Thursday, January 15, 2004, 12:00 A.M. Pacific
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001836932_episcopal15.html
Breakaway Episcopalian plan revealed in paper
Posted on 01/15/2004 10:28:33 AM PST by jmcclain19
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:22:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Phoenix Suns are embroiled in a battle between a conservative religious group and some Valley churches over anti-gay-marriage literature that accompanied invitations to "Church Night" at a March basketball game.
The Suns dropped the Center for Arizona Policy as its "Church Night" sponsor for the March 19 game after several Valley clergy members complained about invitation packages sent by the Suns and the center.
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Thursday, January 15, 2004, 12:00 A.M. Pacific
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001836932_episcopal15.html
Breakaway Episcopalian plan revealed in paper
Yep.
I'm disturbed when anything outside, from sexual politics, to ethnic and religious influences try to have an undue role in sports. I wonder how the guy who always waves the "John 3:16" banner at NFL games would feel if I sat in the front pew of his church and waved a Seahawks pennant as his preacher is trying to give a sermon?
Huh?
You mean outside of sports such as cultivating a lesbian fan base for the WNBA team?
Have you seen an NFL game on TV? Sometimes you see it on the kickoff, or a punt, but usually, there's some guy in the end zone seats who's holding up some Bible verse banner, and waving it wildly while a kicker is either trying for a field goal, or a point-after-touchdown. It happens in every NFL stadium. No football-oriented twist to the religious message, just an attempt to make heavenly brownie points with an attempt to get the message out on TV.
Thanks for the clarification. There was a WNBA team in the city I live near, and I had thought to take my kids to a few games because the ticket prices were less and I thought to support a new league would be fine...but then I saw a few stories on the news and noticed that a large contingent of the WNBA fans were rather flamboyantly displaying homosexual behavior at the games. I'm not going to spend my money to expose my children to someone else's deviant behavior.
So, bottom line, the WNBA gained 2 lesbians and lost a parent and 2 children as ticket sales. They will have to work 150% harder to develop that lesbian base to make up for my family and who knows how many others. I suspect there are more parents with 2 children than there are basketball going lesbians in the Seattle area.
No compromise to the gay agenda.
Every pastor should welcome the gay community to their churches. Christ's message of salvation is for all since all are sinners and fall short of the glory of G-d.
That said, they should be welcome to seek Jesus, not welcome to try to change the clear intention of G-d that sex is intended to be practiced within a marriage between a man and a woman.
Shalom.
Shalom.
Actually, you'd want to sit behind the Pastor so that those listening (and not napping) would see your banner.
I myself have seen a Pastor give a sermon with a cheese hat on his head. I don't care much for football so I just thought it was silly.
Shalom.
FYI, Most Christians don't believe (on paper) in "heavenly brownie points." I have heard it said that simply presenting the scripture is effective because of a particular OT verse. I myself think it is stretching that verse a tad to think that holding up a reference to a scriptural verse is at all effective. Then again, one never knows what will finally break through the veil.
If the owners of the stadium or if either team asked him to drop the sign or leave, he should do so willingly, IMHO.
Shalom.
My mistake, I see people waving their religion wildly in every possible direction so much, scattergunning their devotion to their faith, I just assume that they think their deity is going to give them gold stars for it. I just can't imagine any other reason why one would go to to a football game and wave a bedsheet with the same verse reference over and over and over again, at an audience that clearly views for sports entertainment rather than moral edification.
If the owners of the stadium or if either team asked him to drop the sign or leave, he should do so willingly, IMHO.
Clearly, they have not asked. I've seen fans ejected from games for taunting fans of the other team. Also, I didn't question the right of anyone to do this, but I just wondered how those folks would feel if I dragged my football fan status into the front row of their church service. No doubt, they'd have a justification of how the two things are different.
"No Longer Silent," also known as "THWAP": ---"To Hell With the Apostle Paul."
Behold, the Power of Cheese?
Was the hymn, "What a Friend We Have in Cheeses"?
Sorry, good buddy, I couldn't resist!
His strategy may be flawed, but his name is "Rockin' Roland" and he's trying to get people to read Jesus' words in the Gospel of John chapter 3 and verse 16:
"God so loved the world that he gave is one and only Son, so that whoever puts his trust in Him, shall not perish but have life everlasting."
.....So he's a long-term thinker trying, in his perhaps inarticulate way, to get people to plan for their post-retirement years.
I'm sure if he does the rainbow-hair thing, he'll be fine with the Suns.
I thought the saying was, "With God, all things are possible" not, "...all things are permissable." Don't get me wrong, I have various autographed football cards that the player has taken the time to notate his favorite Bible verse, and when I look them up, they relate to strength coming from the divine, and not from one's own abilities, or something like that. I appreciate the time the player has taken to give a message to me, especially if I got the autograph in person, whether I accept the full message being conveyed, or not. But John 3:16, as you've stated it, does not seem to have any particular sports connected meaning to it.
And they wonder why the WNBA can't gain acceptance from family-oriented viewers. Well, that's what happens when you cater to 2% of the population and tell all the normal people that they just don't matter.
Suppose you were diagnosed with terminal cancer. Suppose you were given 3 months to live. Suppose some crack offered you an herbal remedy that he said would completely cure you. Suppose you tried the pill figuring you had nothing to lose. Suppose you were completely cancer free within 3 months. You ask the guy, "Why don't more people know about this?" He answers, "I try to tell them, but they won't listen to me. What do you want me to do, go to football games and hold up a sign in the end zone?"
Jesus is life to those who are dying. You call this my religious belief, but I call it a fact. What kind of selfish bastard would I be to not try to tell anyone who would listen.
I don't wave signs at football games. Each to his own. If it helps one dying person finds life, then more power to those who do.
Shalom.
I have heard that Kraft intends to move their cheese manufacturing overseas to Israel.
They intend to be known as "Cheeses of Nazareth."
Shalom.
By Darren Morrison
I have heard it said by homosexuals that GOD made them that way, or that they were born gay. Well I am going to give the biblical truth here to this Statement. I will start of by being totally blunt “GOD did not make anyone homosexual and nobody was ever born that way. I myself am a recovering Alcoholic, and there are those who would say that many Alcoholic were born that way. The truth is Homosexuals are not born that way and I was not born into alcoholism, they are both as a result of sin. GOD made us, this is true, but the condition of our minds is a result of our choices and experiences. Homosexuality as well as many other sinful behaviors is because of the condition of our mind.
In Saint Paul’s day Rome was like many college campuses and metropolitan areas. Homosexuality, Drunkenness, Gluttony, Adultery and many other sins go on as if it were good and acceptable. In these places, pleasures of sin are worshiped not much different than Rome in Paul’s day. So I will explore Paul’s letter to the church that was in Rome. This essay will address Homosexuality and why God didn’t make them that way and how they came to the horrible condition of being Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual or transgender. There is a word I like to use to group them all and that is sodomite. We are all born into a falling world and we are all born with a sin nature. Because Adam and Eve in the garden chose to disobey GOD’s word and eat of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, sin entered the world. It is written in the word of GOD “ROMANS 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” We are all sinners this is true, but we are not all servants of sin. Homosexuals are servants of a sin or sins “ROMANS 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness”. That is why many homosexuals say they can’t quit being gay and this is true when they say that oftentimes because they are in bondage to their sin and only Christ can help them if they truly repent. We can be made free of any sinful condition. “ROMANS 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” Yes, Homosexuality is curable and GOD’s word does address it in the book of Romans.
Please don’t think this is hate, my intentions are not at all hateful. I do not hate sodomites. I’m told by God to love my neighbour “ROMANS 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.” I do not write this to enrage the sodomite community but in order to warn them of their condition and that there is hope for them. I write this out of love, for this is not “hate speech” but “love speech”.
A baby has no sexual preference at all. A baby is innocent even though that baby is born into a fallen world he or she cannot comprehend sin. A person has to be mature enough to understand eternal things as well as have a real grasp on right and wrong. Sexual attractions are developed later as the child matures. Children as young as nine have had babies so I do not know for sure when sexual attractions develop, but I know it is different for all kids, but it is not at birth. Just as young men often find themselves more attracted to blondes or brunets, some guys are attached to tall some short, some are attracted to dark skin some light and this attraction was not from birth but from conditioning. Many women go into eating disorders as a result of trying to get men to be attracted to them because of Hollywood obsession with unhealthy underweight girls in films, television and advertising. Men are attracted to these underweight gals by conditions there were not attached to them at birth.
So we see that no one is ever born gay and that according to GOD’s word that GOD never made anyone homosexual. But when some in the sodomite lifestyle say thay didn’t choose to be gay that could be possible, but the choices they made led them to that. A person doesn’t just wake up one day and find they are Homosexual; it is a process that leads to their condition. This process begins with an unthankful heart “ROMANS 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened”. This is how it starts.
Sodomites are often part of that avant-garde, pseudo-intellectual crowd. Gay groups will point toward how many homosexuals are college graduates in order to legitimize their sinful condition “ROMANS 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”.
The sodomites will take the things of GOD and pervert them. “ROMANS 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things”. This is why there are so many different versions of the bible out there; many of the modern versions are made gay-friendly, leaving out homosexual sin and adding things like male temple prostitute instead of the word sodomite. Homosexuals are also big into the occult and new age. They have taken over denominations that were sinking. As they sink deeper into their sin, they sink deeper into perversion. “ROMANS 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves”. GOD gave them up to there own sick lust.
The sodomites are filling the pulpits of mainline denominations so Satan can use them to steer people away from the truth. They teach that GOD is love but true repentance is a foreign concept. ROMANS 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen”. Why do you think homosexuals are trying as hard as they can to destroy fundamentalist Baptist churches? They don’t like the truth and they do not want you to hear it either.
They tell their lie enough to where the sodomites believe it and live by the lie. “ROMANS 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet”. Then Homosexuals live as queers as if it were natural. They believe their own lies to the point they will tell you they were always gay and born that way. They are convinced they were made that way, just as some were made with dark skin. But the African Americans were created dark; sodomites were not created homosexual.
God gave them over to be unfit, unapproved basically perversions. “ROMANS 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient”. You see this is why homosexuals are so evil and dangerous and why I would not let them anywhere near my kids. A reprobate is a thoroughly bad person according to Merriam Webster. Where it says that they did not retain god in their knowledge, this is why homosexuals will even deny the existence of god. Not that all do but agnostics are prevalent in the gay crowd. The very word agnostic means to be with out knowledge of GOD.
Sodomites will exhibit a multitude of sinful behaviors. That is why most homosexuals meet in bars and porn houses. Homosexuality often is the biggest sin but drug use and alcoholism plague sodomites at a very high rate. Ever wonder why prisons are swarming with sodomites? “ROMANS 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,” to put it simple sodomites are filled with unrighteousness. Homosexuals are twice as likely to have a criminal background, than heterosexuals. Homosexuals are twice as likely to do drugs. Homosexual activity is rampant in prisons. Not to say that all queers are criminal and that all heterosexuals are not bur that homosexuals are more apt to be because of their evil heart.
Homosexuals do not understand their sinful condition as they delve deeper into this awful sin, they break covenants, they will selfishly abandon their wives and family to chase after there sinful lust. This is what the Episcopal bishop did. He left his family alone and broke a holy covenant he made with GOD. “ROMANS 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:” the sodomites are unmerciful which is scary, for I believe that as the tolerance toward the queers grow persecution of fundamentalist Christians will began to appear and the sodomite crowd has already lead the charge. In fact several years ago a fundamental Baptist church in Kansas was riddled with bullets by a group of Homosexuals.
Homosexuals recruit young people into their sin. They will flat out deny this but working on a college campus, I see it all the time. Not only do they recruit but they infiltrate as well. They have infiltrated almost every church denomination and most political movements and parties, the reason to more legitimize their condition and to get more people on their side and against the true followers of GOD. “ROMANS 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them”. Homosexuals are working hard to bring more people over to their side in this culture war we are in.
Nobody is born Homosexual. In larger cities a child is many times more apt to adopt a homosexual life-style than in a rural area. This is because of pro-gay hiring polices and Homosexuality is promoted in schools where many homosexuals teachers can influence your kids. Gays want to get a hold of our kids and pervert their minds. That is why they have gay pride parades. Parades are put on for kids. Walt Whitman, a favorite gay poet among liberals, was an open child molester. In fact he was run out of a town for molesting a boy he taught in his class. Yet Homosexuals lift him up as an icon, I guess they will do the same for Michael Jackson some day too.
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