[ninenot]

Really cute: the Chinese propaganda quote from "US-China Trade Council"

Oughta be put on a watch list by the FBI.

[ninenot]

Ping

[Lazamataz]

Excellent find. It is foolish to give China intellectual property and expect them to honor intellectual property rights.

At some point, however, China will surpass America in technology. We are not educating as many grad students in the sciences as they -- and India -- are.

[Iris7]

Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., may I point out, is elected reliably by his constituency in WISCONSIN.

Mr. Sensenbrenner carried most of the water in impeaching the vile Clinton.

Wisconsin people aren't as liberal as they look. There are a bunch who think they can get by on "playing nice" and singing "Kum Ba Ya", and they are a true pain in the rear. There are others.

Remember the 32nd National Guard Division at New Guinea, 1942. Remember Richard Bong, forty air victories against the Japanese, and Douglas MacArthur (born in Milwaukee!).

[toomuchcoffee]

I am shocked, shocked!

[ccmay]

"I have got companies that say we're doing this work overseas because those workers are more highly motivated, that they are more productive," Kapp said. "I was actually quite sobered and shocked to hear someone say this to me."

Damn right they are highly motivated. If your choice is between shoveling pig $#!t in Urumchi for $100 a year, and working in an air conditioned factory in Shenzhen for 27 cents an hour, it's no wonder they work like demons.

The same thing is happening at the high end of the labor market. The average computer science or engineering major in an Indian college is much smarter and harder working than his American counterpart, because the competition to get in to college is so much more fierce over there. You have to be in the top 5% intellectually to even have a prayer of being admitted to a university in India.

American workers have a self-image that is in some ways similar to the undeserved "self-esteem" being ladled out in American schools nowadays. Ask anybody who drove an American car made in the 70's or 80's. As a kid, I remember being stranded on the side of the road so frequently in our Detroit lemons that I have not bought an American car in my entire adult life.

Yes, we are the most productive in the world, but in large part that is because we are able to use advanced technology provided by our "exploitative" capitalist employers. In terms of native intelligence as well as work ethic, we lag behind much of the Third World (though not generally the developed world; they are even worse.) If they steal our technology and ignore our patents, they will overtake us.

-ccm

[Paul Ross]

"If you didn't have the name tags on the car, you couldn't tell them apart," charged Sensenbrenner, who visited a GM plant in Shanghai. "It's such a knockoff that you can pull a door off of the Chevy Spark and it fits on the QQ - and it fits so well that the seals on the door hold. But there's no air bag on the QQ."

Who has GM stock? A really nasty bunch of questions for the Board of Directors should be posed by the shareholders why the corporate assets, its design and intellectual property are being 'wasted' by management. By putting the company's technology and designs within the grasp of a COMMUNIST regime which is dedicated to piracy and espionage to attain industrial supremacy...and total disregard of 'foreignor's rights...let alone their own peoples...it calls for a complete 180-degree change of corporate policy...and firing the offending executives responsible.

[aomagrat]

It's such a knockoff that you can pull a door off of the Chevy Spark and it fits on the QQ - and it fits so well that the seals on the door hold.

The same could probably be said of our surveillance plane and the new chinese surveillance plane.

[A. Pole]

For two decades Congress has voted consistently to keep trade ties with China wide open, Sensenbrenner said, because lawmakers heed the lobbyists who work for big multinational corporations that profit from China's vast market and its cheap labor.
[...]
"It's not just very hard to compete with 27 cents an hour. You cannot - you just cannot - compete with 27 cents an hour," Sensenbrenner said, referring to common Chinese factory pay.

Free trade bump.

[baltodog]

I worked for a company that built machinery for factories around the world.

When it came time to ship the large machine over to the mainland, certain components were always shipped in excess....for instance, our drive systems -- typical cone-drive motors -- if the machinery called for 12 of these, we would ship 20, because by the time the shipment got to its' final destination, border guards and the gov't had pilfered the container.

As far as the software goes to operate it, the American employees were given dupe C.D.'s, while the American-employed Chinese translator was given the actual components. After all of the searches that happened, the Americans never had their original C.D.'s. They left the translator alone because they never knew he worked for us.

[Celtic Conservative]

this is the unit in question:

With a .8 (YES, a 8/10 liter!) engine ,manual trans and 0 to 60 time just slightly faster than a rickshaw, it is nothing for american car enthusiasts to get beat up about. The chicoms are ripping us off, however.

CC

[eno_]

Google up Chevrolet Spark and you will find that the "clone" isn't the result of stolen intellectual property. The car is produced by a joint venture in which GM holds a minority stake.

Of course the cars are identical: They are made on the same line. Duh. But don't expect a graduate of a third tier journalism school to figure out that even if the designs were stolen it is highly unlikely that a whole second factory, with precisley copied tooling, could be built as quickly as GM could build a factory. The story smelled from the first sentence.

[longtermmemmory]

They probably are using the identical plans. Probably used their inteligence services to obtain the plans. The chinese, like the french, use gov. spies for industrial espionage.

Apparel factories will make a item for a label one day and the next the factory will "knock off" a day or two's labor of the identical item without the knowledge of the label owner. It could be the same label, a factory label, or no label but the same garment.

There is no international court of copyright or patents. There is no international recognition. Even the Japanese play games. The US gives patents broadly. The Japanese give patents narrowly, thus an infringment in the US is not an infringment there.

Its a mess. Since intilectual property is a legislative creation, it varies from nation to nation based on national interest. There are no courts to enforce those rights. Additionally some nations courts do not hesitate to "hometown" verdict to favor their citizens regardless of the actual facts.

[Starwind]

Political analysts in Washington concur that the U.S. has relatively restricted leverage over China on free trade and job issues. Reasons vary from China's authority as the emergent political anchor of Asia to its newfound influence as an industrial powerhouse and its role in financing America's surging debt and deficits.

There is no freedom without economic freedom.

We can not protect ourselves legally from China's IP theft, for fear of them no longer funding our deficits. We can not protect ourselves economically without China loaning us money to run our government and put clothes on our backs.

It will not be long before we can not afford to protect ourselves physically, neither our borders nor our overseas interests.

Our freedom is dwindling, drained away by deficits, debt, and inflating the cost to live and work in America.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Sic the RIAA on the Butchers of Beijing.

They'll have this thing straightened out in no time.

[greenwolf]

But there's no air bag on the QQ."

That would make me buy the QQ without a second thought.

[Malsua]

One of the laser vendors I deal with called me and asked if I was having any problems with our C02 galvo lasers.

My answer was no. They have been running flawlessly for years.

He said "well, that's the damndest thing. I sold one laser to this company in China and every couple months, they ship it back complaining that it's not working. When I get it, it's not working and it's always something different. Once even the welds on the CO2 chamber appeared to have failed".

I responded "and did it appear to have been taken apart?"

"Yeah"

It was then that the light hit him. They chinese company was reverse engineering his laser.

[Iscool]

"I don't have the answer to it," Kapp said. "I don't think Congress has the answer to it. I don't think the White House has the answer to this. And probably neither does Sensenbrenner."

Now that seems odd because I have the answer to it...It's the big money lobby...The congress creeps (as well as the president and his cabinet) represent the big money cartel and not the American people...It's that simple...

When you guys finally admit that the problem is the WTO, and Nafta and Gatt, and the brand new South American Unfair Trade Agreement, you will get it...It's about impossible to see the forest thru the trees when you blindly follow the trees into the whirlpool...

It's not about intellectual property theft...Keep our property at home and put the CIA on anyone that sells our intellectual secrets...They need something constructive to do anyway...

When WE go shopping and can't find any American made products in the stores, you have to be pretty dense not to see where this is going...

[BJungNan]

"If you didn't have the name tags on the car, you couldn't tell them apart," charged Sensenbrenner, who visited a GM plant in Shanghai. "It's such a knockoff that you can pull a door off of the Chevy Spark and it fits on the QQ - and it fits so well that the seals on the door hold. But there's no air bag on the QQ."

Build quality will be better on the Chevy. I think the Chevy guy left that part out.

[BJungNan]

Do these two cars really look the same. I guess if the doors interchange, then it is a knock off. But there are subtle styling differences.

And with today's styling, doesn't a Toyota look like a Mercedes but with a better build quality.

[XBob]

1 - xlinton had the Whole US patent library, put on CD's and sent to China, to save them the 'trouble' of dealing with our patent office.

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

Thanks for posting.

"...according to Sensenbrenner, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, which oversees enforcement of patent rights, "The Chinese steal intellectual property right and left.""

"Political analysts in Washington concur that the U.S. has relatively restricted leverage over China on free trade and job issues. Reasons vary from China's authority as the emergent political anchor of Asia to its newfound influence as an industrial powerhouse and its role in financing America's surging debt and deficits."

"Sensenbrenner said: "They have not been representing the interest of the small- and medium-sized enterprises. Wisconsin is full of SME's and they are the ones being clobbered by trade with China." "

"I was over there to see how the Chinese could get away with stealing intellectual property without any consequences."

"American firms seldom file formal complaints with either the WTO, the global trade rules-making body, or the Beijing government
"They are afraid of retaliation by communist officialdom there,""

""If China's output becomes as productive as the rest of the world, there's going to be no manufacturing left in the rest of the world," Sensenbrenner said."

[XBob]

1- "Really cute: the Chinese propaganda quote from "US-China Trade Council" "

Uncle Prescott Bush - chairman

[GOP_1900AD]

Vast market = false. Cheap labor = true. Issue = true.