Moscow warns Nato away from the Baltics

Financial Times ^ | March 1 2004 | Judy Dempsey

[RKV]

Sorry Sergei, those countries are independent now. If you had shown good faith by not selling weapons to Sadaam, we might be inclined to show more restraint, but it is too late now. Tell Vlad we haven't forgotten.

[varon]

BUMP

[nuconvert]

Will not tolerate?

EXCUSE ME?

[Joe Bonforte]

Russia - the France of the 21st Century. Used to be important, now has delusions that it still is.

[NonValueAdded]

Yastrzhembsky? Carl, is that you? How will the sox do this year?

[FreedomCalls]

They have a point. Stationing NATO forces in the Baltics is a violation of the CFE treaty is it not?

[MD_Willington_1976]

Still think the cold war is over?...Putin is a commie and will always be a commie...Communism has gone global..it's called global democracy...most countries that receice immigrants from the ol'ussr find that it is awfully hard to wean them off the social welfare teet...One way to look at it, cram socialism down these peoples throats for a few generations, then let them go abroad...they will praise there new found democracy and freedom...but they will always long for the government to provide them with the basics, medicare especially...

An easy dupe...

[billly]

We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see that they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force, and their gasoline and ammunition supplies are low. I've seen their miserable supply trains; mostly wagons drawn by beaten up old horses or oxen. I'll say this; the Third Army alone and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.

[RWR8189]

If you think the Red Army is the same thing as the Republican Guard, I think you're sorely mistaken, and a bit crazy.

I have always said we could win a war with Russia, but it would be very bloody and very long.

[struwwelpeter]

He's quoting George C. Scott in Patton. Prophetic words they were, too.

[RWR8189]

Oh geez, don't I feel like an idiot?

And that was just on a few nights ago...

[F16Fighter]

NATO??

Is there still a NATO??

[Spruce]

Dear Sergei,

Blow me.

Thank you.

[RKV]

Excuse my ignorance, what CFE treaty? Did we sign it?

[RKV]

Ah google. http://www.nato.int/usa/info/cfe.html
The treaty was with the Warsaw pact, and now null. An update is pending Russia's approval. In other words, according to NATO, CFE is dead as a duck.

[NeonKnight]

I am not sure we could ever win a war IN Russia. We are quite capable of containing them, we have been doing it for decades.

[FreedomCalls]

Excuse my ignorance, what CFE treaty?

This one. The Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe.

Did we sign it?

Of course we did.

[FreedomCalls]

The treaty was with the Warsaw pact, and now null.

Not true. The treaty is still valid and in force and binding on the countries of NATO the United States.

1. The States Parties to the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe of 19 November 1990 met in a Review Conference in Vienna, in accordance with Article XXI of the Treaty, from 28 May to 1 June 2001, under the chairmanship of the Republic of Italy.

2. The States Parties reaffirmed the fundamental role of the CFE Treaty as a cornerstone of European security and their adherence to its goals and objectives. They reaffirmed their determination to fulfil in good faith all obligations and commitments arising from the Treaty and its associated documents.

[gipper81]

If a deal were clinched, Mr Yastrzhembsky said Russia could complete its withdrawal from Georgia in 11 years. Georgia wants the troops to leave within three years

11 years??? these soviets are a riot, they really are