Sponsor of gun bill won't pull trigger yet

The Star Ledger ^ | Jan 2, 2004 | FRED J. AUN

[neverdem]

A proposed new law that could have banned the sale or purchase of many muzzleloading rifles and the possession of many shotguns is being pulled from the state Legislature calendar and will not be introduced, said its sponsor.

Assemblywoman Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) said concerns expressed by hunters is prompting her to yank bill A-3942 less than a month after its introduction. As of Wednesday, the state Legislature Web site listed the bill as remaining active, but Weinberg said she "pulled the bill off the agenda."

[neverdem]

Happy New Year!!!

[AdamSelene235]

She said she was asked -- by some of her staffers -- to sponsor the bill as an anti-terrorism measure.

Working hard to keep muzzleloaders out of Al Queda's hands. How I despise that state.

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[Wonder Warthog]

""The way I understand it, there were certain kinds of large-caliber guns that are not used for hunting, and one bullet from them can blast a lot of people or a lot of things," the legislator said."

In other words, she is a dumbass legislating about a topic on which she is completely ignorant---must be a liberal Democrat.

[Texican72]

In other words, she is a dumbass

She still has to work her way up to dumbass.

[XRdsRev]

New Jersey is working on developing Revolutionary War themed heritage tourism. The state just helped organize and conduct the 225th Anniversary re-enactment of the Battle of Monmouth, which brought over 3000 reenactors and 20,000+ visitors to the Freehold area last June. This bill is very foolish and would eliminate much of the very popular "living history" component from programs in the Revolutionary War Heritage area and would certainly put a big dent in the whole concept.

I would hope Ms. Weinberg realizes that her ill concieved bill threatens to cut the throat of her own county, since parts of Bergen are in the Revolutionary War Heritage Area and reenactments are held at New Bridge Landing and Fort Lee. Her bill would kill all of that. I wouldn't want to be her, running for re-election as the person who singlehandedly destroyed events that thousands of her own constituents enjoyed and benefitted from.

If the assembly really considers the ramifications of this bill and it's effect on New Jersey tourism (the state's 2nd or 3rd largest industry), I don't think it will get very far.

Not to mention, I think the last terrorist attack using a flintlock musket took place about 150 years ago.

I love New Jersey. It's a great, beautiful, incredibly wealthy and diverse state but it certainly has more than it's fair share of people with incredibly bad ideas.

[Neil E. Wright]

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms

REPORT
of the
SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
of the
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS
Second Session
February 1982

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

Click here to read the report BY THE SENATE that finds an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to keep and bear arms

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."

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[AdamSelene235]

New Jersey is working on developing Revolutionary War themed heritage tourism.

Why bother? NJ has turned its back everything the Revolutionary generation believed in.

[XRdsRev]

That may be true of certain elements of the government but despite misconceptions otherwise, New Jersey is a proud state with a rich historic heritage and a very diverse population (liberal and conservative).

More battles and skirmishes were fought in New Jersey than in any other state during the American Revolution, including the important Battles of Trenton and Monmouth. The Battle of Monmouth Court House was the longest sustained battle of the Revolution and the largest land artillery battle.

The Heritage Area has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with history. I understand your point though and I don't totally disagree with you.

[neverdem]

In other words, she is a dumbass legislating about a topic on which she is completely ignorant---must be a liberal Democrat.

Other than routine activities of daily living, spinning, pandering, engaging in treachery, slander and power politics, what fields of human endeavor do rats have practical knowledge?

[TC Rider]

"The way I understand it, there were certain kinds of large-caliber guns that are not used for hunting, and one bullet from them can blast a lot of people or a lot of things," the legislator said.

That's what I like, legislators with clear, concise understanding of the laws they're passing.

[TC Rider]

Ahem, you owe dumbasses an apology.

[RonF]

I am a Scoutmaster in Illinois. One of the requirements for First Class is that a Scout discuss with someone their rights and duties as a citizen under the U.S. Constitution. Pursuant to that, I lined up a member of the Illinois General Assembly (our State legislature) to participate in such a discussion.

I had made the arrangements with the legislator's staff, and had not spoken to them directly. When they arrived for the talk, the legislator asked me specifically what was expected. When I reviewed the above, they said, "Well, I'm a State legislator and so I'm not all that familiar with the U.S. Constitution."

I was floored.

[Puppage]

to sponsor the bill as an anti-terrorism measure

Oh, my stomach is kill'n me. LOL!!!

Yes, an anti-terrorism bill, because we all know the terrorists are procuring Hawkin flintlock rifles from Cabela's catalog.

These people sound like 9 year olds.

[Condor51]

Whata maroon. Bugs Bunny™

So Loretta, do I understand that some low-level knuckle-head staffer (naturally with No agenda to push) suggests you intoduce a bill - which you admit you know nothing about the subject, and you say, "Duh, ok". Is that what I read here?!?

BTW, I'm sure that this bill was aimed at the Barrett .50cal BMG. DemoncRATS in every state are trying to get this rifle outlawed (they've tried it in IL, thus far it's failed). Their logic in banning the Barrett is that your neighborhood 'Akbar the terrorist' will walk into his local gun shop and walk out with a few dozen.

In truth it's just their 1st step in banning all long rifles. After all, put a scope on a Remington 700® and all of a sudden it's sniper rifle.

[neverdem]

LOL

[neverdem]

Happy New Year BANG

[Jokelahoma]

So, like, there's this thing, you know, and it does another thing, which is bad, I believe, and it is my, like, understanding that, you know, the things this thing does shouldn't be a legal thing, so I am, you know, like, putting forth some, like, legislation and stuff called House Bill 3, uh, 4, um, some other numbers are in there I know... anyway, whatever, it's a bill which will, I think, make things illegal. Without things, people will, like, be much safer to do other things, which aren't the things, like, I want to, you know, make illegal and stuff. I have, like, spent countless nanoseconds thinking about possibly researching, like, this topic and stuff, and came to this, you now, conclusion that I don't like things and so we, like, need to ban things.

People vote for this sort of "leadership"?

[neverdem]

People vote for this sort of "leadership"?

I have a real dilemma regarding which state is worse, New York or New Jersey, and that includes driving among other things, like, you know.

[Travis McGee]

Well, as long as it's to prevent terrorism, it must be a good idea.

[taxcontrol]

"She said she was asked -- by some of her staffers -- to sponsor the bill as an anti-terrorism measure"


Ok, show me ONE, even ONE SINGLE TIME that a .50 cal or larger was EVER used by a terrorist or involved in a terrorists event.

[epow]

Ok, show me ONE, even ONE SINGLE TIME that a .50 cal or larger was EVER used by a terrorist or involved in a terrorists event.

Now that's not fair. You're asking for a logical answer from people who are driven solely by emotion and hysteria. Muzzle loaders are guns after all, so they must be evil and dangerous. You could put your eye out with one of those things.

[taxcontrol]

"After all, put a scope on a Remington 700® and all of a sudden it's sniper rifle"

Gee, I have Remington 700 VS in .308 with 28" barrel, muzzel brake, mil-dot scope with ballistic drop compensation and a forestock adjustable barrel vibration block.

It is currently tuned to sub .2 MOA fired from bench rest - holes overlapped (.63" width at widest) on 3 shots at 200 yards measured with calipers). Which means my rifle can shoot better than I can hold it.

I wonder what they would call my rig?

[wjcsux]

Yes, an anti-terrorism bill, because we all know the terrorists are procuring Hawkin flintlock rifles from Cabela's catalog.
Does an assault flintlock have a flash supressor and bayonet lug?

[Ancesthntr]

I want to know more about your rifle and exactly how you tuned it and what load you use to get that kind of accuracy.

[Ancesthntr]

New Jersey is working on developing Revolutionary War themed heritage tourism.

Why bother? NJ has turned its back everything the Revolutionary generation believed in.

Well, that depends on exactly which Revolutionary generation you are talking about. If it is the American version, I agree with you. However, NJ had a very large contingent of Loyalists (including Ben Franklin's son, who was once the Governor). As a (thankfully) former resident of NJ, I can tell you that many in that state faithfully believe in and practice exactly that which the British generation of that era did - which is to say, no independence for those unwashed colonists, and certainly no guns for them.

[taxcontrol]

The 700VS came out of the box at about 1 MOA. I tried various over the counter loads with only slight improvement. Then a gunsmith friend of mine told be about a product called "Accurizer" (http://rifle-accuracy.com/).

Best thing I ever did for my rifle.

It is basically a block that has a screw running through it. It is mounted in the fore-stock and a small hole is drilled into the fore-stock at the very front. I had the work done by a gunsmith as I don't have the tools required. Cost me $120 to have that done and the scope mounted.

The block acts as a vibration dampener and if you turn the adjustment screw and fire many shot groups, you can minimize the barrel vibration by finding the "sweet spot".

The web site shows MOA of .082 - yes that is less than .1 MOA. I was not able to achieve such accuracy but then I do not have the best bench rest.

I currently use Federal Gold Medal .308 Win 175 grain Sierra Matchking BTHP for hunting. I have also used 165 / 168 grain Federal and Remington as well. The 28" barrel give me the extra 200 fps required to offset the heavy bullet.

[Condor51]

Sounds like you have a GREAT set-up to me. And I admire your choice of caliber, I love the .308

However, your type of rig is exactly what drives the lefties even goofier ''ewww, it's got a scope and it LOOKS sooooo dangerous, We must ban it.''.

Keep up the good work

[Travis McGee]

SWEET!!!! (Is what I would call your rig!)

[Ancesthntr]

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