Parties Where an ID Is the Least of What You Show

New York Slimes ^ | 1.11.2004 | Warren St. John

[NYC GOP Chick]

Parties Where an ID Is the Least of What You Show

By WARREN ST. JOHN

nna, a 22-year-old graduate student in Manhattan, said she remembers clearly how she was introduced to one of New York's sauciest underground social scenes. It was via an instant message from a stranger who had seen her personals ad online at Nerve.com. A local promoter of erotic events called One Leg Up was organizing a party in a TriBeCa loft on the theme of the film "Moulin Rouge," her suitor wrote, and he wanted to know if Anna would be interested in going "with me and my hot tattooed girlfriend." Anna mulled her reply, then fired off an e-mail message.

"I was like, `Yeah, dude, I'll check that out,' " she recalled.

To gain entry, Anna first had to send an erotic essay and a photo of herself to One Leg Up's founder, a husky-voiced, 33-year-old proselytizer for sexual experimentation who goes by the name Palagia. Anna made the cut, was given the party's location and a pass phrase — "untie my corset" — and on a chilly night last year donned fishnet stockings and high heels and headed out to her first sex party.

The gathering was awkward at first, she said, but at 12:30 a.m., a gong rang, signifying that guests should strip to their underwear, and things soon began to heat up. Anna said she spent most of the evening entwined with a couple she had just met — not the one that invited her — and besides the minor annoyance of having to locate all her clothes at the end of the night, she said the experience lived up to her expectations. She has since been to 15 similar parties in Manhattan, and though just a year above the legal drinking age, counts herself a full-fledged member of what insiders refer to simply as "the lifestyle."

Her take on the scene is uncomplicated: "I think sex is cool and people should have a lot of it," she said.

The idea of swinging may evoke an image of middle-aged, ennui-riddled suburban couples of the 1970's — think of key parties and the movie "Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice." But among a certain adventurous younger crowd in Manhattan these days, swinging — or at least a high-velocity form of sexual exploration that resembles swinging, but for the dearth of actual spouses (many participants are shy of marrying age) — is thriving with a twist. Unlike the dismal, failed swinging attempt in "Carnal Knowledge," in which two husbands make a surreptitious deal to seduce each other's wives, the younger scene is driven largely by women — many of them erotic-party promoters who use the Internet as both a marketing tool and a screening aid, to keep their crowds enticingly attractive and to keep paying customers coming back.

Mindful of the cobwebbed connotations of swinging, most of these women refer to their events as "erotic networking." They have names like Flirt NYC, Skin NYC and Cake, and the organizers frame the gatherings as political acts rooted in a postfeminist interest in women's sexual empowerment.

"It's not just, `I'm going to go to this party with my boyfriend to have sex in front of other people,' " said Melinda Gallagher, 30, a former graduate student in human sexuality at New York University and a founder of Cake. "The philosophy is that women need their own space to explore sexuality. The women in the room direct whatever happens."

To the untrained eye, at least, it can be hard to distinguish political soirees from basic sexual ones. Just before the holidays, at Carnaval bar on East Houston Street, One Leg Up sponsored a mixer for couples interested in learning more about the scene. (Palagia, the group's founder, calls such events "takeouts.")

Those who knew the pass phrase — "I'm sexy" — were allowed into the bar by two hulking doormen, and once inside found that perhaps a quarter of the women — most in their 20's and early 30's — were topless, save for dabs of body paint on their nipples, to comply with the city's public nudity laws. Downstairs in the midst of a crowd of around 200, half a dozen women were packed tightly together in a sort of group rub, undulating in time with the techno soundtrack. In a corner, a stunning young woman with blond hair preppily styled like Gwyneth Paltrow's was making out with one man, while another sat with his arm tucked into the waistline of her skirt. He wore the nonchalant expression of someone playing a video game for the thousandth time.

A balding 36-year-old named Ron, who said he works in technology in Manhattan, stood against a wall with his wife, surveying the scene. He said they were looking for another woman to take home. "You just go with the flow," he said. "Most of the time you have a drink and look at the nice people and then go home." A naughty smile flickered across his face. "Sometimes you meet someone and they go home with you."

Some older swingers find it surprising that young women seem so comfortable experimenting with multiple partners. Angelo Valez, a veteran of the New York swinging scene for the better part of a decade and the organizer of a Latin-theme swinging group called Salsa Swingers, said: "I've been getting more younger couples where the girl is 18 or 19 and the guy is 21 or 22, and I've had to turn people away for that reason. It's like, wow, I'm surprised that people that age would be into it."

In an era when young people are blogging about their most intimate secrets and videos of celebrities having sex circulate with some frequency, the threshold for exhibitionism seems to have been lowered, and the line between public and private further blurred. Anna, the 22-year-old graduate student, for example, said she had no anxiety about being filmed having sex at a One Leg Up party for HBO's reality show "Real Sex." Her main concern was lighting.

"I think I look better on `Real Sex' than Paris Hilton looks in that video, because I'm not green and zombie-ish," she said.

At her parties, Palagia makes introductions and acts as a kind of etiquette cop. No leering is allowed, she said, and men must ask permission before engaging with women. She said the goal of her parties was "to help the masses feel comfortable with their sexuality."

While New York has never lacked outlets of sexual exploration, the current crop of erotic parties organized by women began when Cake put on an evening at a Lower East Side bar called Fun in July 2000. The group started with 100 people on its mailing list and now has 30,000, while attendance at its parties, held at nightclubs, averages 800 to 1,000, Ms. Gallagher said.

In 2002, Palagia, who had been holding her own private events since 1999, started a Web site and gave her first party at a public gathering place; soon, Flirt NYC and Skin were formed. The four groups typically hold one or two events a month, and each group's parties have their own identity. Flirt, for example, is oriented toward bisexuals and straight women curious about bisexuality, while One Leg Up is mostly for heterosexuals. Only One Leg Up organizes true orgies; the other groups' parties serve as sexually charged meeting places for those interested in further exploration off premises. Spontaneous lap dances and lots of bare skin are common to all.

Perhaps not surprisingly, not all men who attend the events find the new paradigm particularly enticing, or even necessarily new. Rob Press, 36, a computer consultant who has attended several One Leg Up parties, said that in his experience, "women are the gatekeepers anyway" in sexual matters.

"If you're going to keep making them more empowered, then I become a commodity," he said. "It just makes it fashionable to hide behind political jargon, unless they're attracting guys with an emasculation fantasy."

At one very quantifiable level, the events are indeed contributing to the empowerment of at least a few women: those organizing them. Palagia, for example, charges $55 a couple in advance for her "takeouts" and $175 a couple for her private events. She does have overhead costs — she hires doormen, for example, and entertainers. (To enhance the glam-rock theme of the party at Carnaval, she hired two dwarfs to dress as Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons of the band Kiss.) But she said her profit margins are large enough to provide her a decent living.

Cake, which began as simply a series of parties, has morphed into an entertainment company; in addition to a book deal with Simon & Schuster for a "Cake Guide to Sexual Empowerment," it recently completed a pilot for Showtime for a possible series on sexual mores in New York. (In keeping with its equal opportunity pledge, television hasn't ignored male party organizers; VH1 recently shot part of a documentary at a swingers' hangout in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, run by a 36-year-old erotic-party host named Grego.)

Ms. Gallagher of Cake said the media deals were part of the sexual revolution she wants to encourage. "You can't be subversive for your whole entire existence and make the huge social impact we want to make," she said. "You have to be in it to win it."

Some worry that for all the talk of empowerment, certain conventional dangers of such a lifestyle are being overlooked, like the threat of sexually transmitted diseases. (Condoms are required at One Leg Up's intimate events.) Dr. Megan Fleming, a clinical psychologist and sex therapist at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York, said that there could be potential psychological perils as well. "What can be a very hot fantasy doesn't necessarily translate into `I'm going to enjoy this in real life,' " she said. "In a fantasy, you're in control of everything that happens. Reality is not like that."

She also cited long-term ramifications. "When sex becomes a sport, it can take away from the potential to enjoy it in a more intimate relationship," she said. "They're so overstimulated in this environment that they may not understand sexual intimacy in a more monogamous relationship."

Anna said her solution to that problem was to find a boyfriend who was just as enthusiastic about the scene as she was. Despite having had over 100 sexual partners, Anna said, she is disease free and has no plans to stop going to the parties anytime soon.

She confessed, though, to one lingering fear. "I just hope I don't turn 30 and suddenly decide I want to run for office," she said.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Anna said her solution to that problem was to find a boyfriend who was just as enthusiastic about the scene as she was. Despite having had over 100 sexual partners, Anna said, she is disease free and has no plans to stop going to the parties anytime soon.

She confessed, though, to one lingering fear. "I just hope I don't turn 30 and suddenly decide I want to run for office," she said.

Well, DUH! That's why we have such an active 'rat party here in NYC!

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[cyborg]

You know when I'm in African AIDS threads I see a lot of cries of how 'those people are savages' type stuff. I wonder if they read stories like these.

[IronJack]

Does this remind anyone else of the orgies of Rome? You know, the ones they had right before the Empire collapsed?

[NYC GOP Chick]

Nah. That would require introspection and a sense of self-awareness.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Does this remind anyone else of the orgies of Rome? You know, the ones they had right before the Empire collapsed?

Actually, the Western Empire generally enjoyed a revival of morality and religious fervor in the century or so before its final collapse.

[endthematrix]

OK. I'm 30 and had my fair share of fun in my life. However, this story is unnerving. We can only speculated to the consequences of this behavior. Left out of the story is the drug use. I'm sure condoms are in available but don't these people know what STD stands for?

[NYC GOP Chick]

Stop That, Dummy?

[IronJack]

I dunno ... As late as Valerian (around 250 AD), the Empire was at war with the Church. It wasn't until Diocletian that the Imperial Crisis was resolved and peace established.

Not that accord with the early Church is necessarily an indicator of morality, but there is little to recommend Rome as an exemplar of carnal constraint, at ANY point in its history.

[IronJack]

Above post should have been addressed to you.

[cyborg]

Absolutely yes...my mother walked into my bedroom last night looking quite pale. Apparently a nurse was at a party and regaled my mom with the tale of two teenage boys who were sexually pleasing themselves with mice. She wanted to know if that was even possible. I just laughed and told her, stay off the Internet.

[Hildy]

We've come a long way, baby. This is just sad, IMO.

[Frank_2001]

More like slutty than "saucy". Wonder if that gal thinks HIV, herpes, gonorrhea and syphilis are "cool" as well? We don't call that fishwrapper the "Slimes" for nothing, that's for sure!

[MHGinTN]

With ther debauchery finally degrading so many young women, and abortion on demand touted as nothing more than having a tooth filled, our nation is finding its final degradation. If this nation continues much longer, God will owe an apology to the degenerates of Sodom and Gomorrah. I have yet to have a person explain to me how degrading women to the level of the male debauchery level (I can fool around but my girlfriend/wife better not) has raised the value or integrity level of women in this society. I always thought swimming in sewer sludge meant being a sewer rat ...

[Oschisms]

Those who knew the pass phrase — "I'm sexy" — were allowed into the bar...

I'm sexy

Sound of Crickets

[NYC GOP Chick]

Oh, stop that! ;)

Anyway, I'm wondering what took you so long to show up on this thread! LOL! ;D

[spodefly]

They have names like Flirt NYC, Skin NYC and Cake, and the organizers frame the gatherings as political acts rooted in a postfeminist interest in women's sexual empowerment.

You know you are having some good sex when you can refer to it as a "political act".

[MediaMole]

the younger scene is driven largely by women — many of them erotic-party promoters who use the Internet as both a marketing tool and a screening aid, to keep their crowds enticingly attractive and to keep paying customers coming back.

Translation: Madams who use the internet to connect unpaid hookers with prospective customers.

[Oschisms]

You know you are having some good sex when you can refer to it as a "political act".

If you're gonna convert liberal women, you may have to break out every weapon in your arsenal.

[Oschisms]

My New Years resolution was to stop making tasteless dirty jokes. On Jan. 2, I added the caveat, "in mixed company." By Jan. 3, that was broken, too.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Good! ;)

[Professional Engineer]

ROFLOL

[TXnMA]

"Despite having had over 100 sexual partners, Anna..."

My generation had a word for girls like that...

See, I knew you could spell "S-L-U-T"!

[Feiny]

untie my corset

[Oschisms]

I refuse to fumble around with your corset strings like some pimple-faced youth. I will use one of these:

[NYC GOP Chick]

Would you two get a room already?! ;D

[July 4th]

Lovely. Just lovely.

[Will_Zurmacht]

What a sad bunch we have here....
I used to think this sort of behaviour was off or unusual...but it has long ago been "normalized".

Case in point, around new years, some of the gals in my office were talking obliquely about this sort of thing, new years dates, etc. and me being me, I couldn't help eavesdropping.

I'm a 30 yr old guy and I pulled a few wild stunts in college, but compared to the young women today, I was a dang monk.

Of the 3 gals talking about partners, all were in what I consider high double digits. Now these are young, attractive gals under 25. They are moderately bright. They are all single.
But they are all a little odd, at least in my prudish opinion.
The one gal , about 23, and just out of college, was talking in this conversation and was slightly embarrassed by the conversation. She admitted to her gal pals she had slept with "only slightly over a double dozen" ( I'm assuming more than 24) men.
The reason she was embarrased......her "number" was by far the lowest of the bunch. She was embarrased because she had ONLY slept with around 24 different men between highschool and college.

Hard to believe no charming, classy young man has given her a ring, and I pity the poor fool who does.....

I have become very cynical about dating lately, Many of the cute, young sweet things I meet are cute and sweet now only because they have recently moved...
In their old city they were the town whore,dope addict, or mental patient....

I can usually figure out which one by the second date, though it took me some years to hone this skill....hehe

[cryptical]

This story makes me keenly aware that I'm old enough to know better, and too old to do anything about it.

Where were all these gals when I was their age? Oh yeah, in diapers. :/

[stylin19a]

Thank heavens no one in the bar was smoking, or there would have been a police raid for sure to shut the bar down.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Good one! :D

[spodefly]

You know you are having some good sex when you can refer to it as a "political act".

If you're gonna convert liberal women, you may have to break out every weapon in your arsenal.

I'll not be converting any liberal women. However impressive some of my "weapons" may be, my sexual arsenal lacks anything that I would refer to as a "political act".

[Timesink]

Stories like this are why I find it very hard to feel sympathy for any victims of any STDs unless I have some reason to believe they have NOT lived their lives like the people in this article. It's like skydiving; do it enough times and eventually the odds are going to catch up with you.

[SedVictaCatoni]

I dunno ... As late as Valerian (around 250 AD), the Empire was at war with the Church. It wasn't until Diocletian that the Imperial Crisis was resolved and peace established.

Not that accord with the early Church is necessarily an indicator of morality, but there is little to recommend Rome as an exemplar of carnal constraint, at ANY point in its history.

1. I referred to "... the century or so before [the Western Empire's] final collapse". Given that the Western Empire was finally extinguished in 476, a century earlier would be 376, a time when Christianity was well and firmly established in the Roman world.

2. I referred to "morality and religious fervor", not Christianity specifically. Cults such as the Eleusinian Mysteries and other eastern religions such as Mithraism were also extremely widespread in this period.

3. It's excessive to say that Rome never evinced "carnal constraint" at "ANY" point in its history. Traditional Roman religion was still strong as late as 100 BC, or over six centuries into the city's history, and morals which seem familiar to ours had begun to take hold with the spread of Christianity, as early as the third century AD.

[ppaul]

Can you say Chlamydia, cervical cancer, sterility, hysterectomy?
That's what these "saucy" and "upscale" sluts are in for - and soon.

[hellinahandcart]

"It's not just, `I'm going to go to this party with my boyfriend to have sex in front of other people,' "

Um, yes it is.

"The philosophy is that women need their own space to explore sexuality."

Most of us call it a bedroom.

And while I'm quibbling over terms, this girl is a wee bit past the "exploration" stage, isn't she?

[hellinahandcart]

You know when I'm in African AIDS threads I see a lot of cries of how 'those people are savages' type stuff.

Hang on a sec.

[hellinahandcart]

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"These people are WORSE than savages, they're degenerates hell-bent on societal devolution. Savages can be educated, but these people are the crowning glory of their "education". They are cynical, jaded, and smug, and so self-absorbed that they truly believe what they're doing is 'revolutionary'.

"Savages, at least, have to occasionally engage in productive work, lest they die. The same cannot be said of this crowd. I hope these sluts all end up sterile, because otherwise their children will be condemned to lives of terrible confusion and uncertainty."

How's that?

[Recovering_Democrat]

Soon we'll be asked to pay for these people's social and psychological diseases brought on by such behaviour.

[hellinahandcart]

She said the goal of her parties was "to help the masses feel comfortable with their sexuality."

Well, whaddya know. It IS political after all.

They used to call it "Free Love", back in the day...

[csvset]

"I'm Sexy"

[Prodigal Son]

However impressive some of my "weapons" may be, my sexual arsenal lacks anything that I would refer to as a "political act".

Hmmm. I guess you know you're with a liberal woman if her idea of talking dirty during sex is "Cut my taxes you brute!"

[IronJack]

Constantine's reign cemented Christianity as Rome's official state religion, displacing the paganism of earlier times. But even then, it was not assured ascendancy. Several subsequent attempts were made to return to paganism, with a resultant persecution of Christian practicioners.

But you're right. Morality isn't solely defined by Christianity. Let's just say that at its nadir, Rome was capable of the depravities described in this article, and that that level of amorality, accompanied by the subsequent decline in social and military unity, contributed substantially to the fall of the Empire. By the time Constantine (and even Diocletian) managed to recover some sense of integrity, there was little left of Glorious Rome.

[IronJack]

Agreed. This isn't a celebration of sex. It's carnal rut. Absent moral and physical limits, this is where all mankind would be. The reason they are free to engage in this bacchanal is that they have no useful work to do, and no higher aspiration than satiation of their most base desires.

Not humanity's finest hour.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Several subsequent attempts were made to return to paganism, with a resultant persecution of Christian practicioners.

After Constantine, only one emperor, Julian the Apostate (360-363), was not a Christian. Julian made some vague rumblings about disfavoring Christians, but these were perfunctory, and Julian's reign was rather short in any case. These don't really amount to "attempts" to return to paganism.

By the time Constantine (and even Diocletian) managed to recover some sense of integrity, there was little left of Glorious Rome.

Again, you are too broad. Diocletian's reforms crippled the Roman economy, which had already been weakened by a century of almost continual civil war. But Constantine's reign came at the beginning of the fourth century, and at this point in time Rome was still incomparably mighty and in possession of much of her past glory.

Some historians, most notably Gibbon, have argued that Christianity actually hastened or even caused the fall of the Roman Empire, through a variety of factors, including the economic drain of monasticism, eschatological detachment from secular affairs, and cultural rifts caused by theological strife. It is therefore too simple merely to claim that bad morals and a lack of integrity helped the Empire to fall; paradoxically, it appears that the Roman Empire was strongest during its periods of moral decay.

[cyborg]

good lord just what i needed to see in the morning

[IronJack]

I'm afraid I've wandered somewhat from the original intent of this thread, but I would point out that the Rome of Constantine and beyond, while nominally integral within itself, comprised only half of the former Empire. The Western Empire began to dissolve in the middle of the 3rd century AD when Rome abandoned Dacia to the Goths.

By the time Constantine began his reign, the Roman military could no longer sustain itself and was forced to hire mercenaries to defend its borders. This contributed to a further weakening of an economy crippled by civil war, and forced the Emperor to institute drastic economic reforms that only delayed the inevitable end. With the confederation of many of the barbarian tribes, and given its dwindling resources, Western Rome could no longer protect its borders. The end was assured by the start of the Fourth Century, although the Empire struggled on after that, even managing some semblance of its former glory whenever it could stop bickering long enough to raise an effective army.

While it is simplistic to attribute the fall of Rome to moral decay, it is simply revisionist to pretend that it didn't play a role. Constantine's reign marked the last flare of the Roman candle before the flame was extinguished permanently.

[NYCVirago]

"The philosophy is that women need their own space to explore sexuality."

Most of us call it a bedroom.

Do you remember that now-quaint phrase people used to use to defend gay people -- what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is nobody's business? It's outdated now, because it only mentions two partners, it contains the word "adults" in it, and it doesn't include the new "right" to have sex in public!

[BobS]

Are you bored with the democrats? Don't blame you! Put me on your ping list if you have one. I like your little topics.

BTW, I like women 40+ because that's when the become jump-up-and-down horny:)