The Jobs Crisis and the GOP

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[jayef]

Or at least learn more that being a programmer. Everyone I know in IT is doing very well. Integration and project management in that field will continue apace. I'm sorry, but the outsourcing bogeyman just hasn't shown his face around here.

[Lazamataz]

Population growth or not, there are 3 million more jobs now than in 2001 according to the BoLS.

(slapping forehead) Why do I even bother.

Here, let's put it in very simple terms: Lets say you needed to give 4 apples to a dragon every day to keep him from eating you. But then there was two dragons (population growth), and each needed 4 apples (necessary jobs to keep full employment). Yet you were only given 2 more apples. You may have MORE APPLES, but now you do not have ENOUGH APPLES to keep from being eaten.

Now do you get it? Your assertion that there are MORE APPLES (more jobs) ignores that you do not have ENOUGH APPLES (enough jobs for full employment).

Greenspan himself has said that he thinks we've overstated the population growth and some think the population has declined, believe it or not (although I don't believe it). So since we don't really know what the population #s have done over the last 3 years, I go with what I know and I know the BoLS show 3 million jobs created.

In other words, you ignore what you believe -- you know darn well the population is up, due to the massive influx of illegal immigrants alone -- thought to be 10 million in 2003 -- and the fact that the CDC still asserts that Americans have, for every two people, on average approximately 2.5 children. You know all this, and you ignore it anyways.

This is exactly the head-in-sand outlook that has totally turned me off lately. I don't know if I can wake you up. I do know some lurker out there will get it.

[#3Fan]

slapping forehead) Why do I even bother. Here, let's put it in very simple terms: Lets say you needed to give 4 apples to a dragon every day to keep him from eating you. But then there was two dragons (population growth), and each needed 4 apples (necessary jobs to keep full employment). Yet you were only given 2 more apples. You may have MORE APPLES, but now you do not have ENOUGH APPLES to keep from being eaten. Now do you get it? Your assertion that there are MORE APPLES (more jobs) ignores that you do not have ENOUGH APPLES (enough jobs for full employment).

The liberal media says no jobs are being created. The BoLS shows 3 million created. That's the bottom line and I'll continue to repeat it.

In other words, you ignore what you believe

No, I'm not ignoring what I believe. What I believe isn't important to what the BoLS says.

-- you know darn well the population is up, due to the massive influx of illegal immigrants alone -- thought to be 10 million in 2003 -- and the fact that the CDC still asserts that Americans have, for every two people, on average approximately 2.5 children. You know all this, and you ignore it anyways.

I don't know how the population fluctuates over a small period like three years. I'm just posting what I know and that's the numbers from the BoLS.

This is exactly the head-in-sand outlook that has totally turned me off lately. I don't know if I can wake you up. I do know some lurker out there will get it.

Wake me up? lol I cite #s from the BoLS and you think it's the end of the world?

[Lazamataz]

The BoLS shows 3 million created. That's the bottom line and I'll continue to repeat it.

Even though you know the numbers are not sufficient. Therefore, you are a willful liar; lying by omission.

This is what 'our side' has devolved to. This is why this site is not where I come most of the time, any more.

It's positively Clintonian in here lately.

To my other friends: Start at 114. His response at 119. My last attempt at 122. When a man is willfully lying by omission, there is simply nothing more I can do.

[#3Fan]

Even though you know the numbers are not sufficient.

Not sufficient? They're right there in the BoLS.

Therefore, you are a willful liar; lying by omission.

What am I omitting? The numbers are in the government record. 3 million created. You're wanting me to assume 10,000,000 illegals came in in 2003 (if I read you right), I think that's crazy.

This is what 'our side' has devolved to. This is why this site is not where I come most of the time, any more.

Good riddance if you're going to namecall like this when all I'm doing is citing government numbers.

It's positively Clintonian in here lately.

With you here it's positively contrarian. lol

To my other friends: Start at 114. His response at 119. My last attempt at 122. When a man is willfully lying by omission, there is simply nothing more I can do.

Lying about what? The government says there are 3 million jobs created. They take away their numbers and I'll quit citing them.

[Lazamataz]

I can back my illegal alien numbers. "Census 2000 results indicate that 700,000 to 800,000 illegal aliens settle in the U.S. each year, with an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens currently living in the United States."

And that was in 2000. It's gone up since then.

And Census shows that Americans are having 2.5 kids still.

But I know all this is pointless. You will only concentrate on one part of the equation, willfully lying by omission about the rest. It's totally pointless. You will continue to lie all over the forum, and there's not a damned thing I can do about it.

[#3Fan]

I can back my illegal alien numbers. "Census 2000 results indicate that 700,000 to 800,000 illegal aliens settle in the U.S. each year, with an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens currently living in the United States." And that was in 2000. It's gone up since then.

It looked like you said 10,000,000 in one year. Regardless, even Greenspan thinks the population growth has slowed.

And Census shows that Americans are having 2.5 kids still. But I know all this is pointless. You will only concentrate on one part of the equation, willfully lying by omission about the rest. It's totally pointless. You will continue to lie all over the forum, and there's not a damned thing I can do about it.

How can I lie when I'm simply repeating government numbers and the BoLS #s show 3 million jobs created. Business surveys show none. You choose to believe the business survey, I choose to believe the BoLS.

[BoozeHag]

Don't go into teaching. I have a bachelor's degree from Ohio State University and master's degree from the University of Virginia. I have 20 years of experience and I only make $49,000 a year.

[Types_with_Fist]

Thanks, Laz, for straightening that out. You sure do have a way at making an argument, albeit--this time--against a weak one; "3-million jobs!...3-million jobs!...awwwkkk!" I doubt, however, that facts and/or perceptions will get in the way of the "ostrich effect" now gripping conservatives. But, they have been warned--over and over. Not by leftists and DUers and "trolls," but by...their brethren--conservatives...here!

Bush ignores this issue at his peril. I've seen the problem. I've seen others caught up in it. I've been caught up in it myself. This IS an issue...and a BIG one. In this Colorado town hundreds and thousands will show up for one available barely above minimum wage job--of almost any kind.

We are not just exporting jobs, we are importing ferners to work for less and throw Americans out of work. We are talking about legalizing illegals, so they can have American jobs. Companies are cutting pay and benefits and raising prices in response to their windfalls, instead of creating jobs like expected.

Even if none of this were true--and this 5.6% unemployment were also really true--it would still be an issue if most of the country believes it to be. And, it is not being addressed at all, either in language or action by the Bush Administration.

The Dems are Hell when they lie. They are even more dangerous when they don't have to. I won't be happy if Kerry wins, but I sure won't share the "surpise" of the obtuse legions here, when they moan and groan about the coming sad day in November. Neither will I ever listen again to them about how to gain control back. They will have had it and lost it due to burying their heads in the sand.

[Beck_isright]

"It's positively Clintonian in here lately."

Amen. Some of the clowns thought that last month's numbers were killer. 21,000 new jobs all created by the government. Zero jobs in the private sector. And the bots all celebrate the government expanding.
Worse than that, they are proud of the expansion of government. So much for conservatism.

[DentsRun]

Outsourcing is a tiny portion of jobs in reality. America is not an industrial economy anymore, but an information economy.

Which still hasn't prevented our balance of trade deficit from growing every year.

[oe542]

Do you really believe anyone will buy this story of yours!! UNION GRAVY TRAIN! I guess one thing is clear that you illustrated when people stick together you can accomplish anything you put your mind together. Don't matter what kind of degree you have because you clearly illustrated that being alone there is always someone willing to work for less and harder. (one mans garbage is truly anothers mans dinner)