumstance; and a tax on LAND."
  •  

    KNOWLTON v. MOORE, 178 U.S. 41 (1900)

    BROMLEY v. MCCAUGHN, 280 U.S. 124 (1929)

    Tyler v. U.S. 281 U.S. 497, 502 (1930)

    laid principally upon the activities and transactions of commerce:

    The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787
    (Farrand's Records)
    James Mchenry before the Maryland House of Delegates.
    Maryland Novr. 29th 1787--
    Appendix A, CXLVIa, page 149, S9.

    "Convention have also provided against any direct or Capitation Tax but according to an equal proportion among the respective States: This was thought a necessary precaution though it was the idea of every one that government would seldom have recourse to direct Taxation, and that the objects of Commerce would be more than Sufficient to answer the common exigencies of State and should further supplies be necessary, the power of Congress would not be exercised while the respective States would raise those supplies in any other manner more suitable to their own inclinations --"

    A LAW DICTIONARY
    by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

    "COMMERCE, trade, contracts
    .
    The exchange of commodities for commodities; considered in a legal point of view, it consists in the various agreements which have for their object to facilitate the exchange of the products of the earth or industry of man, with an intent to realize a profit. Pard. Dr. Coin. n. 1. In a narrower sense, commerce signifies any reciprocal agreements between two persons, by which one delivers to the other a thing, which the latter accepts, and for which he pays a consideration; if the consideration be money, it is called a sale; if any other thing than money, it is called exchange or barter. Domat, Dr. Pub. liv. 1, tit. 7, s. 1, n. "

    A LAW DICTIONARY
    by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

    DUTIES.
    In its most enlarged sense, this word is nearly equivalent to taxes, embracing all impositions or charges levied on persons or things;

    A LAW DICTIONARY
    by John Bouvier, Revised Sixth Edition, 1856:

    EXCISES.
    This word is used to signify an inland imposition, paid sometimes upon the consumption of the commodity, and frequently upon the retail sale.


    37 posted on 05/09/2004 11:07:07 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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    To: freepatriot32
    The jury sent back a question to the judge asking to see the codes that directly stated Simkanin was required to withhold. (Some of the defendant's ideas clearly had gotten through.) The judge told them simply to trust him when he said the law required Simkanin to withhold -- essentially directing the verdict,

    this fascist judge needs to not only be impeached today he need s to go to prison himself

    That is exactly what I thought when I read this. We've got to get rid of these Judges. Judicial tyranny is out of control. Too many of them are legislating from the bench these days.

    I think Mr. Schultz and his followers are true American Patriots. We must support them. IF we are ever going to go to a tax system that's fair, these are the people who are going to make it happen.

    38 posted on 05/09/2004 12:02:26 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore, I am perfect.)
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    To: NRA2BFree

    IF we are ever going to go to a tax system that's fair, these are the people who are going to make it happen.

    The only people that can ever make it happen are those whom we elect to do so, in Congress. By the way those judges you complain about have told us that repeatedly.

    A lower level court judge cannot call a law unconstitutional that on its face is. Nor can they tell a jury a law does not exist that most certainly does:

     

    United States v. Melton, No. 94-5535 (4th Cir. 1996)
    ARGUED: Lowell Harrison Becraft, Jr.[one of Schulz & Co. legal beagles], Huntsville, Alabama, for Appellants.

    The jury heard not only the United States's evidence against the Meltons, but also the brothers' defense that they believed they were not "persons liable" for federal income tax. The jury rejected the excuse, however, and convicted them on nearly all counts.

    • [Subtitle A] "Section 1 of the Internal Revenue Code imposes a federal tax on the taxable income of every individual.
      26 U.S.C. s 1."
    • [Subtitle A] "Section 63 defines "taxable income" as gross income minus allowable deductions."
      26 U.S.C. s 63.
    • [Subtitle A] Section 61 states that "gross income means all income from whatever source derived," including compensation for services.
      26 U.S.C. s 61.
    • [Subtitle F] Sections 6001 and 6011 provide that a person must keep records and file a tax return for any tax for which he is liable.
      26 U.S.C. ss 6001
      26 U.S.C. ss 6011.
    • Finally, section 6012 provides that every individual having gross income that equals or exceeds the exemption amount in a taxable year shall file an income tax return.
      26 U.S.C. s 6012.

    The duty to pay federal income taxes therefore is "manifest on the face of the statutes, without any resort to IRS rules, forms or regulations." United States v. Bowers, 920 F.2d 220, 222 (4th Cir.1990). The rarely recognized proposition that, "where the law is vague or highly debatable, a defendant--actually or imputedly--lacks the requisite intent to violate it," Mallas, 762 F.2d at 363 (quoting United States v. Critzer, 498 F.2d 1160, 1162 (4th Cir.1974)), simply does not apply here.

    Each Melton brother had gross income in excess of the amount requiring the filing of a return in each of the years at issue. Therefore, each was a "person liable."


    39 posted on 05/09/2004 12:38:12 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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    To: ancient_geezer
    We will not sink AG as you think.We will hold steadfast.You are not an AMERICAN PATRIOT,You are a political NO NOTHING.You stand for zero in the 50 states.
    We make no deals with uncle sammy but YOU DO.They are liars and cheaters that have lied to the American people.
    Are you on THEIR side ag?The tables have turned ag.

    40 posted on 05/09/2004 1:00:30 PM PDT by taxtruth
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