Posted on 02/12/2004 7:43:32 AM PST by ThinkPlease
With luck, nothing. Of course, maybe they're only placemarkers. "Kilroy infected here."
With luck, nothing. Of course, maybe they're only placemarkers. "Kilroy infected here."
Very well debunked. I might listen again if they had a theory of their own backed by positive evidence, instead of just consisting of an attack on another theory.
I'm completely familiar with discredited Behe-ite claims of "irreducible complexity," which is just the old chestnut about the eye moved down to the cellular level. I'm uninterested because there's nothing to learn there.
ID will never have anything to teach us. It's based upon the principle of "When you get to a mystery, stop! Publish! You're done." You don't learn anything that way.
Feel free to explain yourself. "When you get to a mystery, stop! Publish! You're done." is exactly what ID is and does. How will it ever teach us anything?
This kind of ignorant strawman is what needs explaining.
And how a cell forms accidently at odds exceeding the limits of gullibility.
The models I've seen posted with stupdendous odds attached to them are all some kind of instantaneous zapping together of a complex structure. IOW, it's really the creation model, not the evolution model. I doubt even God would make a cell that way, personally. It's too improbable.
Woo-hoo! Sounds like fun!
metacognative: Yes, ID predicts than when you find living structures that could not possibly have assembled by chance, self-deluding darwinites will pretend it isn't so!
In plain English, without the gratuitous slur, "NO". There is no ID theory, hence no biological predictions.
[pretending that ID were a scientific theory with researchers]
OK, is there any group doing research to find such a thing? Keep in mind that the earlier proposals, such as eyes, blood clotting cascade, and flagella, have all been shot down.
BTW, standard biology doesn't claim that things "assembled by chance"; it claims that they evolved.
OK. Standard biology, using the phylogenetic tree, makes predictions. For example, if a retrotransposon, pseudogene, etc, is found in a single species of whale and also found, in the same place in the genome, in a single species of cow, then it will also be found (in the same place) in the genomes of all species of whale, all species of cattle, as well as all specie of goats, deer, and sheep and also hippos and giraffes.
If these predictions are not fulfilled, then there is a major problem with our understanding of biology.
But, one of the reasons that the standard theory is standard, is that this, and many, many other predictions of the same general type, are always fulfilled.
Please explain how any variation of ID, or creationism, or anything else, can make equally strong predictions.
If the evidence points to a conclusion, consider it. What is so hard to understand?
Indeed. The evidence of anatomy led Linnaeus and others to classify animals and plants into a tree structure. Now the evidence from molecular biology provides evidence for exactly the same tree structure. Every part of the genome that's been analyzed points to the exact same tree, over and over again.
If there were some exceptions to this, it might be interpreted as the whim of some designer. But there aren't any exceptions. The hypothesis of a designer increases neither the number nor the specificity of the predictions made by the standard theory.
In fact, the lack of exceptions points to the conclusion that either the hypothetical designer is constrained to follow the rules of standard biology, or that there simply isn't one. Occam's razor, anyone?
Darwinites are the ones giving up real science for a belief system that doesn't stand up to the facts.
OK. Let's see some real scientfic predictions made by using ID "theory". ... If a pseudogene is found in chimps and baboons it will be found where else? If a retrotransposon is found in a single species of dog and a single species of cat, it will also be found where?
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