Chanukah - by Mel (Suspected Antisemite Now Wants To Tell The Story Of Maccabees)

NY Daily News ^ | March 17, 2004 | DEREK ROSE

[Rutles4Ever]

Maccabbees 2 contains explicit references to praying for the dead and offering sacrifices to help expunge the penalty of their sins...

I'm regrettably not well-versed on Maccabbees, but those particular references were "problematic" for Luther, who did not subscribe to Catholic teaching on Purgatory.

[Rutles4Ever]

I consider it a minor miracle that the Book of James didn't get kicked out, as well...

[Bonaparte]

It almost did.

[Aquinasfan]

Sean asked Mel if he had any other plans for biblical movies. Mel pretty much said not really.

I'm very disappointed. I hope he changes his mind. Don't leave Bible stories to the liberals to destroy!

[votelife]

why are you surprised James made the cut?

[Aquinasfan]

I wonder if Abe has read the disclaimer at the beginning of Spielberg's animated feature "Moses: Prince of Egypt." It would appear that Spielberg may not believe their "sacred history" is true.

What did it say?

[presidio9]

I'm regrettably not well-versed on Maccabbees, but those particular references were "problematic" for Luther, who did not subscribe to Catholic teaching on Purgatory.

Lutheran views on Purgatory are the very definition of the term "problematic." If there were no such thing as Purgatory, there would be absolutely no point in offering prayers for the dead, as is perscribed many many times in both the Old and the New Testaments.

[kidd]

A story about heroic Jews might insulate Gibson from charges of anti-Semitism leveled by the movie's critics..

Seems to me that he just made a movie about heroic Jews.

[jwalsh07]

"The Maccabees family stood up, and they made war, they stuck by their guns, and they came out winning," he continued. "It's like a Western."

Perhaps so, but rumor has it that the Maccabees never found the WMD's.

[montag813]

"He'll write his own history," Foxman said. "I would prefer to leave the fate of Jewish history and Hollywood to Steven Spielberg. The Maccabees ... are our sacred history."

As a Jew, I say this...Abe Foxman shut your stupid fat mouth. You do not speak for the Jews. You speak only for your bigoted, Socialist, slob of a self. Get lost you freak, stop insulting the Christian faith, and stop dividing Jews and Christians.

[Alouette]

Luther removed those problematic books from the Protestant canon.

The books of the Maccabees were never part of the Hebrew scriptural canon.

[montag813]

"He'll write his own history," Foxman said. "I would prefer to leave the fate of Jewish history and Hollywood to Steven Spielberg. The Maccabees ... are our sacred history."

As a Jew, I say this...Abe Foxman shut your stupid fat mouth. You do not speak for the Jews. You speak only for your bigoted, Socialist, slob of a self. Get lost you freak, stop insulting the Christian faith, and stop dividing Jews and Christians.

[Yaelle]

Wow, this is cool! I look forward to this. Of course, guerrilla warfare is violent... I am such a chicken when it comes to violence.

And Foxman is so hypersensitive that he is not doing us any favors.

[Yaelle]

I don't know where purgatory fits in with the Chanukah story.

[Alouette]

Abe Foxman, Please Shut Up!

[Rutles4Ever]

James epistle pointedly expresses the necessity of good works as a companion to salvation by faith. Protestants believe that faith alone is sufficient. Being that Protestants believe that the Bible is the entire resource of faith (minus Tradition), it challenges their assertion that good works do not contribute to our salvation...

Catholics believe that man is indeed justified by faith, but there need to be outwards signs of faith (i.e. works) in order to validate it. Think of it like this:

Catholics and Protestants both believe that Faith is the "engine" of salvation. Catholics believe that for the engine not to die, it needs to be fueled with good works. Protestants dispute this with the belief that Faith essentially "fuels" itself -- that good works are not necessary.

I hope that makes sense.

[Cinnamon Girl]

I don't remember any disclaimer, but I do remember that Spielberg totally BUTCHERED the account of Moses. And for what reason?

[Yaelle]

As a cradle Catholic, I have never heard that "purgatory" came out of Maccabbees.

LOL! As a Jew I also had no idea! I was trying to figure out where that came in...

[Feiny]

Mel Gibson bump

[Rutles4Ever]

You hit the nail on the head.