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Vatican Worries About Kerry
NewsMax.com ^ | 3/28/04 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/29/2004 12:38:30 AM PST by kattracks

John Kerry's support for abortion and gay marriage, both condemned as mortal sins by the Roman Catholic Church, is raising serious concerns in the Vatican over the clear apostasy of a nominal American Catholic politician.

"People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry, and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion," a Vatican official and an American told Time magazine.

Taking such positions at odds with Church teaching could subject Kerry to excommunication, but the Massachusetts senator says he's comfortable with his stands even when they conflict with the doctrines of the Church to which he claims allegiance.

"I don't think it complicates things at all," Kerry told Time Saturday, the first article in which he has discussed his faith extensively. "We have a separation of church and state in this country. As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President."

Time, however, noted that there are huge differences between the time in which Kennedy ran and today. When Kennedy ran for president in 1960, Time recalls, "a candidate could go through an entire campaign without ever having to declare his position on abortion – much less stem cells, cloning or gay marriage. It was before Roe v. Wade, bioethics, school vouchers, gay rights and a host of other social issues became the ideological fault lines that divide the two political parties and also divide some Catholics from their church."

Kerry, a former altar boy who Time says complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass and receives Communion, describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic."

In the face of that declaration, however, last week he went out of his way to show up on the Senate floor to vote against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act ("Laci and Connor's Law"), a bill that would make harming an unborn child during the commission of a crime a separate offense. The bill was named for Laci Peterson and her unborn son, Connor, who were murdered.

As Time observed, Kerry's vote put him squarely on the same side as abortion industry supporters in opposing specific legal rights for the unborn – and against nearly two-thirds of his fellow senators and the great majority of Americans.

Kerry told Time his Catholic faith was instilled in him in childhood. He even took the opportunity to raise the subject of his four months of service in Vietnam once again, claiming that he wore a rosary around his neck when involved in combat operations.

When Kerry got home, however, he admits to having gone through what he described to Time as a "period of a little bit of anger and agnosticism, but subsequently, I did a lot of reading and a lot of thinking and really came to understand how all those terrible things fit."

Kerry and other nominally Catholic politicians insist that their religious faith does not oblige them to follow the tenets of their Church when acting as elected representatives. As Time notes, politicians taking that position provoked New York's Archbishop John Cardinal O'Connor in 1984 to chastise then-New York Gov. Mario Cuomo and Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro for being in favor of abortion.

Times have changed. In response to the demands of huge numbers of the Roman Catholic faithful that Catholic bishops in America clamp down on politicians thumbing their noses at Church doctrine in their public lives, the Church is, as Time notes, getting tougher.

Last year, for example the Vatican issued a "doctrinal note" warning Catholic lawmakers that they have a "grave and clear obligation to oppose any law that attacks human life. For them, as for every Catholic, it is impossible to promote such laws or to vote for them."

Moreover, when Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him "not to present himself for Communion" — an ostracism, Time explained, that Canon Law 915 reserves for "those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." A defiant Kerry told Time that regarding his planned trip to St. Louis last Sunday, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."

According to Time, most Catholic officials believe that the Church's response to Kerry's candidacy will vary from diocese to diocese. "You may not see many Catholic bishops appearing at Kerry photo ops this campaign season, and there's a possibility of some uncomfortable moments on the trail. All you need is a picture of Kerry going up to the Communion rail and being denied, and you've got a story that'll last for weeks," Father Thomas Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America, told Time.

Even in his own Boston archdiocese, Kerry will face his newly hard-nosed archbishop, Sean O'Malley, who, although he has given Kerry Communion in the past, now says that Catholic politicians who do not vote in line with Church teachings "shouldn't dare come to Communion."

Being banned from receiving the Eucharist is excommunication.

Said Kerry, "I don't tell church officials what to do, and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."

As Crisis magazine noted last May, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in November 1998 released a pastoral letter, "Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics," that castigated Catholic politicians for supporting abortion and euthanasia.

On Jan. 16, Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, president of the USCCB, issued a statement welcoming the doctrinal note issued by the Vatican that denounced Catholic politicians who favor abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage and human cloning. Said Bishop Gregory, "Catholic politicians cannot subscribe to any notion which equates freedom or democracy with a moral relativism that denies these moral principles.”

Both of these statements flow naturally from the seriousness the Catholic hierarchy attaches to abortion in particular. As early as 1975, the bishops described the right to life as "among basic human rights."



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; catholicpoliticians; catholicvote; kerry; kerryandgod; vatican
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To: zbigreddogz
"but it would be great from an election point of view."

Oh, just like it was so bad for Clinton when he was asked not to associate hiomself with the Southern Baptist church. These RATs don't care. To them, God is just a convenient campaign tool.

21 posted on 03/29/2004 4:17:05 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: John Thornton; bimbo
'Follow the money.'
The Boston hierarchy has been in the wallets of Boston politicians since the last century.
22 posted on 03/29/2004 5:05:13 AM PST by NHResident
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To: hobbes1; dubyaismypresident; secret garden
ping.
23 posted on 03/29/2004 5:07:49 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: kattracks
I hate to see this happen, but somebody, either O'Malley or the Vatican, is going to have to publicly excommunicate Kerry. We haven't had a good public bull in a long time.

I don't particularly care about the annulment thing. I know enough people who's marriages were annulled or annulments rejected to know that they are granted for reasons that most people would not consider, i.e., one partner is unfit for it, there was never any intention on one side or another to remain married or faithful, refusal of children, etc. The grounds have never been exposed. They rarely are.

What bothers me is the posturing and using the label "Catholic" for political purposes. We are not to do that. We are to live our lives by a code stemming from he faith and at this point Kerry has demonstrated publicly that he has not and will not do that. I hope that O'Malley publicly rebukes him for that.
24 posted on 03/29/2004 5:10:21 AM PST by Desdemona (Contemplating kosher Easter cookies as seen on the Home Shopping Network.)
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To: kattracks
Well if they had done something about Teddy or the rest of the hypocritical Kennedy clan back when they may have some credibility

But they have been silent too long
25 posted on 03/29/2004 5:10:56 AM PST by uncbob
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To: kattracks
"...a picture of Kerry going up to the Communion rail and being denied, and you've got a story that'll last for weeks," Father Thomas Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America, told Time."

From his mouth to God's ears!

26 posted on 03/29/2004 5:11:51 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: kattracks
Well Al Querry just kissed some catholic votes good bye
27 posted on 03/29/2004 5:24:25 AM PST by 1903A3
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To: TrueBeliever9
Am I the only person to notice that Kerry is holier than thou when it comes to his idea of how we are to show our compassion toward the poor (through more government programs), quoting the Bible, right inside a church, and in the context of attcking his political opponents; but, when it comes to the official teachings on human life issues of the denomination to which he belongs, he says to church officials, butt out?

I should also point out that the Catholic Church, to which Kerry "happens to be" a member, does not teach his (Kerry's) doctrine of how we are to show our compassion toward the poor. The Catholic Church is totally o.k. with our American system and a variety of other systems, involving various mixes of public and private support for the poor. What is important is that we DO care for the poor. But, how we care for the poor, and how we distinguish between those deserving of our support and those who should support themselves, these are matters that we, each of us individually and as members of society, have to figure out.

Sometimes I think that the only thing bigger than Kerry's arrogance is his chin, and sometimes I think the opposite!
28 posted on 03/29/2004 5:30:34 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: kattracks
The Vatican is a witness to the withering of faith in Europe while socialist politicians and their public schools rose in triumph. Now shall the Vatican stand by while the same pukes repeat their sins in the United States where 60 million Catholics reside. The Vatican has everything to gain by denouncing Kerry.
29 posted on 03/29/2004 5:36:18 AM PST by reed_inthe_wind (Vienna said the middlemen come from Ger, Nether,Belg, S Af, Jap,Dub, Mal,USA,Rus,Chin,and Pak.)
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To: xsmommy
O'Malley plans to start enforcing his opinion after admittedly not doing so in the past and Kerry shows himself to think he is mightier than his church. smh
30 posted on 03/29/2004 5:52:24 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: kattracks
I hate to have to tell the folks at the Vatican, but Kerry's support for abortion and gay marriage is not the biggest concern they should have about him.
31 posted on 03/29/2004 6:00:21 AM PST by Savage Beast (Wasn't "Love Story" written about Kerry? Or was it "Washington Square"?)
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To: xsmommy
And considering that Kerry the A*hole, opened up the religious debate, I think it is time for someone to challenge him on the adhherence to his "alleged' faith.
32 posted on 03/29/2004 6:03:08 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: xsmommy
AND HERE IS A LEGITIMATE POINT TO BE RAISED.

Moreover, when Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him "not to present himself for Communion" — an ostracism, Time explained, that Canon Law 915 reserves for "those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." A defiant Kerry told Time that regarding his planned trip to St. Louis last Sunday, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."

So, then, it is OK for Candidate Kerry to put a priests standing with his Bishop in jeopardy, to suit his campaign purposes?

33 posted on 03/29/2004 6:05:43 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: dubyaismypresident
*ping above.
34 posted on 03/29/2004 6:06:20 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: zbigreddogz
He's been de facto excommunicated already, given his staunch pro-abortion position. According to Catholic doctrine, he has rejected Catholicism by being in favor of abortion. Thus, unless he seeks Penance and Reconciliation, he is not accepted as a member of the Church, and he CANNOT receive the sacrament of the Eucharist. If he does take communion, knowing that his pro-abortion stance is anathema to the Church, he not only compounds his sin but ridicules the Eucharist, which is blasphemy.
35 posted on 03/29/2004 6:06:44 AM PST by ought-six
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To: hobbes1
no. it is not ok. he needs excommunicated.
36 posted on 03/29/2004 6:07:06 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
Yes, right around Halloween.
37 posted on 03/29/2004 6:12:56 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1
If Jaque F. Kerry thinks he can pull his lame "bring it on" slogan with Bishop Burke, he's got another thing coming.
38 posted on 03/29/2004 6:13:00 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Hey John F'in. Kerry, why the long face?)
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To: kattracks
As early as 1975, the bishops described the right to life as "among basic human rights."
Among? Considering that life is the sine qua non of all other rights, I'm surprised the bishops didn't call the right to life the basic human right.
39 posted on 03/29/2004 6:40:35 AM PST by eastsider
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To: 1903A3
Well Al Querry just kissed some catholic votes good bye

I wish I could believe Kerry would lose some Catholic votes, but I think any Catholic who is seriously thinking of voting for the abortion-loving Kerry will not be dissuaded by anything that Kerry does or says regarding religion. Any self identified Catholic who could vote for Kerry has placed worldly interests ahead of his or her own soul.

Here's John F'n Kerry in his own words:

“Abortions need to be moved out of the fringes of medicine and into the mainstream of medical practice. And by the same token, if our children are to be safe from the danger of fanaticism, tolerance needs to spread out of the mainstream churches, mosques, and synagogues, and into the religious fringes." (from the congressional record)

"I am prepared to filibuster, if necessary, any Supreme Court nominee who would turn back the clock on a woman's right to choose [abortion]” (Drake Law School, 2003)

40 posted on 03/29/2004 6:57:01 AM PST by old and tired (Go Toomey! Send Specter back to the Highlands!)
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