Call Your Broker.. (Howard Dean Staff Rearching Archives on Brokered Democratic Conventions)

American Spectator Magazine ^ | January 28, 2003 | The Washington Prowler

[cottonseed]

CALL YOUR BROKER

With almost every poll showing Howie Dean trailing John Kerry leading into next week's [Junior Tuesday] primaries--in some cases Dean is running third or fourth behind John Edwards and Wesley Clark--his campaign is looking at what he would have to do to grab enough delegate support to play a role in a brokered Democratic convention.

'If we can't be the clear cut winner, we want at least a hand in who that winner will be,' says a Dean adviser in Washington.

'We're not just going to let guys like Kerry and Edwards have it easy after [Super Tuesday] March 2.

Given the lack of a clear cut frontrunner, talk of a brokered convention in Washington has begun.

Should Edwards and Clark win primaries next week, that talk will only intensify.

[cottonseed]

As Rich Lowry of National Review Magazine says today in his column-call me a honorary Deaniac from now on!!

[Voltage]

Advice for Dean: Call Ralph Nader, maybe you can make a deal.

[cottonseed]

Or Dennis Kucinich!

[Arrowhead1952]

cottonseed
Since Jan 28, 2004

5..4..3..2..1..

ZOT

[cottonseed]

Zot for what?

[1Old Pro]

Dean has the cash to stay in the race to the convention and he'll get many delegates if he continues coming in 2nd and third. Kerry will probably not do as well as Edards in the South. Weasely Clark will also get delagtes in the South. Thus, come convention time the 4 reamining people in the race: Kerry,Edwards,Dean & Clark will have to make a deal, i.e. brokered convention.

Hillary and Bill hold the trump card, they decide who gets Clark's delagates thus controlling who the candidate is. They also get to keep control of the DNC as a qid pro quo for their (clarks)delagates.

[Jack Black]

Well the ideal would probably a three person race to get a brokered convention. If you look at New Hampshire none of the 3rd, 4th and 5th place finishers got delegates. At 13%, 12% and 10% respectively they fell below the 15% threshold. One of them, at least, needs to drop out. As it is they are helping the front runner. Don't forget either that there is a small but significant number of "Super Delegates" who are not elected in each state. These could spell the difference in a close race. If it is clear that no one has enough committed delegates prior to the convention the real horse trading will take place prior to the first round vote to put the leader over the top with super-delegates. That will probably be Kerry, and he is *much* better positioned to win super-delegates than Dean. He has not run a "Washington Bashing" campaign, he knows all the Senators and probably a lot of the House folks, he's a senior team player for the Donkeys. For this to work there need to be not one, but TWO, strong candidates who together prevent Kerry+Super Delegates=number needed to nominate. Dean + Clark? Dean + Edwards? Maybe. One thing for sure, the sooner Joe leaves the better for us.

[cottonseed]

I think Clark has to win something (Arizona?) to stay on as a serious candidate, same thing for Dean.

If Howie doesnt win Michiagan or Wisconsin how can he come up with the funds he needs anywhere else?

[cottonseed]

Howard Dean said last night he was finished unless he won Michigan or Wisconsin (union dominated states)

Edwards is finished unless he dominated South Carolina.

Clark must pull out one in Arizona or somehwere else down south..

Lieberman is already dead man walking

[AmishDude]

People just get jumpy around here. Most of us don't post articles on our first day at FR. Nearly everyone who does is a troll. Sorry for that.

Let me say: Welcome to the forum, have a look around and join in the discussion.

[goldstategop]

The best thing about Howard Dean is he'll make life impossible for the Democratic presidential nominee if its a brokered convention.

[Arrowhead1952]

Joined today and the article is one year old.

(January 28, 2003 | The Washington Prowler)

Either you got the wrong date or this is a DU troll type posting.

[MamaLucci]

Kewl,a democrat free for all!

[Zack Nguyen]

This is glorious. But I'll believe it when I see it. Both parties set up the rules precisely so this sort of thing won't happen - so that an unpredictable firebrand like Dean can't take control of the party and upend everybody's power applecart. Republicans do it too. Remember that Pat Buchanan was just overwhelmed after New Hampshire? Same idea here.

[hchutch]

Lieberman's supporters might ultimately end up voting for Bush. Some of the Gephardt supporters, too. Especially if Dean keeps pushing John F***ing Kerry to the left.

And I think the Dems will pander to the Deaniacs. They have to in order to have a prayer of surviving. Dean's donor list is perhaps the largest thing they have in rterms of small donors of hard money - where the RNC has a huge advantage.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

Hillary and Bill hold the trump card, they decide who gets Clark's delagates thus controlling who the candidate is. They also get to keep control of the DNC as a qid pro quo for their (clarks)delagates.

That's why the Clintons are meeting in DC.

CLINTONS SEEK TO RIGHT DEM SHIP

[cottonseed]

The article is from today. Look it up at the link!

[cottonseed]

The article is from today. Look it up at the link!

[cottonseed]

I dont think that Kerry will win on the first ballot unless Edwards makes a deal for the VP slot.

[discostu]

I think it's a lot more than just talk of a brokered convention. With the pace of primaries this year and the way the field is splitting the votes and the fact that the Dems primaries aren't winner take all there's a very good chance of nobody getting enough delegates to win. If Dean and Clark stay in they virtually garauntee that the convention must be brokered.

[No.6]

Article as posted reads 1/28/2004

[cottonseed]

Remember, John Edwards is not running for re-election in the US Senate.

His speaking fees would go up considerably if he was to give Kerry his delegates in exchange for the VP nod in a brokered situation.

[cottonseed]

I cant wait for Howie to pout a prime time speaking slot if he doesnt have the delegates needed to stop Kerry.

[Mr. Bird]

Who gives a rat's if he joined today? Someone should ZOT your a** if you keep picking on the guy. The post is fine. Want me to knock you for being a newbie?

[Arrowhead1952]

Article as posted reads 1/28/2004

I didn't check the link. Sorry bout that.

[Condor51]

YIKES! Just 'cuz you made a typo you became a ZOT candidate!?!?
HINT; Next time 'copy & paste'.

[NeoCaveman]

Or Dennis Kucinich!

Dennis needs a running mate for the Natural Law Party.

You heard it here first.

[okie01]

"At 13%, 12% and 10% respectively they fell below the 15% threshold."

I believe the "15% threshold" applies only to the local caucus preferences in the Iowa caucus alone. And, then, not even to the allocation of delegates in Iowa. As I recall, somebody came out of Iowa with just 1 or 2 delegates.

Clark, Edwards and Lieberman all got some delegates out of NH.

[.cnI redruM]

The Dems may have a problem, if Dean holds his donor list, there will be a hissy fit...

For the record. I see no reason for you to be zotted.

[ctonious]

Howard Dean Staff Researching Archives on Brokered Democratic Conventions

I imagine all the archives are missing, but will eventually show up with Hillary's fingerprints all over them.

[BushisTheMan]

If Howie doesnt win Michiagan or Wisconsin how can he come up with the funds he needs anywhere else?

Dean is being kept alive financially by the gay community. Almost every event he has held to date has been sponsored by someone gay. The gay community wants Howard to win because he'll force the vote for gay marriage from Vermont to every state in the United States. Gays have higher income averages than others per capita.

I'm hoping Howard breaks off to a new 3rd party. Wonder what the party name will be?

[ambrose]

Dean may demand that Terry McAwful, the Clintons' bagman, take a hike...

[curmudgeonII]

Face it. The nominees for both parties have been settled way before the conventions since the 1960's.
In fact, the nominees have been settled before the state in which I live [Indiana] has voted in its primary since the 1960's.

[spacewarp]

You're missing something. The Green Party. They announced (and so did their former candidate Nader) that they would not run a candidate if Dean was the Democrat Nominee. If he wasn't, then they would run someone, and Nader said if Dean wasn't, he would run. So, the Greenies have already said they're backing Dean. Now, the choices are Dean wins and the Greenies "rejoin the fold" of the Dumbocrat party, or he loses and the Greenies talk him into a Green Party run and he splinters the D's. If he decides to stick to principles and stay with the D's after a loss unless he's the VP pick, then a vast majority of his support will probably shift to the Greenies anyway and whomever they pick.

(Breathe Paul. Paragraphs are our friends. But where to break that train of thought???)

Anyway, it's looking good however you look at it because Dean had such a strong base (even if they're a little scared now).

Could lead up to the rise of a new third party if the D's splinter and Bush keeps moving the R's to the left. Maybe a coalition of the conservative third parties.

Paul

[BushisTheMan]

I knew about the Green Party. It's history is too negative for Dean and Dean knows that Nader controls it. He won't join the Greens but the Greens might nominate him. My opinion is still that Dean will go 3rd party but not the Greens.

And I'd never join a 3rd party conservatives party. My man is Bush (obvious from my screen name). Bush is strong against terrorism so he's my man.

[Wphile]

I don't think Dean has the money. Another thread said he's foregoing any advertising in the states participating in primaries next week. Then I heard on the news, that he is asking his staff to take a two week deferment for their pay. He's not even making payroll. Seems all this talk about $40 million in the bank was baloney.

[spacewarp]

What about after Bush is done? Would you eat green eggs and ham then? You sound like Sam I Am with that. "I know what I like, and I don't want to try anything new." This is not your father's Republican party. I'm supporting Bush this year, unless he goes further to the left. After that, no Democrat, and only a few Republicans will get my vote. This from a guy who in 1996 pulled a straight R ticket.

[BushisTheMan]

Do whatever you feel is right. Your vote is your vote...and my vote is my vote.

I plan to vote on one issue...my family's safety against terrorism. George Bush has proven to me that he will go after the terrorists, he won't compromise to the UN, he puts America before internationalization, he supports the military, and he does what he says he will do.

For these reasons I'm voting for Bush the man, not the party.

I came to this Web site because of my proBush and antiClinton views...that's all.

[Republican Red]

Good post.

Welcome to Free Republic!

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Brokered Democrat Convention = Candidate Hillary.

Just my prediction.