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Shattering the Al Qaeda-Chechen Myth (Part One)
Peace in Chechnya.org ^ | October 2003 | Bryan Glyn Williams

Posted on 02/09/2004 7:28:26 PM PST by Jomini

In 1999, U.S. presidential candidate George Bush spoke for much of the American right when he warned the Russians that they "need to resolve the dispute (with the Chechens) peaceably and not be bombing women and children and causing huge numbers of refugees to flee Chechnya."[1] If the Russians did not stop their brutal second war against the Chechens, which had begun in the fall of 1999, Bush threatened to cut off IMF and Export-Import Bank loans to the former superpower that the Republican right, led by Senator Jesse Helms, still saw as a dangerous manifestation of the USSR.

In 1999 the Chechen insurgents were typically portrayed in the United States as Afghan-style "freedom fighters" engaged in a heroic David-versus-Goliath struggle against the neo-Russian imperium. The anti-Russian Chechen resistance was hardly viewed as a component of Osama bin Laden's "World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders," which had been formed to expel the United States from Saudi Arabia in 1998. Condoleeza Rice, the future president's National Security Advisor, best summed up the Bush administration's views of the Chechens when she announced that "not every Chechen is a terrorist and the Chechens' legitimate aspirations for a political solution should be pursued by the Russian government." [2]

Such sentiments were not limited to the American right. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Democratic President Jimmy Carter's influential National Security Advisor, similarly said of the Second Russo-Chechen War: "What should be done? To start with the U.S. should not fall for Russia's entreaty that 'we are allies against Osama bin Laden'...Terrorism is neither the geopolitical nor moral challenge here (in Chechnya)." [3]

Fast-forward two years later to the aftermath of al Qaeda's kamikaze attack on the United States. As the domestically focused Bush administration surveyed Eurasia through the new prism of the global war on terror, the Chechen resistance, whose objectives (that is, national self-determination of the sort achieved by the Baltic states) were once looked upon with a degree of tacit sympathy by the Bush administration, was suddenly discovered to be in league with the "evil ones" responsible for 9/11.

In a volte-face that stunned the moderate Chechen leadership of President Aslan Maskhadov, a pragmatic leader known for his struggle to crush Islamic extremists attempting to infiltrate his own republic, President Bush now declared that "Arab terrorists" linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization were operating on Chechen territory and ought to be "brought to justice." [4]. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell went a step further and proclaimed "Russia is fighting terrorists in Chechnya, there is no question about that, and we understand that." [5]

This reassessment in Washington was only the beginning of a process that would ultimately see the secular Chechen Sufi-mystics reconfigured by the Western press into a foaming-at-the-mouth, globe-trotting nation of al Qaeda super terrorists. The Chechens, a Sovietized nation of moderate Muslims that arguably knew the words of Marx better than Muhammad, are now suspected of being tied to Wahhabi-fundamentalist Arabs at war with the West and modernity. In the process, the Western media and government officials began the character assassination of an entire nation, one that had no previous history of animosity toward the United States or the West.

Most notably, as the United States launched Operation Enduring Freedom in an effort to destroy al Qaeda's training bases in the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Chechen-watchers and specialists on conflict and ethnicity in the Caucasus were stunned to hear a variety of newly discovered media "talking heads" matter-of-factly proclaim that, in Afghanistan, the United States and Coalition soldiers were confronting hordes of Chechens. Those who had intimately followed the progression of the first Russo-Chechen War (1994-96) and the descent into an increasingly senseless second Russian quagmire in Chechnya could not contain their shock at the veritable barrage of glib media accounts of Chechens fighting on behalf of the Pashtun-Taliban theocracy/al Qaeda terrorist organization in distant Afghanistan.

If one were to swallow uncritically the "expert" testimony of the media "pundits," the outgunned Army of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (currently considered by Russian sources to consist of 1,200 mountain fighters engaged in a life-and-death struggle with 80,000 Russian Federal troops) had somehow developed the logistic capacity (and the desire) to project "hundreds" of apparently unneeded fighters across Eurasia and through American-controlled air space over Afghanistan to defend illiterate Pashtun-Deobandi-Taliban puritans.

Specialists on Afghanistan were as bewildered as Chechnya experts by this blitz of media accounts referring to the important role that Chechens were suddenly playing in the doomed Pashtun-Taliban regime's defense of its puritanical "religious concentration camp." Afghan watchers were quite familiar with the Taliban's increasing reliance on the al Qaeda's "International Islamic Brigade" (that is, the 055 Brigade, a shock unit made up of Uzbek extremists from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Arab jihadis, and Pakistani militants), but no Afghan experts had ever heard of Chechens serving so far from home in the Taliban's increasingly costly spring offensives against the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. While Juma Namangani's Uzbek extremist-jihadis (members of the Northern Afghanistan-based Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), as well as Arabs (who had openly fought and trained in Afghanistan as mujahideen volunteers and al Qaeda terrorists), and Pakistani Pashtuns from the neighboring North West Frontier Province all had a long and widely documented presence in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan...the Chechen highlanders were encircled in the far away Caucasus by Russian Federation forces and were completely unknown to the Afghans.

Despite the commonsensical queries that should have arisen in the western media surrounding the unsubstantiated rumors of Chechens appearing in Afghanistan as "die-hard al Qaeda fighters," no one in the industry questioned these wild claims in the winter of 2001-2002.

As the "dots were connected" between the Taliban and the Chechens, the western rumor mill also began to speak of the Chechen separatists' nefarious involvement in the global struggle of al Qaeda. On any given moment one could turn on the television and see newly discovered "experts," with no field expertise in Afghanistan or Chechnya, blithely predicting that a cornered Osama bin Laden (an Arab-speaking Wahhabi) would somehow find refuge in the "wild lands of the Islamic militants" of Chechnya (an inaccessible republic encircled by an 80,000-man Russian occupation army).

As the war on terrorism unfolded, uninformed American television audiences were confidently told that Chechens were involved in every manner of al Qaeda global mischief and mayhem, from acting as "white-skinned European-looking Al Qaeda infiltrator-hijackers" (a remarkable achievement for a swarthy, dark-haired Caucasian mountain nation known to the Russians by their racist epithet as cheorny--"niggers"), to providing al Qaeda with ricin chemical laboratories in the rugged mountains of Chechnya and neighboring Georgia (ricin is of course one of the most unstable biological weapons and requires advanced technology and facilities to manufacture). Since the American public discovered the various ethnic groups of Eurasia in the aftermath of 9/11 a veritable Chechen rumor industry has emerged. This would be laughable were it not for the fact that the Chechens, a nation undergoing horrible crimes against humanity at the hands of the brutal Russian Federation forces, are being misconstrued as nation of ubiquitous al Qaeda ethno-terrorists.

This author has taken great pleasure in collecting particularly preposterous examples of this genre of outlandish media accounts, examples that serve to demonstrate the ways in which the Western press has inadvertently played into the hands of the Russian Federation's "agitprop" spin-meisters. Below are some of my favorites:

--Earlier this month, Russian military sources were quoted as saying that they had intercepted Chechen rebel communications indicating that "mercenaries" fighting in Chechnya were heading to Afghanistan to fight on behalf of the Taliban and that "several hundred" Chechens were already fighting there alongside 3,000-4,000 Arabs and 5,000-7,000 Pakistanis. (Secondhand account critically assessed in the Jamestown Foundation's Monitor, Vol. 7, Issue 216, Nov. 26, 2001.)

--Al-Watan reported that bin Laden had obtained nuclear material from his Chechen contacts. Reportedly, al Qaeda's Chechen branch paid the Russian mafia US$30 million in cash and two tons of opium in exchange for warhead materials that could be used in the making of a "suitcase nuke." (Mark Riebling and R.P. Eddy, "Jihad@Work. Behind the Moscow-Theater Attack." National Review Preview. March 24, 2003.)

--According to Yossef Bodansky, director of the U.S Congress Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, the war in Chechnya had been planned during a secret summit of Hizballah International held in Mogadishu, Somalia. The summit was attended by Osama bin Laden and high ranking Iranian and Pakistani intelligence officers. In this regard the involvement of Pakistan's ISI in Chechnya "goes far beyond supplying the Chechens with weapons and expertise: the ISI and its radical Islamic proxies are actually calling the shots in the war." (Levon Sevunts, "Who's Calling the Shots? Chechen Conflict Finds Islamic Roots in Afghanistan and Pakistan, The Gazette, Montreal, October 26, 1999.)

--It is estimated that a total of 8,000 Chechens fought in Afghanistan and most of them died at their posts covering the retreats from Bagram, Mazar-i-Sharif and other cities. ("Friendless Chechens shield Taliban despite vast differences in beliefs," Straight Goods, Ken Hechtman, March 15, 2002.)

--Antiterrorist police have focused on an alleged Algerian-dominated network whose operatives are believed to have received specialized training with biological and chemical weapons at al Qaida camps in the Russian republic of Chechnya. ("French Believe Poison is tied to al Qaeda Plots," St. Petersburg Times, March 23, 2002.)

My personal all time favorite, however, has to be the following account:

--The U.S. Customs Service issued a bulletin late last week urging law enforcement to be on the lookout for two possible Chechen terrorists who may try to enter the United States through Mexico, then travel to Montana. ("Are Chechen terrorists headed for Montana?" Chris Vlasto, ABC News.)

A google search on "Chechens in Afghanistan" or "Chechens al Qaeda" will bring up hundreds of such nonsensical media hits which would seem to indicate that the Chechen chimera has the potential to send 8,000 (sic) "white skinned" mafia-hijackers armed with suitcase nukes, opium, and biological weapons to Montana to do the evil bidding of Hezbollah (an Arab Shiite organization at war with Israel), the Pakistani ISI, and al Qaeda. Truly an extraordinary global feat for an out-gunned insurgent movement of 1,200 clan-based fighters engaged in a desperate guerilla war against the powerful Russian Federation.

In light of such seemingly preposterous accusations one would expect the media to engage in some investigatory research on the Chechens. In particular, the question that begs to be asked in this frenzied climate is "have the Chechens really taken on the struggle of al Qaeda and the (neo)Taliban as their own?" Is there any shred of evidence to support the claims made above? If "hundreds" or "thousands" of Chechens were, or still are, involved in the Afghan theater and in the atomized al Qaeda movement's global plots, then surely one Chechen fighter/terrorist would have been apprehended, photographed, interviewed, or killed in Afghanistan...or in the breakup of al Qaeda cells world wide.

If there is no proof to substantiate these claims, then this lack of evidence should surely lead to some critical reassessments by the U.S. and allied Coalition governments. Sadly, to date the U.S. government has not launched an in-depth probe into this issue. The Chechens remain a strange new al Qaeda bogey that mysteriously emerged on 9/11 to serve as elusive "super-terrorists" in an Arab megalomaniac's "jihad against the Crusaders and Zionists."

Fortunately, several reliable eyewitnesses (with expertise in both Chechen and Afghan affairs of the sort glaringly absent among the "talking head pundits" rolled out by the Western media after 9/11) have carried out bona fide searches for the mysterious Chechen specters in Afghanistan (though not yet Montana).

Among those to visit and interview hundreds of foreign prisoners of war captured by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in Northern Afghanistan was Robert Young Pelton, a veteran combat reporter. Pelton, who had spent time in the trenches with the Chechen separatists during the Russian siege of Grozny (winter 1999), made his way to Mazar-i-Sharif in search of Chechen fighters, many of whom he may well have expected to know personally. Although Pelton soon discovered scores of Arabs, Uzbeks, Pakistanis, and even one American among the al Qaeda 055 Brigade/Taliban prisoners of war, he encountered no Chechens. For his part, Johnny Walker Lindh (a.k.a. "the American Taliban"), a uniquely qualified source who actually served as a Taliban foot soldier in Mazar-i-Sharif and Kunduz, told Pelton "Here, in Afghanistan, I haven't seen any Chechens."

Carlotta Gall, another correspondent with first hand experience in Chechnya, also went to Afghanistan in search of Chechens and came up empty handed. She had the following to say on the existence of Chechens among the 3,500 al Qaeda/Taliban POWs held by the Northern Alliance at Shiberghan in Afghanistan:

More than 2,000 of the prisoners are Afghans, of whom only the commanders will probably be of interest to the United States. More than 700 are Pakistanis, with smaller numbers from other countries of the Islamic world; Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Sudan, Morocco, Iraq, the Muslim republics of Russia, and the countries of Central Asia. Despite assertions by the Afghans that there were many people from Russia's separatist Chechnya region fighting for the Taliban, there is not one Chechen among the prisoners. [6]

A breakdown of the nationalities of the Taliban/al Qaeda "illegal combatant detainees" subsequently taken by the American military for interrogation in Camps X-Ray and Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, supports these first hand accounts that unanimously dismiss the notion of Chechens in Afghanistan. While the American military eventually captured and took to Cuba over 680 suspected Al Qaeda foot soldiers/terrorists from more than forty-two countries (most of whom were Arabs, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, and Afghans), not one Chechen was detained by U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

The question that begs to be asked if the facts on the ground flatly refute the existence of the Chechens in Afghanistan is "How did the legend of the Chechens fighting for the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan come to have such currency in America after 9/11 that it shaped U.S. foreign policy towards the Russian Federation and Chechnya in subsequent months?" The second part of this paper will critically analyze the history of Chechen links to Afghanistan and al Qaeda and trace the history of the Russian government's surprisingly successful efforts to conflate its war against nationalist insurgents in Chechnya to the Coalition's war against global Islamic terrorism.

FOOTNOTES: 1. For an analysis of the White House's changing post-9/11 perceptions of the Chechens see my forthcoming article, "From Secessionist 'Rebels' to 'Al Qaeda Shock Brigades.' Critically Assessing Russia's Efforts to Extend the Post-September 11th War on Terror to Chechnya." Comparative Studies on South Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, vol. 23, no. 2. 2003; Michael McFaul, "U.S. Foreign Policy and Chechnya," The Century Foundation, March 2003, p. 22, http://reports.stanleyfoundation.org/EAIrussiaB03p.pdf . 2. Ibid. p. 26. 3. Zbigniew Brzezinski "Why The West Should Care About Chechnya," Wall Street Journal, November 10, 1999. 4. "Western Leaders Re-evaluate Their Stance on the Chechen War," Jamestown Foundation Monitor, September 27, 2001. 5. Thomas de Waal, "Greetings from Grozny," PBS, Wide Angle, http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/chechnya/briefing.html. See also, Ambassador Stephen Minikes, "Statement on Chechnya, " OSCE, Vienna, June 6, 2002, http://www.usosce.rpo.at/archive/2002/06/06chechnya.htm . 6. Carlotta Gall, "Fighters were lured to Afghanistan by Islam, Holy War, and Promise of Escape," New York Times, January 1, 2002.

Dr. Brian Glyn Williams is assistant professor of Islamic History at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth


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Since the assassination of Mr Fusion on Friday I have become very interested in the Chechen war of liberation versus Russia. I remember how the opposition went to such extremes to assassinate general Masoud two days before Septmeber 11. So when opposition forces go to such lengths again I want to pay attention.

What I am learning is how the western press has been misled by "the Russian Federation's agitprop spinmeisters" according to this article. The article is long but I believe offers a contrary view to much of the venom that has been spewed in this forum since last week's escalation of the war.

I would be interested in substantive dialogues and comments in this forum concerning this issue. It appears the so-called "al Qaeda-Chechen connection" is nothing more than a revisionist myth.

If that is the case one must wonder why so much time and money is going into misleading the American public during an election year.

Westerby

1 posted on 02/09/2004 7:28:27 PM PST by Jomini
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To: Jomini
Well G., it would appear that nobody has glommed onto the fact that you and Fusion are one in the same.

How long do you think that's going to last for?

2 posted on 02/09/2004 7:36:37 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Jomini; RussianConservative; MarMema; Incorrigible; Wraith; getoffmylawn; wonders; ...
Hello Russian Conservative

I have started my education about the war between Chechnya and the Russian Federation and I have learned many things.

First of all you are right, the KGB is inactive. I was wrong and they are now called the FSS. These are the people who round up Chechen males and send them to concentration camps or sometimes execute them without a trial.

I have also learned Chechens have been fighting Russia for over 150 years. This makes me think it is not about terrorism but a long-term nationalist battle.

I also learned Mr Stalin deported hundreds of thousand of Chechens from their homelands in the 1950s and sent them to Siberia. I can see where some people would be upset about this and want to fight back even if odds are long and fight is tough.

I also see where the Chechen Army defeats small Russian units every day. A man from the AP named Yuri Bagrov writes about this a couple times a week. I would post the article here but I don't want to be assassinated by FSS like Mr Fusion was.

On another post you equated the KKK with people from North Carolina. I don't think that is fair or appropriate in the 21st century. As a foreigner you are not expected to be aware of these things, but in America some people see that kind of thinking as racist.

Westerby

3 posted on 02/09/2004 7:40:56 PM PST by Jomini (When the Russian army leaves Chechnya, the Chechen Army will leave Russia)
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To: Jomini
No one is saying that Putin is a nice guy. But our main enemies, potential or actual, are Islamists and Communist China. I think we can work with Putin on that, although there will be some rough spots.
4 posted on 02/09/2004 7:41:41 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jomini
When the Islamic terrorists get out of Chechnya, there might be peace.
5 posted on 02/09/2004 7:43:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hoplite
I had the same thought just about an hour ago, while posting chechen atrocity material to the enlightened Jom.
6 posted on 02/09/2004 7:51:28 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jomini
I'll spare putting the picture on here of the Chechnyan Islamic method of killing prisoners. Hint: You hear the gargle of blood and air rushing in - until the sever is complete.

No, these are the same Islamofacists that hide in caves in Pakistan and kill women and children on buses in Israel.
7 posted on 02/09/2004 7:51:45 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Jomini; RussianConservative
I have started my education about the war between Chechnya and the Russian Federation and I have learned many things.

Well you obviously have not learned much or well. Keep trying. We have years and years on you, but you can eventually get it. I hope.

8 posted on 02/09/2004 7:53:22 PM PST by MarMema
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To: rbmillerjr
No, these are the same Islamofacists that hide in caves in Pakistan and kill women and children on buses in Israel.

Wahabi scum = wahabi scum = wahabi scum.

9 posted on 02/09/2004 7:54:23 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Hoplite
Shhhhhhhhh!!  Not everyone had read your excellent research!

Fusion's Fractured Fairy Tale

10 posted on 02/09/2004 7:56:51 PM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Jomini; Destro
While you are at it, brainchild, do please explain to us how one of the greatest chechen fighters ever was from Jordan, and was just recently replaced by some Saudi terrorist expert. Of course, the chechens are not linked to the rest of the world's islamic killers, nah, just a coincidence that Bin Laden paid the chechens to behead those 4 men a few years ago.

Des, where was that thread on the new Saudi taking Khattab's place?

You still have a LOT to learn, JOM, but I am willing to help you.

11 posted on 02/09/2004 7:57:32 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jomini
Myth this

"The introduction of Khattab into the Caucasus region can explain not only the rise of the SPIR, but also two other Chechen terror groups--the Islamic International Brigade (IIB) and Riyadus-Salikhin Reconnaissance and Sabotage Battalion of Chechen Martyrs. All three groups — loosely formed and interconnected — were intimately involved in the Moscow hostage crisis, sharing fighters, weapons, and tactics. According to press reports, this was due to Khattab and bin Laden’s shared desire in 1995 to “create one Muslim nation on the Caucasus under fundamentalist rule.” Subsequently, millions of dollars per month were funneled into the region to fund this initiative, and shortly there after, Chechens began receiving terror training in Afghanistan as well as indoctrination of the Wahabbi creed in various “learning centers” across Chechnya . Some reports suggest as many as 1,000 recruits passed through these centers during this time. It was these events that were the impetus for the radical Chechen movements of today, such as the SPIR, IIB, and Riyadus-Salikhin."

12 posted on 02/09/2004 8:00:43 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jomini
Look, this isn't hard.

Jihadists come to my country, the USA, spray my people with exploding jet fuel, at more than 2000 degrees forcing my people from the windows of a 110 story building, sending my people to a splattering death on NYC pavement, only to have their burned splattered bodies pummeled under millions of tons of twisted concrete and steel, and to watch their family identify their flecks and fingernails at a place called fresh-kills.

When Putin says:

"Russia doesn't conduct negotiations with terrorists -- it destroys them,"

All I can say is: "How can I help?"

I learned long ago that there is no such thing as nations, only interests. The interest that is attempting to confiscate a piece of Russia is the same interest that declared war on my country on 9/11, and their going to loose, in this lifetime, or next.

I hope you find the above simple truth to be enlightening and educational.

13 posted on 02/09/2004 8:00:44 PM PST by ChadGore (Viva Bush. He's EARNED a second term.)
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To: Jomini
"In October 1999, for instance, it is believed representatives of Basayev and Khattab traveled to Kandahar province in Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden to secure military assistance, additional financial aid, and fighters to be sent to Chechnya and Dagestan to take on the Russians. Khattab had originally met bin Laden in 1987 as mujahideen partners during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan , and from 1989 to 1994, was believed to have returned to the country to secure further contacts with elements of the radical Chechen resistance. Shamil Basayev traveled personally to Afghanistan as well, visiting Khost province in 1994 to meet with Khattab and to tour various mujahadeen camps and to receive training and Islamic fighters to return to Chechnya with. "

Same link as my post above...

14 posted on 02/09/2004 8:02:44 PM PST by MarMema
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To: ChadGore
All I can say is: "How can I help?"

Me, I am willing to help supply all the toilets needed for Putin to take out the chechens.

15 posted on 02/09/2004 8:05:08 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jomini; Destro
Never mind, Des.

Found it

"Abu-al-Walid al-Ghamidi, 36, has been identified by the FSB, the Russian intelligence service, as one of the most powerful figures in the Chechen rebel leadership. As the commander of several hundred Arabs fighting alongside the rebels, he is thought to have been responsible for a wave of suicide bomb attacks that have killed more than 200 people in just over a year."

"Walid, a follower of the Wahhabi sect that dominates worship in Saudi Arabia, signalled the determination of Chechen extremists to take their war against the Kremlin to Russian soil when he broadcast a statement from the republic last year on Al-Jazeera, the Arab television network. “If operations in Chechnya continue they will harm Chechen people, so we have decided to export operations inside Russia,” declared Walid, a bearded man with long black hair who wore a uniform and spoke against the backdrop of a Chechen flag."

Gee now why is Al Jazeera broadcasting pro-chechen speeches by Saudis. Hmm, I wonder if there is a connection between all the islamic terrorists of the world?

16 posted on 02/09/2004 8:19:07 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Jomini
Here is some correction to your "lessons"

These are the people who round up Chechen males and send them to concentration camps or sometimes execute them without a trial. I have also learned Chechens have been fighting Russia for over 150 years. This makes me think it is not about terrorism but a long-term nationalist battle.

Though autrocity happen, true, there is no concentrated effort, otherwise all Chechins long dead. As for 150 years, it is 150 years that Chechins raid and slave on Russian Tarek Cossaks (Tarek land is north half of modern day Chechnya). Did you know Chechyns Stalin allie in 1920s to murder Tarek Cossaks and in exchange Stalin as minister of minorities rewrote map and give them Christian land and Christian city Grozny? Probably not. Well now you learned. Chechins also take slaves from Orthodox Ossessions, Georgians, Abkhazians too and Muslims Daghistanies and Azerbajanies and Inguishians...why all neighbors dispise Chechins. You have much to learn and make many leftwing assumptions based on half truth and PC BS taught in West....keep trying.

17 posted on 02/09/2004 8:26:35 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: MarMema
Stop that, next you say that Kashmire, Ab-Ni-Sayef, Indonesian jihad flotillas, Sudanese genocide armies, Taliban, KLA, Bosniak leadership, PLO, Hezbullah, Hamas all linked....never, I say, never...
18 posted on 02/09/2004 8:30:25 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Jomini
Try another tag line: When US troops leave Arab land, Arab troops leave US land....maybe you get irony of statement...but I doubt it.
19 posted on 02/09/2004 8:33:25 PM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative

20 posted on 02/09/2004 8:33:33 PM PST by MarMema
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