An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)

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[clamper1797]

You Sir are the one who is NOT a Republican ... look up Libertarian ... an UnAmerican one at that

[Havoc]

The government forcing someone to hire an american worker, at the expense of their company, is tyranny. You may be a Republican but you certainly are not conservative.

Oh, I'm conservative as they come. But thanks for misrepresenting what I said. Policy has put businesses in the position of outsourcing or losing their contracts because others have already done it and are bidding against these companies based on the slave labor rates they can get overseas. So, yes, the Government is indirectly reponsible for what is happening. I didn't pass Nafta and I didn't do away with Anti-dumping laws or pull an endrun around the constitution for all this free-traitor crap. I did my job. And for it, I'm being handed my hat.

[Rockitz]

Ouch! Ping for later response.

[bikerman]

Quit your whining and sniveling reach down and grab your boot strapes and start over in a job or trade that wont be taken over by a Mexican or someone else been their done that 35 years in the electronics field. Time for a change doing truck driving for an oil company and loving it.

[clamper1797]

Dont worry, Im sure the free traitors will show up on this thread soon and explain how this is actually a GOOD thing, probably using a buggy-whip maker analogy. Or maybe the ice delivery man vs. refrigerators (false) analogy. And don't forget the ever-popular bromides (slaps-in-the-face):
1. Start your own business (with no money)
2. Relocate to where the work is (where is that, India?)
3. Get a job, any job (just throw away everything you ever learned or worked to have)
4. If they can't adapt, screw 'em (i.e., let them eat cake)

See how easy it is to view things from the black-and-white free trade mantra point of view (especially if you are not the one hit...yet)?

Don't forget

#6. I save a couple of cents on the dollar screwing my fellow Americans

or

#7 MY job depends on screwing fellow Americans out of their jobs

Or

#8 The're not YOUR jobs ... they belong to the company (all the while neglecting to acknowledge whose tax money went into building the roads and other infrastructure which enable that the company to function and whose blood was given in protection of their free traitor a$$es

Yes Benedick ... they are OUR jobs (spelling on purpose)

[BrooklynGOP]

My 2 cents. I was born and spent part of my childhood in the Soviet Union. The gov't, pretty much, guaranteed everyone a job and there was virtually no unemployment and everything was subsidized. That meant that while the average monthly salary was 150-200 roubles (mid 80's), a brand new car went for 6,000 (no cheaper) - 9,000 roubles.
Any questions?

[Havoc]

I love my job at EDS and my bosses have treated me like Gold in my local facility. I consistently outperform my requirements and they actually gave me a raise after announcing I was losing my job. A little gauling and befuddling; but, ok.

And I worked for Walmart for 4 years as assistant dept manager over a 3-4 million a year electronics dept. It took me 4 years to get from the hire in rate to 7.50 an hour for the same reason they wouldn't hire more than a skeleton crew in the store I was in. They are bigger tightwads than anyplace I ever worked for in my life. How many electronics stores would have the gaul to tell you after 4 years you weren't worth more than 7.50 an hour to them when McDonalds across the street was hiring at 7.50 an hour. Unless Walmart has changed their operational practices, I wouldn't send my dog to work there.

[clamper1797]

Free traitor Platitude #3 3. Get a job, any job (just throw away everything you ever learned or worked to have)

[lelio]

Hey, didn't EDS lose $1.6 Billion last year on the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet? You would think that a company could make money on the biggest IT contract in history....unless they overdid an underbid.

An interesting writeup of this was in a recent Wall Street Journal. In a nutshell: there were no controls on the contract.

For example, the Navy ordered desktops for some people. Well the individuals that would of received them said that they wanted laptops. However EDS already ordered the desktop and configured it. EDS pretty much had to eat that and order a laptop. Do that enought times and you have a warehouse full of desktops that can't be unloaded.

There were other logastical problems too, like EDS contractors being denied entry onto a military base as they lacked credentials. While that's not a major obsticle, its another sign that there was a lack of attention to detail.

[Havoc]

Right, start a new business with nothing while I'm going bankrupt and losing my home. That sounds like it will work. Heard this one before too. Care to shine light on how a guy trying to save the money to put new water lines in before he loses his job can afford retraining, schooling in general - or - much less - STARTING A NEW BUSINESS. Do you guys think before saying this stuff. And yes, the government is responsible. The policy of the government lost me my job due to forces that would not have otherwise been there. I don't think the government owes me much more than the constitution provides; but, it does owe me more than pulling the rug out from under me when I get on my feet.

[clamper1797]

But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade. ...

Karl Marx

[ARCADIA]

No offense, but now that you've got this off your chest, what exactly do you want President Bush to do about it? P.S. President Clinton was the one who signed NAFTA.

Perhaps President Bush should repeal it.

I am all for free trade; But, not at the expense of my country.

[Mr. Bird]

One thing many IT people don't take into consideration is that the great successes in the industry have pushed a lot of the occupations into obsolescence. I can do things from my desk today that may have required five employees just 10 years ago. And at least one of those five would have been a techie to do things my machine does now.

IT departments were golden, invaluable to businesses just a few short years ago. What does it tell you that some of these same businesses will now entrust the function to Mexican workers, hardly the cream of the academic crop?

I honestly hope you bounce back and enjoy great future success.

[Random Access]

I have really bad news. I heard they are going to start outsourcing whining. You're screwed.

[kevkrom]

Right, start a new business with nothing while I'm going bankrupt and losing my home.

The government is responsible for you over-extending yourself to the point you can't keep afloat with unemployment compensation long enough to stop whining and start doing something?

[clamper1797]

Don't worry my friend companies have started hiring Americans again ... I'm finally back to work designing chip again after my long downtime. I know it's tough (been there) but don't listen to these braying jackass free traitors ... they will eventually have their time too.

[brownsfan]

You may be a Republican but you certainly are not conservative. Good luck finding new employment.

Wrong. He may be a Republican, but he's not a free traitor.