Kerry/Clinton 04 Get ready for it!!

[Capitalism2003]

No...NOT Hellary folks...

BILL!

I swear..I can say it coming...The dems are so anxious to get Bubba back in the WH...This is a dream come true for them...the most liberal senator and most morally bankrupt ex-president...together

a left wing dream team.

like it or not, the Clinton/Mcauliff team, combined with the Kerry/Dean/moveon.org/George Soros machine will bring in tons of money from lefty whackos and they will be able to compete with Bush on the money side...

Get ready folks.

[smiley]

This was taken from an article on the Drudge Report this morning...nothing new here....Kerry knows that Bubba would overshadow him.....no way. This was a fight for control of the Rat party between the Clintons and Kennedy (Kerry's campaign manager). It will never happen.

[Radioactive]

Think of this...

Would Kerry nowingly add Clinton to the ticket knowing that Clinton is just a heartbeat away from the White house?

If I were Kerry, I would drop out right now,

The people who get into any of the Clintons way end up dead.

Ask JFK jr..

[Semper Paratus]

I like it because it would remove Cheney as a 'heart-beat away' issue.

Elect Kerry and put Dennis Hastert 'heart-beat away'.

[verity]

Sounds like an implausable Oliver Stone scenario!

[Condor51]

Willard CANNOT be Vice-President - period.

The Twelfth Amendment is pretty clear. It is the amendment that talks about how the Electoral College meets and chooses the pres and veep. The last sentence: But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That's it, end of story.

[joonbug]

Agree. The Clintons will make sure Kerry runs far to the left and gets beatten badly, leaving an opening for "centrist" Hillary to retake the party in 2008. Much like Bill did after liberal Dukakis lost badly in 1988. The Clintons are not stupid and they want the White House back. And they will stop at nothing to get there.

[familyofman]

Pure drivel - moving on.

[Condor51]

Sorry, Billy Jeff IS Constitutionally ineligible

The Twelfth Amendment is pretty clear. It is the amendment that talks about how the Electoral College meets and chooses the pres and veep. The last sentence: But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Willard CANNOT be Vice-President - period.
That's it, end of story.

BTW, Not only can BJ NOT ever be a VEEP, he is also precluded from holding any office that's in the line of succession to the presidency.

[Bubba_Leroy]

March 2, 2004, 10:34PM

Bill Clinton could be just the ticket for Kerry
By STEPHEN GILLERS

With John Kerry's success in Tuesday's primaries, the race for the Democratic nomination for president is all but over -- and speculation about his choice for vice president can now begin in earnest.

John Edwards, Kerry's closest rival [and who is expected to officially withdraw from the race today], is a proven campaigner and could attract Southern voters. Govs. Evan Bayh of Indiana and Bill Richardson of New Mexico have both regional appeal and executive experience. Dark-horse candidates include former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and former Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia.

Amid this conjecture, however, one name is conspicuously absent: Bill Clinton.

Clinton's strengths would compensate for Kerry's weaknesses almost perfectly. Not only is Clinton the most talented campaigner of his generation, but he is also a Southerner -- and since 1948, when Harry S. Truman chose Sen. Alben Barkley of Kentucky as his running mate, every successful Democratic ticket has included a citizen of a Southern state.

Besides, people might even pay to watch Bill Clinton debate Dick Cheney. So why not?

The first objection, the constitutional one, can be disposed of easily. The Constitution does not prevent Clinton from running for vice president. The 22nd Amendment, which became effective in 1951, begins: "No person shall be elected to the office of the president more than twice."

No problem. Bill Clinton would be running for vice president, not president. Scholars and judges can debate how loosely constitutional language should be interpreted, but one need not be a strict constructionist to find this language clear beyond dispute. Bill Clinton cannot be elected president, but nothing stops him from being elected vice president.

True, if Clinton were vice president he would be in line for the presidency. But Clinton would succeed Kerry not by election, which the amendment forbids, but through Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, which provides that if a president dies, resigns or is removed from office, his powers "shall devolve on the vice president." The 22nd Amendment would not prevent this succession.

So much for the constitutional obstacles. The political ones may be more formidable. They can be summarized in two questions: Would Clinton want the job -- and would Kerry want him to take it?

We won't know until we ask, of course. But before asking, we might cite some compelling reasons for both men to consider a Kerry-Clinton ticket seriously.

For Clinton, the appeal of the vice presidency is both political and personal. First, he could help his party win. Yes, Clinton remains a divisive figure in American politics -- but not so much among Democrats. And surely many voters long for the strong economy and economic stewardship that was one of the hallmarks of his administration.

Second, he could burnish his legacy. In exchange for joining the ticket, Clinton could negotiate for plum assignments as vice president. Mideast peace? National health care? Racial equality? He could focus on any or all of them.

And from a purely personal standpoint, it might be especially gratifying for Clinton to be part of the team that defeats the man who four years ago promised to restore "character" to Clinton's own White House.

The only remaining question, then, is what Kerry thinks of all this. Judging from recent debates, there's little chemistry between Kerry and Edwards.

But Kerry and Clinton would seem to have much in common; they are nearly the same age, worked with each other in Washington for almost a decade and have a shared interest in foreign affairs.

For Kerry, the question may well come down to whether adding Clinton to the ticket would appreciably increase his chances of victory. A couple of polls should give him the answer fast enough. If the results are good, the course is clear: Bring him on.


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2430461

[Qwinn]

new AOL poll...pops up on the main screen when people sign on... election held today: Kerry or Bush? 68% Kerry 32% Bush nearly 100,000 responses...

Quite frankly?

AOL is a moral sinkhole. You ever been to the chatrooms on there? The place is sodomy central. Heck, it'd be nice if it was just sodomy, but it isn't. Any bizarre, twisted, sick perversion you can think of will get several dozen chat rooms full to capacity for discussion.

Here's a serious piece of advice: Don't ever go into a chat room on AOL called "Dog Lovers" just because you -like- dogs. Yeah.

Somehow, I can't see the majority of conservatives sticking around in that kind of atmosphere. It turned me off enough that I cancelled my account, and I doubt I'm the only one. I would guess that most AOL users (at least ones that would ever go in the chat rooms) are very, very liberal. I wouldn't necessarily trust their polls.

Qwinn

[Jim Noble]

The last sentence: But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Of course XII says that.

Here's the entire text of Amendment XXII:

" No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

It would have been very simple to say, "Any person who has served as President for two terms, or for one term plus 731 days, shall be permenently ineligible to the office of President or Vice-President".

But that's not what it says.

It says that WJC "shall not be elected to the office of President".

Now I grant you that the drafters of XXII did not imagine such a creature as X42 being elected once, let alone twice.

But were WJC to run as Kerry's VP (that's not the plan, it's Hillary, but IF) there is no penumbra or emanation of the XXII Amendment sufficient to bar him from office.

Nor to bar his ascent to the Presidency after Kerry's tragic murder by a crazed, right-wing gun nut who just saw "The Passion of the Christ".

[Cboldt]

By Stephen Gillers: ... The 22nd Amendment ... Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution ... So much for the constitutional obstacles.

Hahahaha. So much for the ones Mr. Gillers found. Check the 12th amendment, and explain how that is not a barrier too.

I'm not saying an argument can't be made, but the author hasn't made one, and therefore the author's conclusion is incorrect.

[Cboldt]

It would have been very simple to say, "Any person who has served as President for two terms, or for one term plus 731 days, shall be permenently ineligible to the office of President or Vice-President".

Yes, but it isn't necessary to recapitulate the 12th amendment.

I see your argument though, that "election" and "eligibility" can somehow be construed differently. The argument has to boil down to "Clinton is not constitutionally ineligible to the office of President," even in light of the 22nd amendment. I wouldn't want to be the one making the argument.

[dagoofyfoot]

There is a picture of John Kerry running out of the surf in a wetsuit with a windsurfboard in hand


An arcticle the other went on to say, "Is America ready for a President that's into extreme sports?"


As a person who surfs this is so offensive to me, now I know a little bit about how Viet Nam vets feel about this guy who served 4 months and keep tooting his horn about all this "War Hero" crap.


Whatever Kerry thinks will get your vote that day...that's what he is...surfer, war hero, Catholic, Jew, Hawk, Dove, and etc...truly sickening!

[hobbes1]

Jim, both you and the Author need a little english lesson.

The Relevant Section of 22 reads thusly.

and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

The Strikethru is a clause, and the first bolded part is a clause, it limits service to 9 years 355 days MAX.

The other salient point is the exclusion, at the End

But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Which was inserted to keep it from being Voided by being an ex post facto law, vis-a-vis Harry Truman.

Truman was the last President eligible to serve 3 terms. Period. No amount of Wishful thinking, or Paranoia can Change that.

[angcat]

I will leave the country.

[BaBaStooey]

I think that this could certainly be cleared up in federal court.

Bill Clinton is ineligible to be elected President, in the same way as if he was not natural-born, the same way as if he wasn't 35. Therefore, if he is not eligible to be elected President, someone could certainly make the argument that if he does not meet the qualifications to be elected President, he does not meet the qualifications to be elected Vice President.

Then, another can of worms, would that ruling stop someone from then appointing Clinton to fill a Vice Presidential vacancy?

There is a pretty big loophole here that needs to be closed. I feel that the intention of the legislators who crafted the amendment was to limit people to a maximum of 10 years as President. This was, of course, the unwritten "gentleman's agreement" for over a hundred years before FDR broke it.

[Howlin]

You are absolutely correct.

Besides, it's going to be Gephardt.

[nmh]

Bill CLintone can NOT run again. Hillary is NOT interested in being a VICE President. She will wait till 2008 and run for President.

[TXBSAFH]

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election held today: Kerry or Bush?

68% Kerry
32% Bush

nearly 100,000 responses...



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