The selling out of America

Myself ^ | 01/08/04 | AbsoluteJustice

[bert]

.....This is the collective end to America as we know it.....

Your perception does not adequately reflect reality. You are perceiving an America that is already gone. It can not be restored to the previous condition.

We can argue about what might have been done but that would be wasted effort. A better course is to discuss what must be done.

Recall if you will the Great Wall of China. It was built at great cost to prevent an invasion of inferior peoples similar tho that faced by America today. The Great Wall was a failure and did not accomplish the intended purpose.

The present course outlined by the President seems to recognize that the force of history and population pressure operating from our southern borders is inexorable and can't be stopped. It can however be managed.

By the President's actions, the discussion is now resolved to those things that are possible. How will America manage the horde of people invading from the South? The President has outlined a course including using and enforcing many laws already on the books but either not used or underused.

The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed.

The wasted words and passion arguing about what might have been are not part of the process.

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[cynicom]

To my mind there was no intent or desire for any legislation, the clue being that he laid it on congress to take care of. Bush knows full well there will be no laws passed this year. It was cheap political pandering and I am disappointed that he choose to take this course. Meanwhile Bush leaves the gates wide open and the flood continues.

[dawn53]

Recall if you will the Great Wall of China. It was built at great cost to prevent an invasion of inferior peoples similar tho that faced by America today

Inferior people???

So Americans are superior to other nationalities?

But don't most Americans trace their ancestry to a mix of "inferior" people?

Want to explain your definition of inferior???

[Lady Eileen]

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[Lady Eileen]

I think bert means inferior culture.

[AAABEST]

population pressure operating from our southern borders is inexorable and can't be stopped.

I see by your statement that you should never climb into a paper bag, you won't find ever your way out.

It would be very easy to close our borders, even easier to drastically reduce the exodus.

Either you're blind to simple logic or you're one of those who can never ever say "Mr. President THIS IS WRONG". You people are EXACTLY like the suck-job clintonoids that fell prostrate before him at all costs.

[OXENinFLA]

Yeah, I do have problems & questions about what Pres. Bush is proposing in this speech.

From Speech:

All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job, or, if not living in the United States, a job offer. The legal status granted by this program will last three years and will be renewable -- but it will have an end.

"a job offer"

No! they should have a specific job set up and if they lose or want to change jobs they should be required to start over.

This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hard-working people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages, and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers.

Now hold on, if they change jobs I think they should have to re-apply and start all over.

"Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents we all take for granted. "

What Docs?

[dawn53]

Again, what's the definition of an inferior culture???

We've got Hollywood and abortion, legalization of gay marriage as a looming issue.

Want to define an "inferior culture"?

[G.Mason]

" ....... The wasted words and passion arguing about what might have been are not part of the process."

Well stated.

It will, however, not sit well with those that wish to build another "Great Wall".

Against good advise, some will sit at the ocean side, trying to stop the "tide" with their hands.

[AbsoluteJustice]

Read my entire thread and you will see my resolution to this issue. We can stop the Horde by backing up Border Patrol with the National Guard. Will it prevent ALL Illegal immigration? No. But it will severly hamper it.

"The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed."

Will it? how? How can you set up a program that is failed from the start and state it is managed? Our borders are not even managed. I think you are a bit naieve.

[texastoo]

I didn't hear the president's speech. Did he mention who will pay the cost of health care for the illegals?

[WV Mountain Mama]

W-2, although I am sure they will not be paying taxes somehow.

[kittymyrib]

This reminds me of the president's cute ploy of signing the Campaign Finance Reform Act, since "everyone knew" the Supreme Court would strike it down...everyone but Sandra Day O'Connor, that is. And now CFR, which absolutely revokes the First Amendment's freedom of political speech guarantee, is the law of the land. We will deeply regret some of these political stunts and their unintended consequences.

[AbsoluteJustice]

"W-2, although I am sure they will not be paying taxes somehow."

You are correct they will NOT be paying taxes. they will obtain jobs that are in the lower income bracket because they are uneducated and unskilled workers. Lower income tax bracket pays NO Federal income taxes. Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)

[cynicom]

Nothing worse that a blind partisan party supporter, dem or pub. The Titanic is getting ready to sail.

[G.Mason]

From Pat Buchanan's book "The Death of the West"

"There are 30 million foreign born in the U.S. and between 9 and 11 million illegal aliens – as many illegals as there are people in Massachusett, Rhode Island and Connecticut combined."


"America is losing the cultural war. Militant paganism is crowding the old faiths. Separatism is triumphing over integration. The melting pot has become a salad bowl. And the impact upon American society, politics and culture will be devastating."


How many fences and how high?

As "Bert" said ....... " The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed. "

[chris1]

W should be ashamed of himself. I can not look at him in the same light after this. Sorry, but this is a sellout of the biggest proportions. How are we going to be safer? All that is going to happen is that the employers will put the existing people on the rolls, and importing even more lower wage illegals to undercut the american standards. What a joke W is over this.

[G.Mason]

"Lower income tax bracket pays NO Federal income taxes. Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)"

That may be true, however they pay Social Security, State, county and federal sales taxes.

I, a citizen, born here, pay no federal income taxes.

Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)