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Vatican Worries About Kerry
NewsMax.com ^ | 3/28/04 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/29/2004 12:38:30 AM PST by kattracks

John Kerry's support for abortion and gay marriage, both condemned as mortal sins by the Roman Catholic Church, is raising serious concerns in the Vatican over the clear apostasy of a nominal American Catholic politician.

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry, and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion," a Vatican official and an American told Time magazine.

Taking such positions at odds with Church teaching could subject Kerry to excommunication, but the Massachusetts senator says he's comfortable with his stands even when they conflict with the doctrines of the Church to which he claims allegiance.

"I don't think it complicates things at all," Kerry told Time Saturday, the first article in which he has discussed his faith extensively. "We have a separation of church and state in this country. As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President."

Time, however, noted that there are huge differences between the time in which Kennedy ran and today. When Kennedy ran for president in 1960, Time recalls, "a candidate could go through an entire campaign without ever having to declare his position on abortion – much less stem cells, cloning or gay marriage. It was before Roe v. Wade, bioethics, school vouchers, gay rights and a host of other social issues became the ideological fault lines that divide the two political parties and also divide some Catholics from their church."

Kerry, a former altar boy who Time says complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass and receives Communion, describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic."

In the face of that declaration, however, last week he went out of his way to show up on the Senate floor to vote against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act ("Laci and Connor's Law"), a bill that would make harming an unborn child during the commission of a crime a separate offense. The bill was named for Laci Peterson and her unborn son, Connor, who were murdered.

As Time observed, Kerry's vote put him squarely on the same side as abortion industry supporters in opposing specific legal rights for the unborn – and against nearly two-thirds of his fellow senators and the great majority of Americans.

Kerry told Time his Catholic faith was instilled in him in childhood. He even took the opportunity to raise the subject of his four months of service in Vietnam once again, claiming that he wore a rosary around his neck when involved in combat operations.

When Kerry got home, however, he admits to having gone through what he described to Time as a "period of a little bit of anger and agnosticism, but subsequently, I did a lot of reading and a lot of thinking and really came to understand how all those terrible things fit."

Kerry and other nominally Catholic politicians insist that their religious faith does not oblige them to follow the tenets of their Church when acting as elected representatives. As Time notes, politicians taking that position provoked New York's Archbishop John Cardinal O'Connor in 1984 to chastise then-New York Gov. Mario Cuomo and Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro for being in favor of abortion.

Times have changed. In response to the demands of huge numbers of the Roman Catholic faithful that Catholic bishops in America clamp down on politicians thumbing their noses at Church doctrine in their public lives, the Church is, as Time notes, getting tougher.

Last year, for example the Vatican issued a "doctrinal note" warning Catholic lawmakers that they have a "grave and clear obligation to oppose any law that attacks human life. For them, as for every Catholic, it is impossible to promote such laws or to vote for them."

Moreover, when Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him "not to present himself for Communion" — an ostracism, Time explained, that Canon Law 915 reserves for "those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." A defiant Kerry told Time that regarding his planned trip to St. Louis last Sunday, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."

According to Time, most Catholic officials believe that the Church's response to Kerry's candidacy will vary from diocese to diocese. "You may not see many Catholic bishops appearing at Kerry photo ops this campaign season, and there's a possibility of some uncomfortable moments on the trail. All you need is a picture of Kerry going up to the Communion rail and being denied, and you've got a story that'll last for weeks," Father Thomas Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America, told Time.

Even in his own Boston archdiocese, Kerry will face his newly hard-nosed archbishop, Sean O'Malley, who, although he has given Kerry Communion in the past, now says that Catholic politicians who do not vote in line with Church teachings "shouldn't dare come to Communion."

Being banned from receiving the Eucharist is excommunication.

Said Kerry, "I don't tell church officials what to do, and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."

As Crisis magazine noted last May, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in November 1998 released a pastoral letter, "Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics," that castigated Catholic politicians for supporting abortion and euthanasia.

On Jan. 16, Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, president of the USCCB, issued a statement welcoming the doctrinal note issued by the Vatican that denounced Catholic politicians who favor abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage and human cloning. Said Bishop Gregory, "Catholic politicians cannot subscribe to any notion which equates freedom or democracy with a moral relativism that denies these moral principles.”

Both of these statements flow naturally from the seriousness the Catholic hierarchy attaches to abortion in particular. As early as 1975, the bishops described the right to life as "among basic human rights."



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; catholicpoliticians; catholicvote; kerry; kerryandgod; vatican
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To: zbigreddogz
I don't actually think that would be good from a religious standpoint, I believe it's more important to be inclusive and let God sort out the rest,

The purpose of a public excommunication is to remind a public, flagrant, and unrepentant sinner that he is, in fact, publicly, flagrantly, and unrepentantly sinning. It is hoped that by excommunicating him he will be called to repentance (excommunication can be lifted), and that the faithful (and the unfaithful as well) will not be scandalized by his behaviour. Mr. Kerry's behaviour is certainly causing public scandal.

41 posted on 03/29/2004 7:36:13 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: ArrogantBustard
When this hypocrite threw in the line of wearing a rosary around his neck during his tour of vietnam right then and there he proved he has no knowledge of the rules of the CATHOLIC church ,they are to be keeped in your pocket or if you are a PRIEST or NUN they are worn around the waist, the little people of the church remember these nuances.
42 posted on 03/29/2004 7:58:13 AM PST by douglas1 (i CANNOT IMAGINE)
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To: kattracks
I would have to ask if kerry is allowed to recieve the host then why cant I, why cant a lot of people who have married outside the church recieve the host, I could never go to the alter and accept the body of CHRIST ,where does kerry get off doing this ,once I married outside the church I was no longer a CATHOLIC ,I tried to rectify the problem and it did not work out ,so maybe the church is worried thata lot of people out there like myself will follow kerrys lead ,I cannot believe that anyone would knowingly try to decieve CHRIST.
43 posted on 03/29/2004 8:14:20 AM PST by douglas1 (i CANNOT IMAGINE)
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To: hobbes1
Do you think any diocese would consider an October surprise?
44 posted on 03/29/2004 8:22:41 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: secret garden
No.....sadly.
45 posted on 03/29/2004 8:25:05 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: sweetliberty; billbears
To them, God is just a convenient campaign tool.

You are right on, s/l.

46 posted on 03/29/2004 8:25:08 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: kattracks
Kerry gets upset when his staff doesn't leave time in his schedule for him to go to mass? Yeah, right. Excuse me while I go puke. He came to mass a week ago ten minutes late and wearing a ski suit.
47 posted on 03/29/2004 8:26:08 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: TrueBeliever9
"...a picture of Kerry going up to the Communion rail and being denied, and you've got a story that'll last for weeks," Father Thomas Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America, told Time."

The priest should not give him communion, but offer him a blessing. That is what is done for non-Catholics; they approach the priest at communion in a different posture (arms crossed) to receive a blessing instead. Then the church can issue a statement that he is not to receive communion, not in good standing, but that the church is praying he will repent. That approach would avoid the image of him being "turned away." Of course, Kerry will probably try to turn the "blessing" into an endorsement by the Catholic church.

48 posted on 03/29/2004 8:31:05 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: hobbes1
I feel your pain. Seriously, with all the crapola my church has been going through it can be very frustrating to watch people who are entrusted to lead just crumble when put to the test. However, their cowardice shouldn't stop our efforts. The letter writing and public questioning will continue.
49 posted on 03/29/2004 8:32:33 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: zbigreddogz
I don't actually think that would be good from a religious standpoint, I believe it's more important to be inclusive and let God sort out the rest, but it would be great from an election point of view.

Then why have any standards in a faith at all? If church should just be "inclusive," then why speak out against any conduct... adultery, racism, abortion, homosexuality, anything? I am sure there are faiths that adopt this point of view, but I think it is up to people who believe in that approach to seek out and embrace those faith(s). Kerry should stop proclaiming himself a Catholic and find a faith consistent with his own views. Saying he's a Catholic and defying the most basic tenets of the church shows the standard John Kerry mixture of hypocrisy and arrogance.

50 posted on 03/29/2004 8:36:59 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

An Old Testament, Litany of Life
Canon Law and Abortion
Sign Petition: To Excommunicate
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS
 

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS
 

Guidelines for Education within the Family
THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR THE FAMILY
THE TRUTH AND MEANING OF HUMAN SEXUALITY

Catechism on Homosexuality

51 posted on 03/29/2004 10:28:13 AM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
In John F'ing Kerry's world....on any given Sunday he is:

HE IS NOT a ROMAN CATHOLIC that explains his spitting on the Pope.

53 posted on 03/29/2004 10:38:23 AM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Northern Yankee; NYer
Oh really... I guess John then it means you don't have to subscribe to the doctrine of the church, or the teachings of Christ, or the Ten Commandments. It crimps your style, John?

That's exactly right. He should be excommunicated.

54 posted on 03/29/2004 7:35:08 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
He should be excommunicated. Agreed!

I'm not going to hold my breath. (Maybe we could get Archbishop Burke elected Pope? *Grins*)

Archbishop Burke was our Bishop in this diocease. He took a lot of flack from a lot of people (Including Catholics that I know) for telling many local politicians that they need to follow church doctrine if they expect to receive the sacraments.

Many blasted the church for its "unforgiving attitude" when they completely misunderstood the intent.

The church is looking for the salvation of the soul, more so than pleasing groups of voters. I don't understand why many don't get this?

55 posted on 03/30/2004 4:07:17 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( "Behold Mother... I make all things new." - Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: Northern Yankee
"I don't understand why many don't get this?"

Because they don't want to get it. Sad, but true.
56 posted on 04/01/2004 9:08:12 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Father, forgive me, for I know not what I do.)
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