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How Kerry Quit Veterans Group Amid Dark Plot
NY Sun ^
| 3/12/04
| THOMAS H. LIPSCOMB
Posted on 03/12/2004 5:29:50 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Pretty much says it all.
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:25:57 AM PST
by
hchutch
(Why did the Nazgul bother running from Arwen's flash flood? They only managed to die tired.)
To: veronica; Hon
Thanks for posting this. FReeper Hon has been all over this story and I have been sending it to media sources. If this can be proven, then the RATS have a new nominee --- Hillary Clinton. We have to encourage the sources to get on talk radio. The reporter who can prove this may well win a Pulitzer. Of course, it may be posthumous.
We have to push this. Here is the beauty of this story. Even if it cannot be proven that he was there, the public is going to get an earful of how the man who wants to be commander in chief had led a group that was so radical it wanted to assassinate U.S. Senators. This could be the ticking time bomb that will destroy him.
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:26:40 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: veronica
But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.
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How can he be reached???
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:28:12 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: doug from upland
I will check my White Pages.
To: Just mythoughts
45
posted on
03/12/2004 6:30:27 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Even if $oreA$$ pays, America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda Kerry after 9/11.)
To: veronica; Torie
Another source is an October 20,1992, oral history interview of Scott Camil on file at the University of Florida Oral History Archive.In it,Mr.Camil speaks of his plan for an alternative to Mr. Kerrys idea of symbolically throwing veterans medals over the fence onto the steps of the Capitol during the Dewey Canyon III demonstration in Washington in April of 1971. According to the Nicosia book and interviews with VVAW members who were involved, at theVietnamVeterans Against the War Kansas City leadership conference, Mr. Camil tried to put his plan into effect. He called together eight to 10 Marines to organize something he called The Phoenix Project. The original Phoenix Project during the Vietnam War was an attempt to destroy the Viet Cong leadership by assassination.
I wonder if "alternative to Mr. Kerrys idea" is Camill's wording? Kerry's medal-tossing stunt as set for April, 1971, and the metting where the assassinations were discussed was later that December. However, "The Phoenix Project" was apparently an off-the-shelf plan from Vietnam, which given the tours of duty of these members of the VVAW, would predate Kerry's medal-tossing by a few years. How long had "The Phoenix Project" been percolating in the VVAW hierarchy prior to it being broached at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City? My plan was that, on the last day we would go into the [congressional] offices we would schedule the most hardcore hawks for last and we would shoot them all, Mr. Camil told the Oral History interviewer. I was serious. In a phone interview with the Sun this week, Mr. Camil did not dispute either the account in the Nicosia book or in the oral history. He said he plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in Mr. Kerrys presidential campaign. Campaign aides to Mr. Kerry invited Mr.Camil to a meeting for the senator in Orlando last week, but they did not meet directly.
Why would anyone in Kerry's campaign want anything at all to do with Camill, given that he openly boasts of conspiring to assassinate US Senators? Mr. Camil was known to colleagues in the anti-war movement as Scott the Assassin. Mr. Camil told The New York Sun he got the name in Vietnam for sneaking down to the Vietnamese villages at night and killing people.I wonder if this is a reference to some of the war crimes about which Kerry testified before Congress ?
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46
posted on
03/12/2004 6:31:16 AM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
To: doug from upland
I wish Matt Drudge would link to it from DrudgeReport.
47
posted on
03/12/2004 6:31:48 AM PST
by
veronica
("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." GW Bush 1-20-04)
To: Just mythoughts; backhoe
Thanks, is he still with the living? What does he do today?I don't know...did a search,but did not come up with anything....I pinged backhoe, he has been compiling these stories into a list, maybe he has come across something.
To: Just mythoughts
49
posted on
03/12/2004 6:33:18 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Even if $oreA$$ pays, America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda Kerry after 9/11.)
To: ravingnutter
His whereabouts of today do seem a mystery and I do not remember reading he is deceased. Thanks
To: Grampa Dave
Dennis Roddy:
Consider the treatment he was handed when the two contradictory letters to Walter Carter surfaced a decade earlier. I remember it because it happened at the annual Lincoln Day Dinner of the Allegheny County Republican Party, March 20, 1991, at the William Penn Hotel.
At the time the first George Bush was still flush with victory in the Persian Gulf, and dinnergoers chortled over a videotaped presentation of assorted senate Democrats backpedaling in the wake of a war they'd opposed. Ted Kennedy was shown. News clips were shown. But for Kerry, the speaker simply read the two letters, to everyone's amazement.
"It's like those before-and-after pictures they print in the papers," the speaker said. "If they didn't tell you so themselves, you'd think they were different people."
Kerry has to remember that one. The speaker was Sen. John Heinz. Two weeks later, he would die in a plane crash. Four years after that, Kerry would marry his widow -- a woman who speaks directly and without equivocation and doesn't need two sets of letters to make her mind known.
He might want to ask her for a copy of the speech.
To: William McKinley
Thanks!
Now that is a spooky story about Lurch Al Querry!
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:36:10 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Even if $oreA$$ pays, America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda Kerry after 9/11.)
To: Grampa Dave
Knowing that there are incriminating photos from his anti-US days, the media has forever poisoned the well by making people think that all pictures of JF'nK and these communists are Photoshopped. Pretty dang smart.
To: Grampa Dave
Thanks, I remember this thread.
What I have not seen is the status of Hubbard, where is he today?
Also what I was not clear on was JFKerry's respone to his last contact he had with Hubbard.
To: Just mythoughts
To: veronica; Torie
But in a footnote, Mr. Brinkley acknowledges,I could not locate Kerrys November 10 VVAW resignation letter supposedly housed at the Wisconsin archives. The quote I used comes directly from Andrew E. Hunts essential The Turning: A History of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (1999). When asked by the Sun who told him Mr. Kerry was no-show at Kansas City, Mr. Brinkley replied, Senator Kerry. Mr. Brinkley also stated that Mr. Kerry did not have a personal copy of the resignation letter either. But in an interview with the Sun, the essential historian Mr. Brinkley relied on as his source, Andrew E. Hunt, said I never stated that there was a letter of resignation, or even implied in my book that I saw one. I never could find one in the archives in Wisconsin. I dont know how Brinkley got the idea that I had. I never could figure out when Kerry resigned.
Well, it's apparently to Senator Kerry's good fortune that he happened to resign on November 10th, just before the existing "Phoenix Project" plans were discussed November 12-15 in Kansas City. And it's apparently to Senator Kerry's bad fortune that neither he nor the VVAW can produce a copy of the November 10th resignation letter, since it's also to Senator Kerry's misfortune that two witnesses place him in Kansas City discussing the assassination plot. according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization. Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week. In addition to Mr. Barness recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.
I guess someone didn't get their ketchup money.
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:39:53 AM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
To: veronica
Thomas Lipscomb is a contributor to the SUN. He does not have a desk there. I left a message with the editor and hope I'll get a call back. If Lipscomb needs our help, he's got it.
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:40:19 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: veronica
Lack of real leadership in Vietnam...then ....under the mediation of the leftist propanda machine...and the right's abuse of youthfull patriotism....leading to great Bitterness, coupled with drugs, and violent companionship.
The left called us baby killers...and the right called us losers....
When good boys go bad....or isolate themselves in peacefull rural properties...
I chose the latter...I was fortunate and blessed by the grace of God
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:41:10 AM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: ravingnutter
Yes, this does describe the events of Senator Heinz and his widow in and around JFKerry.
To: kittymyrib
The defenders of Al Querry bring up the photoshop photo that was done as a gag by Registered.
They never try to refute the actual picture, which we can't post on FR due to copyright problems or these other pictures of Al Querry involved with the liars and protestors of the Nam war.
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posted on
03/12/2004 6:42:40 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(Even if $oreA$$ pays, America can't afford a 9/10 John F'onda Kerry after 9/11.)
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