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John Kerry and the International Socialist Party
naspino.com ^ | 03/19/2004 | NASPINO

Posted on 03/19/2004 6:46:03 PM PST by Naspino

I am only going to post an excerpt of the article because it is quite lengthy and includes a couple of images. I know excerpting is evil, but please do not post the entire article as a comment.

In the last presidential election, socialist candidates received one-one-hundredth of one percent of the total vote. It follows, then, that one can conclude socialism to be a vastly unpopular movement with in the United States of America. With that said, if John Kerry announced tomorrow that he intended to switch to the Socialist Party how would his platform change?

Perhaps party labels are meaningless, used only to identify one competitor from another where all the participants share the same common goals whether they play for the Elephants or play for the Donkeys. Consider Wesley Clark, whom lavished praises on George W. Bush and the Republicans before entering into the presidential race. Having never registered as a Democrat, he received his own lavish praise from both the party faithful and the press when he entered into the race as a Democrat. Had he run a more serious campaign, he could have won the nomination.

To a majority of Americans, candidates are indistinguishable. They view politics as a sport where the mainstream parties are nothing more than teams playing the same game, by the same rules. They see the outcome of the election as having no more impact on their lives than the outcome of the World Series. In many aspects, they are right. Politicians have offensive and defensive playbooks, called propaganda, and often concede ground whenever their opponent makes an effective play. They do this not out of any principled stance or yielding of ideas, but by reluctant acknowledgement of the effectiveness of their opponent’s play. This retreat and advance tactic, seemingly devoid of principle, is the primary cause of voter apathy. In what seems like a catch-twenty-two, this apathy is what drives politicians to play the game as they do.

An adept student of propaganda once wrote, "The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and [then] to the heart of the broad masses." In other words, the art of propaganda is to transform politics from a reasoned debate of issues among intellectuals into an emotionally driven stupor of the masses. He then went on to write, "The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, [and] their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out." Propaganda short-circuits reasoned debate by building a consensus outside of the political process, which can then apply significant external pressure to anyone standing in the way of the message.

This emotional appeal is why an initiative, on either side of the debate, usually involves the terminology of protecting, saving, or defending the weakest of society: homosexuals, racial minorities, women, children, animals, and trees. These appeals play to the sentiments of the masses, building a consensus that applies pressure to politicians. Not only can these appeals affect rapid change, but they can also consolidate power by providing political ammunition to their supporters should the opposition make a principled stand. Supporters can then claim that any vote cast against, say, the "Child Protective Act", for example, is a vote against the protection of children; not a vote against an unaccountable organization capable of destroying families based merely on rumor and innuendo. The press is the instrument of propaganda, able to repeat the slogan from thousands of outlets, building what seems an insurmountable consensus, and subduing the principled arguments of the debate. Consider the most popular network news programs: Dateline, 48 Hours, 20/20, 60 Minutes, and Frontline. In each, the formula is to focus, in depth, on a particular person or group in order to connect the viewer, emotionally, to their plight. Thereby, appealing to sentiment and emotion of the viewer in order to build a consensus. Often, all five programs will feature the same topic using different people and different viewpoints to reach the same conclusions. To the average viewer, this seemingly broad consensus is simply overwhelming. It forces the viewer to adopt the same conclusion or place themselves in to the bigoted hate-mongering minority.CLICK HERE TO READ FULL ARTICLE


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If you can make it to the end of the article please comment. :)
1 posted on 03/19/2004 6:46:05 PM PST by Naspino
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To: Naspino
I'll check back like in 20 minutes. :)
2 posted on 03/19/2004 6:51:22 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: demkicker
BUMP for LIBERTY
4 posted on 03/19/2004 7:22:08 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: jmstein7
BUMP
5 posted on 03/19/2004 7:27:50 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
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6 posted on 03/19/2004 7:28:48 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: Naspino
In the last presidential election, socialist candidates received one-one-hundredth of one percent of the total vote. It follows, then, that one can conclude socialism to be a vastly unpopular movement with in the United States of America

Gore and Nader were both socialists. Together, they got almost 52% of the vote-NOT .01%

7 posted on 03/19/2004 7:33:47 PM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Jim Noble
Gore and Nader were both socialists. Together, they got almost 52% of the vote-NOT .01%

You have to read the complete article, neither ran as a "socialist". When you run as a socialist on a clearly stated socialist platform few Americans are going to vote for you. This is the point of the article. If registered Democrats knew who John Kerry really was, an international socialists, and what that really meant -- would they vote for him.

8 posted on 03/19/2004 7:42:52 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Is there a listing on the WEB for Socialists? I am aware several in the Congress are Socialists, even practicing Socialists! Kerry's statements are much along the Socialists line.

But we need documented listing!

9 posted on 03/19/2004 7:43:31 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
I don't how you go about distinguishing Democrats in national politics with socialists. It appears to me, as the article documents that every position they stand for maps one-one with the socialist agenda. The only Democrat I can think of off the top of my head that does NOT subscribe to the socialist philosophy is Zell Miller.
10 posted on 03/19/2004 7:47:29 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Education about the true nature of socialism delivered in small, digestible sound/video bites delivered bit by bit, but over and over -- so the "great unwashed" masses can understand. . .

Is that the solution you propose?

That was quite an Opus!

Bravo!!!
11 posted on 03/19/2004 7:59:13 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
Education about the true nature of socialism delivered in small, digestible sound/video bites delivered bit by bit, but over and over -- so the "great unwashed" masses can understand...

Yes -- I think we need to repeat those sound and video bites about the true nature of Socialist John Kerry over and over until every member of the public knows the message. ;)

12 posted on 03/19/2004 8:02:18 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
That was absolutely brilliant. Who are you?
13 posted on 03/19/2004 8:25:19 PM PST by cpdiii (Rph, Geologist, Oilfield Trash (REFUSE TO ATTEND A GUN FIGHT UNLESS YOUR WEAPON IS 40 CAL. OR MORE)
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To: cpdiii
That was absolutely brilliant. Who are you?

Finally someone understands...:)

14 posted on 03/19/2004 8:30:38 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Thanks for the post!

"The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and [then] to the heart of the broad masses."

In other words, the art of propaganda is to transform politics from a reasoned debate of issues among intellectuals into an emotionally driven stupor of the masses.

He then went on to write, "The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, [and] their power of forgetting is enormous.

In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.

As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered.

In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out."

Propaganda short-circuits reasoned debate by building a consensus outside of the political process, which can then apply significant external pressure to anyone standing in the way of the message.

K.I.S.S. - the A.N.S.W.E.R. ;-}

15 posted on 03/19/2004 8:37:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
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What does this mean?

16 posted on 03/19/2004 8:37:57 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Sorry, typo. Meant to BTTT
17 posted on 03/19/2004 8:40:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Thanks for the post!

Did you make it through the full thing? It keeps going after the excerpt -- about 36 pages in book form.

18 posted on 03/19/2004 8:40:49 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
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19 posted on 03/19/2004 8:43:06 PM PST by AM2000
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To: AM2000
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Torture! Torture!

20 posted on 03/19/2004 8:43:58 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: All
John Kerry has complained that conservatives question his patriotism. Given the definition of socialism, given the definition of fascism, given the decades of maneuvering by John Kerry and the rest of the members of his party, how can one not question his patriotism? His agenda and the international socialist agenda are in complete unison. That agenda will, by design, lead to a weakened United States of America. Any weakening of national security, the economy, even the liberty of citizens is an assault on the autonomy and sovereignty of the American people and thus, unpatriotic. Americans still believe that Kerry and his party are Thomas Jefferson Democrats and this is simply not the case. Thomas Jefferson was correct when he said that the population could be trusted, if it was educated. Today, Americans must be educated of the danger that socialism poses to this nation; they must be educated of the dangers that John Kerry poses to this nation.
21 posted on 03/19/2004 8:49:25 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Nope.. I'll add a bookmark and check it out later.
22 posted on 03/19/2004 8:53:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: Naspino
neither ran as a "socialist". When you run as a socialist on a clearly stated socialist platform few Americans are going to vote for you. This is the point of the article. If registered Democrats knew who John Kerry really was, an international socialists, and what that really meant -- would they vote for him.

This is a rather silly argument, no offense. Constitutionalists get less than 1% of the vote, does that mean Americans hate the constitution? (Some do, they are dems tho) The democrat party is the socialist party. The label means little or nothing. The fact is, the dem party core ARE international socialists, and they WILL vote for Kerry. Their argument since their loss in 2000 has been that the party hasnt been far enough to the left.

The only area in which your argument stands up is with independent voters. It is questionable if a sizable number of centrists would vote for a party labeled "socialist". However, as Rush has been saying for some time now, "moderates" are really just wishy-washy liberals. When it comes right down to it, socialists are just communists who haven't had the need or opportunity to kill anyone yet. If they ever gain any real power, they will start killing the opposition just like their commie forefathers.

23 posted on 03/19/2004 9:11:49 PM PST by thedugal (I is a genious.)
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To: thedugal
Constitutionalists get less than 1% of the vote, does that mean Americans hate the constitution?

I do believe that is comparing apples and oranges. Americans are raised understanding the principles of our government (at least I was and I know my sister ten years younger was as well). The constitution was clearly part of that education, as was the checks and balances placed into our government, the notion of the Republic, and the purpose of the Supreme Court. I honestly believe that if the public were able to see past the facade built up around the Democrat party it would topple.

Obviously there is a large number of Republicans that do not see that the Republican Party is also at odds with the Constitution; however were they suddenly to learn that many of its members supported a smaller government, less taxation, and fewer powers of the general government -- would it topple? Doubtful because that is how we were raised.

I hope you've read the full article (9000+ words) else I don't think you'll understand my full point of view. I don't think you can argue, seriously, that should that 52% become fully aware of their agenda that they would realize it to be completely opposed to how they were raised. I am not saying their percentage would fall to 0.01 percent, but I doubt it would remain above 20%.

24 posted on 03/19/2004 9:20:20 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: thedugal; Naspino
I disagree.

People don't vote for the Constitution Party because they DON'T know what it is (well -- most don't anyway).

People don't vote for the Socialist Party because they DO know what it is (or at least they know that "socialism" has a stigma attached).

If George Bush was in mid-camapign and the GOP changed its name to the "Constitution Party", the vote talley wouldn't change.

If John Kerry and the Democrats, in the middle of the election, changed the name of their party to "The Socialist Party" or "The Communist Party", they would lose the Presidential Race AND a STRONG supermajority of all congressional races.
25 posted on 03/19/2004 9:22:46 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7; thedugal; Jim Noble
The proof to me is that the press avoids the socialist parties (the ones that outward proclaim it) like the plague, despite the fact that they have the identical agenda as the Democrat party.

You are correct, jm, about the label. It would be hard to imagine what the Republicans could their name to that would both scare Americans and align with their beliefs. Socialism and Communism come with a lot of baggage.

26 posted on 03/19/2004 9:28:12 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Thanks for the post. Bump for tomorrow read.
27 posted on 03/19/2004 9:55:28 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Naspino
Your FR home page would make a good post.
28 posted on 03/19/2004 10:01:43 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: auboy
Bump.
29 posted on 03/19/2004 10:06:31 PM PST by auboy
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To: Naspino
Well said!
30 posted on 03/19/2004 10:10:00 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: Naspino
Long, but well written.
31 posted on 03/19/2004 10:10:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Naspino
Excellent article.

I only scanned it now, but I bookmarked it and will read it tomorrow.

You are right on the money about the propaganda and people's reaction. That's why Hitler was so successful for so long and that's how communism came to power and stayed in power as long as it did.

Most Republicans don't understand it, while Dems and communists/nazis/socialists have it down pet.

There is nothing wrong with using their weapons against them and fight fire with fire.

In a propaganda war we can't go unarmed.

We need to do exactly what you are doing -- making brief, emotionally charged, clear points, accurately targeting the weakes part of the opposition and make sure people hear this.

Now if you could make a clever, short ad to explain propaganda to people, you'd really accomplish something.

The discussion is excellent, but most people won't read it.

I think there is a lot of excellent, factual material there and you can break it down into "bite sized" pieces, so more people read them.

The article is so good, you may try to have it published at FrontPageMag.com or even in National Review. Seriously, you should try.
32 posted on 03/19/2004 10:10:14 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Naspino
The press journalism would have you believe that fascists dominate the ranks of the loyalists of the Republican Party.
Journalism also exaggerates its own importance by calling itself "the press" - thereby insinuating that short-deadline topical nonfiction is the whole of "the press."

The Constitution, of course, protects book and magazine publishing as well as journalism - and there is of course no principled reason to expect journalism to be either as objective or as complete a discussion of a given topic as the typical nonfiction book on the same subject.

Nor is there any reason to expect that the topic of a typical news report has as much enduring significance as that of a typical nonfiction book . . .


33 posted on 03/20/2004 5:33:46 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is more subjective than the person who believes in his own objectivity.)
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To: Naspino
Both beliefs are in direct opposition to the stated purposes of the Democrat Party. They believe in expanding government oversight and control, reducing state and local influences, and most importantly, that the government determines the rights of its people, instead of the people determining the rights of their government. The "rule by the people for the people" becomes the "rule of the people by its agents". To a socialist the Constitution of the United States is an anathema, because it guarantees its citizens freedom from government and precludes the government from obtaining control over its populace.
Unexceptionable - but have you identified the Democratic Party in the reader's mind with socialism sufficiently to use the words interchangeably?
34 posted on 03/20/2004 5:46:03 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is more subjective than the person who believes in his own objectivity.)
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To: Naspino
Whoa. I thought I finished it.
Bookmark for later.

Very good so far.

You writing a book?
35 posted on 03/20/2004 5:51:14 AM PST by nuconvert (CAUTION: I'm an acquaintance of someone labelled "an obstinate supporter of dangerous fantasies")
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To: Naspino
I've said for years that if my elderly grandparents didn't vote "blindly" Democratic and realized just who they were walking arm-in-arm with to the voting booth, they would reconsider their support of the Dem party.

The vast majority of elderly folks who I know who support the Democratic party do so because "FDR did such a great job of bringing us out of the depression" and they have an emotional attachment and loyalty. If these people could understand the real nature of the Dem party today, I think lots of them would change their party loyalty.

36 posted on 03/20/2004 5:57:26 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: Axiom Nine
PING
37 posted on 03/20/2004 5:58:17 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: Naspino
Jefferson advocated populist control of the government, for he did not fear their influence; however, this is not what socialism is about, despite its claim that it is the party of the people. Both history and current events will bear out the conclusion that socialism views itself the guardian of the people, not their instrument.
Journalism which affects to be more objective than the people inherently patronizes you. Individual journalists, like all celebrities, toady to journalism as a whole - producing gutless, pseudo courageous proclamations of why "the little guy" needs not equal protection but a helping hand from them.

They are of course far too civic minded to be in it for the money; all they want is the credit (which they will of course lard on themselves with their own PR power). And, ever-so-incidentally, political power enough to moot their need for mere money . . .

38 posted on 03/20/2004 6:02:56 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is more subjective than the person who believes in his own objectivity.)
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To: Naspino
Printed, bumped, will get back later.
39 posted on 03/20/2004 6:21:17 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: Naspino
The only point of contention between the Democrat Party and the Socialist Party seems to be one of courage.
The rank-and-file Socialist Party voter undoubtedly sees it that way. But another explanation is that the Socialist Party is a stalking horse for the socialist politics of the Democratic Party. That is, the existence of an explicitly named Socialist Party positions the Democratic Party a not being socialist.

40 posted on 03/20/2004 6:26:48 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is more subjective than the person who believes in his own objectivity.)
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To: Naspino
Though the south is now solidly Republican, in previous administrations Kerry’s party had total dominance over it. In the last election, Georgia elected its first Republican governor since nineteen-sixty-six when the democratically controlled state legislature overturned the popular vote for Republican Howard Calloway and appointed Democrat Lester Maddox in his place. Despite all of this control, the same issues have arisen in every single election. No sacrifice of liberty has yet been able to resolve the campaign issues of the propagandists. Thus, to a socialist the liberty sacrificed has never been enough.
Two things:
  1. I doubt that you meant to not capitalize the name of the party against which you inveigh,
  2. I think that the South was in a real sense politically neutered by the aftermath of the Civil War, such that its conservatism (basically it seceeded from the union because it considered Lincoln to be a radical) could not be effectively expressed once the Democratic Party became the anticonservative party. Long afterwards the South still considered the Republican Party to be anathema because in the South its reputation was not conservative. Without that advantage I question whether FDR or Lyndon Johnson could have been nearly such powerful political figures.

41 posted on 03/20/2004 6:49:09 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (No one is more subjective than the person who believes in his own objectivity.)
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To: Naspino
I read it in its entirety and here's my brief review: EXCELLENT! WONDERFUL! Well-written, factual and logical!

Check your FReepmail.
42 posted on 03/20/2004 8:39:38 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
when the democratically controlled state legislature ... I doubt that you meant to not capitalize the name of the party against which you inveigh

Good catch. See, even I fall for their propaganda sometimes.

43 posted on 03/20/2004 11:16:56 AM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: All
By the way -- the heart of this article is when I define what the socialist parties in America list, on their own website, as their agenda. One anyone reads through those (6 or 7) paragraphs it should be evident that the Democrat party and the socialist agenda are one and the same.
44 posted on 03/20/2004 11:20:10 AM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: cyncooper; ex-Texan; wayoverontheright; forrestroche; CROSSHIGHWAYMAN; veronica; MikeJ; FlyLow; ...
PING! I wrote and posted this article on Friday at midnight. It is long, about 36 pages in book form, but worth the read!
45 posted on 03/22/2004 6:16:32 AM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Very nice work Naspino.

I am receptive to your kind of analysis, but consider that the length is probably inversely proportional to readership. When I saw 36 pp. even I got scared!!

I like your points, particularly on politics as mass psychology, the geography of American politics, and on the soundbites that are needed.

For your next segment, consider laying out a rhetorical agenda for conservatives, building on your sound bite recommendation. Regards, Monti.

46 posted on 03/22/2004 10:28:01 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Naspino
"This emotional appeal is why an initiative, on either side of the debate, usually involves the terminology of protecting, saving, or defending the weakest of society: homosexuals, racial minorities, women, children, animals, and trees."

You lost me right here. You're trying to make the point that both sides, liberal and conservative, play this game, right? Conservatives don't do this, or if they ever do, the only one they will cite is children. Conservatives stress minorities, homosexuals, women, animals... since when? Conservatives are about equality for all, not special interests, and those groups -have- been equal for a long time (well, except animals, but -duh-).

What you said is the precise pandering playbook of socialists, not conservatives, and that's why we get labelled racists and homophobes, because we -won't- pander to any specific group but feel that all policies must be applied -consistently-.

Qwinn
47 posted on 03/22/2004 10:36:53 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: arasina
Just bumping this to the top. Don't be intimidated by the length! It's worth your time to read it!
48 posted on 03/23/2004 8:29:01 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Qwinn
Both sides do do it unfortunately -- I could change "and trees" to "or trees" though. I did not mean that Republicans do it for the entire list but they do do it.
49 posted on 03/23/2004 10:31:09 AM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Naspino
Very interesting.
50 posted on 03/23/2004 11:05:25 AM PST by philman_36
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