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Heads should roll' over Iraq (says Richard Perle)
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Posted on 02/18/2004 6:45:27 PM PST by Happy2BMe

Feb. 18, 2004. 01:00 AM
DANNY JOHNSTON/AP
U.S. President George W. Bush is applauded by the army and National Guard troops during a speech at Fort Polk, La., yesterday in which he defended the U.S. war in Iraq. Fort Polk is home to more than 6,300 troops who are in Iraq.
`Heads should roll' over Iraq
Adviser wants U.S. intelligence chiefs to quit

Cites faulty conclusions on Saddam's weapons

ERIC ROSENBERG
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

WASHINGTON—Richard Perle, a chief proponent of last year's U.S. invasion of Iraq, yesterday called for the chiefs of the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Defence Intelligence Agency to step down because of their faulty conclusions that Saddam Hussein possessed mass-killing weapons.

Perle, a close adviser to U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, said top officials made no attempt to skew the intelligence about Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. Instead, he implied, top policymakers relied in good faith on the conclusions of the intelligence agencies.

"George Tenet has been at the CIA long enough to assume responsibility for its performance," Perle told reporters, referring to the director of the agency. "There's a record of failure and it should be addressed in some serious way."

"The CIA has an almost perfect record of getting it wrong in relation to the (Persian) Gulf going back to the Shah of Iran," Perle said. He called for "a shakeup" in the U.S. intelligence establishment.

"I think, of course, heads should roll," he said. "When you discover that you have an organization that doesn't get it right time after time, you change the organization, including the people.

"I'd start with the head head," Perle said when asked which heads should roll at the CIA. Perle said the DIA " is in at least as bad shape as CIA (and) needs new management."

Navy Vice-Adm. Lowell Jacoby has headed the agency since July, 2002.

U.S. President George W. Bush, Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell have said they relied on intelligence from the CIA and DIA in their assertions that Saddam had stockpiles of mass-casualty weapons. The claim was the main rationale for the U.S-led invasion.

David Kay, former head of the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq, has concluded it was highly unlikely that Saddam possessed stockpiles of such weapons.

"It turns out we were all wrong, probably, in my judgment, and that is most disturbing," Kay said last month.

While Kay dismissed the prospect that stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction would ever be found in Iraq, Perle disputed him on two relatively minor claims: that Iraq wasn't seeking to enrich uranium or develop mobile weapons laboratories to manufacture chemical or biological weapons.

"The jury is still out" on those points, Perle said.

Perle, the former chairman of — and current member of — the Defence Policy Board, a senior level advisory panel to Rumsfeld, was an advocate for overthrowing Saddam, asserting in the months leading up to the war that the Iraqi dictator's weapons stockpiles posed a grave threat to the United States.

In the lead-up to the war, Perle regularly warned about Saddam's reputed arsenal and the danger that would follow if the United Nations failed to get the Iraqi dictator to disarm.

Tenet was first appointed by president Bill Clinton and confirmed by the Senate in 1997 and then moved over to the Bush administration after the 2000 election. His agency has been criticized for the Iraqi weapons episode and for failing to detect the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strikes.



TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: cia; dia; intelligence; iraq; jacoby; perle; prewarintelligence; richardperle; tenet; wmd
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To: Happy2BMe
Mr. Perle:

Perhaps it is your head that should do the rolling? HMMMMMMMMMM???????

21 posted on 02/18/2004 9:28:08 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: cowalker
"Our primary purpose was to prevent WMDs from being used by terrorists."

Thanks. I thought our primary purpose was to overthrow the SOB who defied 19 UN sanctions after he tossed out the weapons inspectors. Never mind the mass slaughter of civilians and wasting money sent to help them on an unending string of palaces and monuments. Torturing children in front of their parents was especially charming.
22 posted on 02/18/2004 9:56:05 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: cowalker
the reason we haven't found any WMDs is because there weren't any

So you actually think that Saddam destroyed his whole stockpile of WMDs? (And incidentally, the existence of these weapons in Iraq prior to '98 is beyond dispute). Assuming you're correct and one of the most brutal dictators in modern history would willingly destroy the most potent weapons in his arsenal, why then didn't he simply allow the weapons' inspectors to confirm it? It would've saved him a lot of trouble -- he might still be enjoying tossing perceived enemies into industrial shredders to this day.

23 posted on 02/18/2004 9:56:08 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: wirestripper
President Bush:

When you go to war, you kick but until the job is done even if it means forcing your way into mosques and getting the goods. All these maggots know is force.

Stop the PC bravo sierra and let our soldiers do what they went to do instead of letting them ride around in humvees to get shot at. Do you know what an Abrams M1-A1 tank is sir????

And if it takes kicking Syria's butt to get the WMD, then do it! Did not our sats see where the convoys went??? Surely you don't expect me to believe we just let them disappear. And why did you let them cross the border to begin with? What the hell kind of commander was running this war anyway that would not have had troops on the western border to prevent that very thing!!

/rant over
24 posted on 02/18/2004 10:00:54 PM PST by Indie (That earthling has stolen the Iludium 238 explosive space modulator!!)
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To: Indie
What the hell kind of commander was running this war anyway that would not have had troops on the western border to prevent that very thing!!

How do you know this is what happened?

26 posted on 02/19/2004 2:56:19 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Llort
were dismantled sometime after Gulf War I.

Could I ask you a question?

How many Gulf Wars have there been? (re your Gulf War I)

27 posted on 02/19/2004 2:57:32 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Llort
I'm strictly speaking of US/Iraq.

In your opinion, how many seperate wars have there been?
29 posted on 02/19/2004 3:11:12 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Llort
So what was Operation Desert Fox? Was it not a war?
31 posted on 02/19/2004 3:35:23 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Llort
So, what you're saying, if I have this correctly, is- if France carried out a series of limited strikes on Florida, that wouldn't be war.

When does it become war?
33 posted on 02/19/2004 3:55:41 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Llort
If France carried out a series of limited strikes on Florida it would certainly result in war,

So, you're saying striking 75 targets in Florida wouldn't be an act of war itself- it is merely something that would lead to war?

Interesting.

Let me try it this way: by going to war you want to impose your will on another government... If now a limited military action has mainly the point of adding emphasis to your demands, to demonstrate to your opponent what could be in store for him if he still refuses to comply it's still part of "diplomacy"... not yet war...

Makes senses?

Yeah, I think I understand what you're saying. As long as France doesn't mean to break our will, they could bomb Florida pretty much indiscriminately. As long as there is no political objective they were after, the actual physical act of destruction and killing our citizens wouldn't be war.

Do you think other Americans would agree with you there? It's certainly a new viewpoint for me. I think if the same situation were to happen here- France were to bomb Wales or Scotland- the Brits would view that as war. Maybe it's just a cultural thing.

36 posted on 02/19/2004 5:08:02 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: spald
Nobody has checked the basements in the Iraqi mosques.

What about checking the fertile imagination of Mr. Perle?

38 posted on 02/19/2004 6:47:00 AM PST by A. Pole (The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Syris is a likely possibility, however, I recall a lot of in and out flights from the Communist Party Leader from Russia while the build up was going on.

There was a long convoy of Saddam's advisors from Russia on the road to Syria, that a few bullets hit after no one could fly in or out.
39 posted on 02/19/2004 6:49:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Happy2BMe
I vote for Perle's head
40 posted on 02/19/2004 6:49:41 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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