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U.S. to defend Muslim girl wearing scarf in school
CNN Washington Bureau ^ | 03/30/04 | Terry Frieden

Posted on 03/30/2004 7:21:30 PM PST by coffeebreak

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Justice Department announced Tuesday the government's civil rights lawyers have jumped into a legal case to support a Muslim girl's right to wear a head scarf in a public school.

Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Alex Acosta said government lawyers would support 11-year-old Nashala Hearn, a sixth-grade student who has sued the Muskogee, Oklahoma, Public School District for ordering her to remove her head scarf, or hijab, because it violated the dress code of the Benjamin Franklin Science Academy, which she attended.

The girl continued to wear her hijab to school and was subsequently suspended twice for doing so. The family appealed the suspensions, which were upheld by a district administrative hearing committee.

Her parents filed suit against the Muskogee School District last October.

On Tuesday the federal government filed a motion in a federal court in Muskogee to intervene in support of Nashala's position.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bigotsrus; civilrights; doj; dresscode; hijab; lawsuit; muslimamericans; muslimstudents; muslimwomen; religiousfreedom
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To: spunkets
The purpose of govm't is to protect rights. This girls rights and being violated. You missed that. You also missed the cash value of the time wasted by the yokels violating this girls rights and the amount wasted defending their rights violations in court

I missed nothing, you apparently missed everything.  I was pointing out the fact that the "U.S." foots the bill, in other words, the taxpayers.  Nowhere did I suggest what is/or should be a standard or precedent.  Regardless of one's point of view of this argument, taxpayers finance these fights.  In the end, it is a waste - hence my point.
101 posted on 03/30/2004 10:30:17 PM PST by quantim (Victory must be absolute, it cannot be relative.)
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To: coffeebreak
I'll put the way I feel on the matter in this way:

Common sense dictates that when the French do something, it's best to do the clear opposite.

Let the little girl keep her head scarf. We're better than they are over there. There are better grounds to win this battle than this one.
102 posted on 03/30/2004 10:36:44 PM PST by William Martel
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To: blueriver
The problem here is the girl is a Negro and was probably born here in the USA. Her parents are muslim "wanna-be's". I wish these idiots would realize that if the Islamics take over, the blacks will be put to death even faster than the Jews and Christians.
103 posted on 03/30/2004 10:36:59 PM PST by Momma Lou
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To: quantim
"Nowhere did I suggest what is/or should be a standard or precedent. Regardless of one's point of view of this argument, taxpayers finance these fights. In the end, it is a waste - hence my point."

You still missed it. The tax is paid the feds to protect rights. The tax is paid to the school to educate. The school chose to use tax money to violate rights and now the feds have to do their job thay are paid for.

You think there should be no government?

104 posted on 03/30/2004 10:43:14 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Weimdog
Bump
105 posted on 03/30/2004 10:46:48 PM PST by Clock King
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To: spunkets
The tax is paid the feds to protect rights

Tax paid by who?  A selective "group?"  This should not even be an issue.  I do not want MY tax dollars usurped to government lawyers to "protect" a special interest.  This is not the realm of education, or government.  You can finance any fight you want, but can't suck local tax dollars, ship it to D.C., then re-distribute it to advance a cause.  Do it on your own dime.

106 posted on 03/30/2004 11:04:37 PM PST by quantim (Victory must be absolute, it cannot be relative.)
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To: yonif
Nashala Hearn says she thinks it's unfair that other students can wear crosses but she can't wear her hijab.

In Saudi Arabia no one is allowed to wear a cross or have a bible in their possession. A friend at church just returned from three months there.

107 posted on 03/30/2004 11:15:46 PM PST by MarMema (Next Year in Constantinople!)
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To: TheBattman
As posted earlier - is this a RELIGIOUS garment or a CULTURAL garment? If the former - then you are correct. If the later is true, you are wrong.

Are the Ten Commandments a religious or cultural symbol? It's been part of our culture for hundreds of years. What about Christmas? Is swearing on the bible in court religious or cultural? If a student wears a cross but says they are not a Cristian does the cross just become a piece of jewelry?

If a Christian women goes to a Muslim country does she HAVE to wear a head scarf? I don't think so. I would argue that the head scarf is both religious and cultural because, like in the U.S., it's often quite difficult to separate the two.
108 posted on 03/31/2004 12:24:12 AM PST by coffeebreak
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To: coffeebreak
Just don't let anybody put a tablet with the Ten Commandments in front of the school where that girl wants to wear a Muslim scarf -- OH, No --- then the RATS would complain. Anti-Christian, Anti-American -- just like their Presidential Candidate -- Jean Francois Kerrie.
109 posted on 03/31/2004 3:39:33 AM PST by jrlc (Just for Kerry - STOP THE BUSH BASHING)
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To: coffeebreak
Nice. Let's see the Justice Department defend a kid that got kicked out of school for wearing a crucifix. I'm sure they'll do that right after they bring me breakfast in bed.
110 posted on 03/31/2004 4:13:05 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (All the good taglines are taken.)
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To: Fedora
So, Jews aren't covered by the Constitution? What country did you say you were from?
111 posted on 03/31/2004 4:16:38 AM PST by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: Dogbert41
If they want to wear that crap, do it back in their own damned country.

Do you have reason to believe they aren't U.S. citizens?

112 posted on 03/31/2004 4:29:30 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
If you actually know of a case where a student was thrown out of school for wearing a crucifix, there are a number of options for finding representation. I can put you in touch with the Rutherford Society, the Federalist Society, the ACLU, and can help run interference with the Justice Department, or if it's a Virginia I can help you myself - I am a Virginia lawyer with an interest in religious freedom cases.

What you need to be clear on in your mind is that there is a significant legal difference between cases where the state is attempting to establish religion, and cases where the state is attempting to interfere with religious freedom.

These cases involve different clauses in the First Amendment, and have completely different case law and completely different outcomes.

In religious freedom cases, like the right to wear a crucifix or hijab, it's the rights of the individual that are being interfered with by the state, and those are pretty much "slam dunk" winners for the individual against the state.

In establishment cases, like Ten Commandment cases, it's the state that is promoting religion, and those are pretty much
In those cases, again, they are pretty much "slam dunk" winners against the state, but for different reasons.

Governments are not supposed to be in the business of promoting religion NOR suppressing it. That's it in a nutshell.
113 posted on 03/31/2004 5:43:36 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: coffeebreak
This is outrageous. The federal government is protecting the rights of everyone except christians.


And to think we put them in power.
114 posted on 03/31/2004 5:43:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: quantim
" I do not want MY tax dollars usurped to government lawyers to "protect" a special interest. This is not the realm of education, or government. You can finance any fight you want, but can't suck local tax dollars, ship it to D.C., then re-distribute it to advance a cause."

The purpose of govm't is to protect rights, not some etherial generalization titled, "special interests." In particular to protect the rights of the individual from any and all others who act to infringe upon them.

115 posted on 03/31/2004 5:58:49 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Fedora
The Constitution protects free religious exercise except where Establishment is being violated. Where precisely in the Constitution is "religion" defined in a manner which excludes Islam?

As I'd argue it, the key point at issue is what the Constitution means by "religion" in the phrase "establishment of religion".

Don't forget "free exercise thereof".
The context of this phrase includes the wider context of the Declaration of Independence, which opens with references to "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" and to men being "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights".
Leaving aside the question of whether or not the Constitution's context can be said to include a document it does not reference in any way, these are phrases that could be uttered by a Muslim without real fear of heresy.
This, as may be verified in the writings of the framers of the Constitution, is referring to the 18th-century concept of natural law and the underlying tradition of natural rights extending back through John Locke to Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, the Sermon on the Mount, and ultimately, the Ten Commandments. In this tradition the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule are considered to embody certain principles which are the foundation of a just social order. These principles are common to Judaism and Christianity and are alluded to in the Declaration of Independence's phrase "unalienable Rights", which are the "Rights" the "Bill of Rights" is enumerating. This is not excluding non-Christian religions (cf. my Post #24); it is, however, excluding religious practices based on principles which radically depart from the principles common to Judaism and Christianity that derive from natural rights (thus, for instance, to take an extreme example, the Constitution would not protect a religious practice involving ritual murder).
Again, it does not say so. It merely says "religion". Madison's point was that any suppression of religion at all opens the door to any which can be conceived. Actions may be proscribed, and certainly government preference prohibited. But the rules must be the same for all faiths, or lack thereof.

Certainly your theory would suggest that atheism and areligion are not protected, while the Courts have ruled most emphatically that they are. But more to the point is your reference towards Islam. Islam proclaims that it worships the same God as Christianity. Both the leader and the official doctrine of the largest Christian sect in the US and the world proclaim agreement. Jesus of Nazareth himself has higher status in the Islamic faith than the Jewish. Your claim that Islam is not protected because it is not close enough to Christianity fails all applicable tests: the legal, the historic, and the theological.

Also, the Bill of Rights is addressing states' rights issues and protecting the right of individual states not to have their established religions infringed upon by the federal government (keep in mind that the states originally had established religions), whereas the legal argument in the case in question is attempting to have the federal government impose Islam on a non-federal level of the educational system.
The states may no longer have established religions as the Fourteenth Amendment applied the limitations of the Bill of Rights to all levels of government. I know some deny the validity of this, but it is as accepted a part of modern law as judicial review. I would also submit that its a good thing, and that were it not already considered part of law an Amendment to do it more explicitly would pass easily.
Note that I am not arguing the Constitution only protects Christianity; I am arguing that Judaism and Christianity are the paradigm of what the Bill of Rights protects, and when Islam attempts to claim rights which step outside that paradigm, it steps outside the protection of the Constitution. Christians do not have a Constitutional right to violate school dress codes--why should Islam?
My point is that they do: dress codes should only exist to maintain order and the forbidding of passive displays such as crosses, yamulkes (sic) and Islamic veils represents protected free exercise. Rather than pandering to the anti-Islamic bigotry of the ignorant that is clear from some of the other posts in this thread (not yours), I would think that Christian organizations would support this girl.

-Eric

116 posted on 03/31/2004 6:05:00 AM PST by E Rocc (Democrats are to the economy what Round-up is to grass.)
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To: jrlc
"Just don't let anybody put a tablet with the Ten Commandments in front of the school "

The school is not a Christian and can't exercise any religious beliefs. If the commandments appear at all, it can only be as a historical, cultural, or community display, not connected to the school and dependent on it's funding source for existance.

117 posted on 03/31/2004 6:07:09 AM PST by spunkets
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To: YoSoy2
Nay. It's better these people are never allowed to set foot in our country.
You're going to kick people that were born in this country out because of their religion?

-Eric

118 posted on 03/31/2004 6:12:34 AM PST by E Rocc (Democrats are to the economy what Round-up is to grass.)
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To: FreeReign
The Muskogee schools will need to prove why it is necessary to prohibit all students, irregardless of religion, from wearing hats, caps, bandannas or jacket hoods inside their buildings.
The excuse is "gang activity", the catch-all public schools use these days. I wonder if they'd ban ties if one of the gangs started dressing like P-Diddy.

-Eric

119 posted on 03/31/2004 6:16:10 AM PST by E Rocc (Democrats are to the economy what Round-up is to grass.)
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To: CobaltBlue
I believe that the teacher who wore the cross was represented by the Rutherford Institute, but if she had asked the ACLU to represent her, they probably would have.
Guess what I found:

Rutherford Institute Attorneys File Suit in District Court in Defense of Muslim Girl’s Right to Wear Religious Head Covering to School

MUSKOGEE, Okla.—Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute have filed suit in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Oklahoma on behalf of an 11-year-old Muslim girl who was twice suspended by school officials for wearing a religious head covering. Institute attorneys argue that the school’s actions violated Nashala Hearn’s rights to free speech, free exercise of religion and due process as guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Institute attorneys are asking the court to declare the school’s dress code policy to be unconstitutionally vague. The lawsuit also seeks to require school officials to revise the dress code to accommodate the religious dress of their students and expunge Nashala’s educational record of the two suspensions.

Nashala Hearn, along with her family, are followers of the Islamic faith, which requires females to wear a headscarf called a “hijab” in public places, a requirement Nashala has consistently followed in expressing her commitment to her sincerely-held Islamic religious beliefs. This fall, Nashala began attending the sixth grade at Benjamin Franklin Science Academy, a public middle school in Muskogee, Okla. On September 11, 2003, Nashala was informed by her principal that she would no longer be permitted to wear her hijab to school, because it was prohibited by the school dress code. Institute attorneys have pointed out that while the dress code prohibits “hats, caps, bandannas, plastic caps, and hoods on jackets inside the [school] building,” it makes no mention of hijabs or any other kind of religious head covering. Despite the principal’s warning, Nashala continued to wear the hijab to school in keeping with her religious beliefs. On October 1, 2003, Nashala was suspended from school for three days. Upon returning to school on October 7 after serving the suspension, Nashala was once again suspended, this time for five days. Although Nashala has been allowed to return to school until the matter is resolved and continues to wear the hijab, she is subject to sanction under the school dress code at the whim of her principal and other school authorities.

“School districts that pay lip service to pluralism and diversity but send a message of exclusion to religious adherents whose faith imposes certain dress requirements repudiate those same values in practice,” stated John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “The First Amendment exists to protect the devoutly religious, such as Muslims, Orthodox Jews and Christians, from such unconstitutional discrimination.”

The Rutherford Institute is an international, nonprofit civil liberties organization committed to defending constitutional and human rights.

Gotta love how they first made an issue of it three weeks into the school year, on September 11th.

-Eric

120 posted on 03/31/2004 6:19:54 AM PST by E Rocc (Democrats are to the economy what Round-up is to grass.)
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