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The Department of Homeland Control
NewsWithViews ^ | Feb 10, 04 | David Brownlow

Posted on 02/20/2004 4:08:05 AM PST by SLB

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To: zeugma
I agree. I will never fly again, and I will never go onto airport property.

They are after Anglo white Americans, and lord knows what I would be charged with.
21 posted on 02/20/2004 6:38:01 AM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: SLB
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22 posted on 02/20/2004 6:40:07 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Don Joe; skip2myloo
Just like the AWB, right? And to think I was even concerned about it! Whew! Thanks for setting our minds at ease.

Don Joe, the GOP is toast if they cross the gunowners and they know it. Bush has already tiptoed almost too close to the line by baiting the Dims on this one. (If 'baiting' is what it really was.)

Even the Dims don't want to try gungrabbing this year. A few feeble pro forma bills will be presented and will die quietly. This will be done to suck some soft money out of the gungrabbing Left contingent and harvest some easy campaign funds for Dims in safe liberal districts.

For all I fault this GOP congress with doing, I don't believe for one second that AWB will be renewed. And I give DeLay and Hostettler (Liberty Caucus) most of the credit.

And the Dims are scared stiff by it. Even Boxer and her ilk aren't going to go there again. Even the Brady Bunch has been forced to adopt more 'reasonable' tactics and are actually trying to present 'responsible' gun ownership views and plead with Dims that gungrabbing legislation will not kill their re-election. Good grief, the Brady Bunch is now actually using gunowning gungrabbers for their propaganda pieces.

AWB just doesn't prove much about Patriot. Except perhaps that determined grassroots activism can win against considerable odds.

Look, if we can't win anything, we may as well just give up and enjoy the triumph of socialism. But that's wrong. We can and still do win some for our causes. And we still have strong allies in Congress who do merit our unreserved support.

The Liberty Caucus
23 posted on 02/20/2004 6:51:47 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: zeugma
I don't ever expect to fly again. The rediculous procedures are just going to be accepted (already have by the sheep) of being "normal".

You, me -- and thousands, possibly tens, or hundreds of thousands -- of other Americans too.

Driving ain't so bad. Get to enjoy the view, and not be treated like some convict on a Bureau of Prisons bus.

See my post 20 in this thread for some horror stories that'll make your blood run cold.

Remember, those are just a few representative incidents. This crap goes on daily. The arrogance of the "public servants" knows no bounds, no limits, no constraints.

It used to be that they'd try to screen out the a$$#oles when hiring for "enforcement" positions. Now, it seems they're screening them in. I guess all the better to keep the public in line. Cowed, afraid to do anything but smile, silently, and just take it.

The principle seems to be that they've staffed these "frontline customer service" positions with the aforementioned a$$#oles, who go about their "work", rousting, hassling, abusing whoever they want, for any reason they want. Do you look like the guy who "stole" his parking place last week? Tough break. Do you look like the guy who ran off with his wife? Does your voice remind him of the loan officer at the bank who gave him a hard time about being late on his mortgage?

The list of potential "offenses" goes on endlessly. The point is, if you, for whatever "reason", offend one of these... well, the politest term I can come up with is "modern day Roman soldier", then you, my friend, are eff yew see kay ee dee. I hope you didn't make any long term plans for the day -- things like "completing your flight", or "not having to even think about stuff like 'making bail.'"

We're racing headlong into something that's... well, they say history tends to repeat itself.

And remember Orwell's vision for the future. A bootheel, grinding into a man's face, forefer.

24 posted on 02/20/2004 6:52:44 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: George W. Bush
Don Joe, the GOP is toast if they cross the gunowners and they know it.

I take it you haven't seen the polling data lately.

Here's a hint: it ain't looing good, and it's looking worse by the day. And another thing -- it's not just the gun owners they're crossing. It's pretty much every traditional conservative.

Even the Dims don't want to try gungrabbing this year.

LOL! They won't have to try it. GWB is all for it, he'll do it for them.

I don't believe for one second that AWB will be renewed. And I give DeLay and Hostettler (Liberty Caucus) most of the credit.

I don't for one second believe it won't be renewed -- probably permanently this time, no bogus "sunset" included. And I give Karl Rove all the credit. He hasn't even weighed in yet on the matter. When he did weigh in on CFR and Medifraud "reform", the Big Brave Congressmen folded like a cheap suit. It's amazing the way these guys'll vote when they're getting their arms twisted clean out of the socket.

Even the Brady Bunch has been forced to adopt more 'reasonable' tactics

Yeah -- like "maintaining the status quo."

AWB just doesn't prove much about Patriot. Except perhaps that determined grassroots activism can win against considerable odds.

LOL! Just like it did when it passed?

I wasted my time and money calling Dole's office. They said the calls were coming in fast and furious, pretty much all against. Viagradole himself said that the calls were something like 2000 to 1 against.

He voted for it.

And we still have strong allies in Congress who do merit our unreserved support.

I can't really challenge that statement, because I don't know what you mean by "we". Me, I can barely make ends meet. NWIH can I afford to send the multi-figure $$$ amounts to "my" representatives to get them to listen to what I'd like. I can just shut up and take it. Maybe you and your circle of "we" have deeper pockets than me.

25 posted on 02/20/2004 7:02:58 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Don, you're too defeatist.

We have won this one. We just need to keep the pressure on.

Let's just keep watching this one. You flag me to any AWB renewal news. I think you'll find that we can't lose on every conservative issue.

Go look around the gun sites. They don't seem all that worried, not even the militant RKBA and GOA.

I'm on the GOA mail list and there are no alerts on the AWB. Nothing on the horizon yet. We may be disappointed that our bills to protect gun manufacturers from frivolous litigation hasn't moved forward and that immunity for self-defense from zealous anti-gun prosecutors hasn't passed yet.

Those are sins of omission. The AWB would be a direct attack on the grass roots gunowerners, many of whom live in the 37 states with recent CCW legislation. Actually, I think Bush would lose at least several crucial Southern states if it passed. And I think Rove knows it.

No. I'm not worried about the AWB. But there are plenty of other things we need to watch.
26 posted on 02/20/2004 7:36:39 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Don Joe
You and I are pretty much on the same page. I'm disgusted by the whole mess.

My Perfect Morning:

While driving to work, I attempt to tune in the local NPR station to scan the official propaganda arm of the democrat party. For some reason I get nothing but dead air. I shrug and tune in one of the local classic rock stations. They are having a Pink Floyd/Led Zeppelin marathon.

Some time around 9:30 am, a co-worker comes in and informs me there has been a horrendous earthquake in Californicate, and it has just sunk into the Pacific Ocean.

At about 11 AM, I read the following headline on FreeRepublic while I'm sitting on a really boring conference call: Meteor Hits Washington DC.

The story continues...
A meteor estimated to be approximately 200 yeards across impacted with the Capital building apparently at ground zero. Everything within a 10 mile radious has been completely vaporized. The meteorite apparently contained a high proportion of natural radioactive isotopes, and it would seem the area is uninhabitable for the next 5000 years.
The entire executive, legislative, and judicial branches vanished in the fireball generated by the impact. National day of celebration is declared spontaneously across the nation.

I can dream can't I?

27 posted on 02/20/2004 7:46:25 AM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: zeugma
Heh-heh.

Somehow, I don't think the Milennium will be ushered in in exactly that way...

Besides, we'd need more meteors.
28 posted on 02/20/2004 7:54:52 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: SLB
PC Uber Alles!

The gubmint would rather have more 9-11s than confront their PC fantasies.

They'd rather use terrorism as an excuse to turn America into a vast open-air penal colony, where we are all "suspects."

"We're from the government, and we're here to help....kill you."


29 posted on 02/20/2004 8:16:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: pageonetoo; archy
"What has happened to America?"

Turning America into a police state is Big Business. Those SWAT teams aren't cheap, and there's plenty of federal budget to spread around...for a quid pro quo.


30 posted on 02/20/2004 8:20:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082040/posts

Weapons in luggage will now bring hefty fines

Weapons = Wedding Cake Service

31 posted on 02/20/2004 8:51:15 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: zeugma
Amen. I refuse to even go into an airport. There is no way I could keep from walking around going "Baaaaaa! Baaaaaa!"

Having been employed by a national airline, the last out-of-town airline security conference I had to go to, I went to via Amtrak. When asked why I had done so, I had to reply that airlines, including our own were unsafe to fly on, the pilots being so incompetent and unskilled that they couldn't even be trusted with weapons the way a 6-dollar-per-hour security guard could.

Our business was off 25% since 09/11, and was continuing to fall when I moved into a more interesting and responsible line of employment. I'd estimate conservatively that it's around 50% now, based on the number of cancelled scheduled flights and more available seating.

32 posted on 02/20/2004 12:49:28 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
One of the things I think is sad about the way the media talks about the public when it comes to flying, is they take one of either two stances... Either everything is just hunky-dory, or people are afraid to fly because of terrorism.

The former is patently absurd, as you can tell by looking at financials for any major airline (mod SouthWest). The latter is just sheer propaganda. I find it hard to believe that even with all the scare-mongering by the administration about terrorism by the press, that people really think another hijacking is likely or even possible. I personally believe hijacking is a thing of the past. That's not to say that cowardly muslim terrorists won't try to put a bomb on a flight, but the very idea that they could successfully pull off a hijack is absurd on its face. There is a monument in Pennsylvania that is a testament to what happens when people know the implications of the uses to which the flying bomb they are travelling in can be put.

Many of us aren't flying because the people who are in charge of security at airports around the country, (government drones of course), are demonstrating a complete lack of common sense in their actions. They are strip-searching 70 year old women! Only a government drone could be so stupid. The only proposal that has been made so far that would actually improve security in any appreciable measure is arming pilots. So what does FedGov do? They make the process as intrusive, abusive, arbitrary, and capricious as humany possible to discourage the very idea that we, the people, acn or should have any power over our own destiny. If one didn't know better, one would think they want air travel to be as unsafe as they can make it so they can have excuses to increase their power and control over us. Most pilots are former military. They should have more than average familiarity with weapons. That is not to mention the fact that they are already in control of the aircraft!

The whole subject of what is being done to us in the name of 'homeland security', a wonderfully teutonic turn of phrase if I've ever heard one, is something that really riles me up. I guess you've figured that out by now though.

33 posted on 02/20/2004 8:26:36 PM PST by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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