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How did the Kerry cookies crumble?
The Hill ^ | 1-29-04 | Sam Deally

Posted on 01/31/2004 9:25:59 AM PST by tvn

To hear Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) tell it, his brief foray into the cookie business in the late 1970s gives him a leg up on the concerns of small-business owners. Earlier this month, the Democratic presidential candidate introduced his small-business program with vignettes from his own cookie-making experience.

Yet all that experience kind of, well, crumbles, in the mind of David Liederman, another cookie entrepreneur. Liederman, the founder of the David’s Cookies chain, claims Kerry ripped off the idea from him.

“The bottom line is he just stole it from me,” said Liederman, now a restaurateur and real estate developer in the New York City suburbs.

The Kerry campaign sharply dismissed Liederman’s charge.

file photo Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)

“Clearly, the guy who started David’s Cookies didn’t invent cookies,” said spokesman David DiMartino. “John Kerry absolutely denies this charge.”

Kerry’s former venture serves as the backdrop for a number of campaign publicity measures designed to woo voters. In a Vogue magazine profile last year featuring the presidential candidate in surfing wear, Kerry discussed the cookie business at some length.

After dinner one night in Boston, Kerry said, he and a friend had a hankering for cookies. Their search took them to Faneuil Hall. There was no cookie store to be found, but there was an empty retail space. An idea was born, and a store soon followed. The pair named their shop, Kilvert & Forbes Ltd., after their mother’s maiden names, and eventually sold their interest when Kerry’s political career intervened.

“It was a late-night inspiration,” Kerry told Vogue. “I had always had this entrepreneurial piece of me, and I saw it as a great business opportunity.” And this experience, Kerry continued, “stood me in great stead on the [Senate] Small Business Committee.”

However, Liederman recalls a different version of how Kerry’s cookie venture crumbled.

“Some guy who called me up was John Kerry, in ’79 or ’80,” Liederman recalled. “He said he wanted to come down and talk to me about franchising. He came to the office and said he had an incredible space in Boston, which was Faneuil Hall. He said he needed some plans and some layouts and all sorts of things to get the approval of the landlord.”

“So I gave him the layout, the package, and he went back and I didn’t hear from him for six or seven months.”

Then one day Liederman got a call from someone who said they’d seen one of his stores in Faneuil Hall. Not having a store in Boston, Liederman decided to have a look for himself.

“It was a direct, 100-percent knock off of David’s Cookies,” said Liederman, from the appliances to the shop’s design to the cookies themselves. “If you had walked into a David’s Cookie’s store in Manhattan at the same time he opened ‘John’s Cookies’ in Boston, you couldn’t tell the difference.”

In his 1989 autobiography “Running Through Walls,” where the charge first appeared, Liederman wrote that he challenged Kerry on the origin of his business. “I told him he had stolen my idea, and he replied: ‘You’re absolutely right. I am a politician; I shouldn’t be in the cookie business, so let me sell you my store,’” Liederman wrote.

Liederman never bought the store, he said, because Kerry was operating it in violation of his lease. “He was supposed to be selling jams and jellies, not cookies,” he wrote.

DiMartino denied the exchange took place. “John Kerry does not recall having the conversation Mr. Liederman discusses in his book,” he said. “The facts included in Mr. Liederman’s complaint don’t match reality.”

Still, if he wants it, Kerry hasn’t quite lost Liederman’s vote.

“I’d support anybody that wasn’t Bush,” he said. “If Kerry got the nomination, I’d


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 2004elections; cookiebusiness; johnfkerry; johnkerry; primaries
John Kerry caught in a case of BAKE AND SWITCH!!!!
1 posted on 01/31/2004 9:26:01 AM PST by tvn
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To: tvn
John Kerry? Do I have the right Kerry in mind this time? Not Bob Kerry?
2 posted on 01/31/2004 9:30:24 AM PST by Enterprise ("You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say.")
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How shocking - A democRAT who's dishonest!
3 posted on 01/31/2004 9:43:59 AM PST by Wumpus Hunter (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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How shocking - A democRAT who's dishonest!

 He had to be. How else could he make it in the private sector? BTW I'm positive Kerry was getting a government paycheck at the time he had this cookie business. John Kerry has been on the government payroll for decades. I can't find any jobs in the private sector. This cookie business (which must have been open all of 18 months) is at close at it gets.
4 posted on 01/31/2004 10:02:11 AM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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"Yeah, he lied, cheated, and ripped me off, but I still hate Bush more." What a chump.
5 posted on 01/31/2004 10:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: dennisw
What gets me, is this idiot would STILL vote for botoxman.
6 posted on 01/31/2004 10:16:38 AM PST by bornintexas
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To: tvn
Cookies again? Oh no! Any freeper remember during the clintoonian campaign trail the deal about Hitlery and her cookies--a ploy to change the average voter that Hitlery was indeed a "bake her cookies" mom? Made me sick to my stomach. This new fabricated image was to counteract W's Mom's real mother image.
7 posted on 01/31/2004 10:25:53 AM PST by lilylangtree
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THe following is David Liederman's complete closing quote which was not included in the original post:


“I’d support anybody that wasn’t Bush,” he said. “If Kerry got the nomination, I’d absolutely support him — although Bush never stole David’s Cookies from me.”
8 posted on 01/31/2004 10:27:55 AM PST by tvn
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Everyone knows you don't use Toxic Dip with cookies!


9 posted on 01/31/2004 10:31:17 AM PST by Lady Jag (It's in the bag)
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People say Kerry is the democrats' Bob Dole. Bob Dole is boring, for sure, but he never screwed anyone over.
10 posted on 01/31/2004 10:32:22 AM PST by BobS
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One thing's for sure, Kerry makes me want to toss my cookies.
11 posted on 01/31/2004 10:35:53 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (Won't you please, won't you please, please won't you be my neighbor?)
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I was feeling sorry for the David's Cookie dude until reading the last paragraph:

“I’d support anybody that wasn’t Bush,” he said. “If Kerry got the nomination, I’d absolutely support him — although Bush never stole David’s Cookies from me.”

What a moron.

12 posted on 01/31/2004 2:12:24 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: tvn
"After dinner one night in Boston, Kerry said, he and a friend had a hankering for cookies."

Do you think he got the munchies after a few bong hits?

13 posted on 05/04/2004 11:13:52 AM PDT by Feiny (This post ain't for everybody, just the sexy freepers.)
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To: tvn
John Kerry is sooooo toast.
14 posted on 05/04/2004 11:15:04 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Free Terri Schiavo!!!)
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Except for the lying department, Kerry is not very creative. He imitates.

For instance, he ripped off John Kennedy's quip when Kennedy accompanied Jackie to Paris; he announced his candidacy for pres. for the 2nd time in Charleston, SC, beside a decommissioned aircraft carrier (a la Bush's landing on one) (TeRAYza even served cookies there...a la Hillary); his announcement to "Bring it on" is reminiscent of Bush's remark about the terrorists; he hugged wife on TV (Gore/Tipper); he wears an airforce leather jacket for which he is not qualified (Bush w/Blair in press conference); his sports shots are in skiing, hockey, bike riding, motor cycle...on stand), yet he can't even catch a football (see photo of same); claims to be a "shooter" (w/complete, coordinating outfit for same) vs Bush outdoor interests (and expertise) in chainsawing cedars and fishing.

And now we learn from this macho-deprived candidate that he has not only flown a jet (as has Bush), but Kerry has flown it upside down over Israel.

Naomi Wolfe had Algore in alpha male colors, but Terayza has dressed Kerry in pastel ties....(lot of pink ones), so what does it mean?

15 posted on 05/04/2004 12:03:00 PM PDT by Carolinamom (No man or woman is poor if he/she can laugh.)
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