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Return of the Great Social Security Giveaway
Ron Paul's Texas Straight Talk ^ | January 5, 2004 | Congressman Ron Paul

Posted on 01/05/2004 10:17:31 PM PST by Roberts

Last year around this time I wrote about a serious threat to Social Security that was moving ever-closer--a threat so great that it could truly break the bank of our already dangerously fragile Social Security system. The threat is the ongoing "totalization" negotiations between the US and Mexican governments. An agreement on "totalization" would make hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens eligible for American Social Security. Press reports just last month reminded us that these talks are continuing and will likely be completed this year.

As I wrote last year, under such a "totalization" agreement, even if a Mexican citizen did not work in the United States long enough to qualify for Social Security, the number of years worked in Mexico would be added to bring up the total and thus make the Mexican worker eligible for cash transfers from the United States. To qualify for American Social Security, a Mexican citizen would need to work in the US as short as just 18 months!

Totalization is nothing new. The first such agreements were made in the late 1970s between the United States and several foreign governments to help American citizens who were sent abroad by their companies. From there we have come, nearly 30 years later, to the point where an estimated 160,000 Mexican citizens would be eligible for US Social Security in the next five years.

Ultimately, the bill for Mexicans working legally in the US could reach one billion dollars by 2050, when the estimated Mexican beneficiaries could reach 300,000. Worse still, an estimated five million Mexicans working illegally in the United States could be eligible for the program. According to press reports, a provision in the Social Security Act allows illegal immigrants to receive Social Security benefits if the United States and another country have a totalization agreement.

Those in favor of sending US Social Security benefits to Mexican citizens argue that the crushing poverty in Mexico demands some form of US assistance to that country's aged. While the poverty in Mexico is truly deplorable and saddening, the fact remains that the US Congress has no Constitutional authority to enact what is essentially another foreign aid program. I would applaud any private citizen who wishes to help his fellow man living in poverty, whether in the US or Mexico or wherever he wishes. But for the US government to force this kind of "charity" is both immoral and illegal.

When Congress returns late this month, it should take the opportunity to re-affirm that Social Security is an American program designed to benefit American retired workers. That is why I introduced HR 489, the Social Security for American Citizens Only Act, in the current Congress. This act forbids the federal government from providing Social Security benefits to non-citizens. It also ends the practice of totalization.

Bringing in hundreds of thousands of impoverished foreign workers into the Social Security system will surely break the bank, depriving millions of our seniors who contributed to the system all their working lives of that which is rightly theirs. That is no way to treat our seniors, be they from this generation or coming generations. As I said last year, we should be shoring up the system for those Americans who have paid in for decades, not expanding it to cover foreigners who have not.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; ronpaul; socialsecurity
This concept is absolutely nuts.
1 posted on 01/05/2004 10:17:32 PM PST by Roberts
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2 posted on 01/05/2004 10:18:05 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Roberts
YUP. I once said that if we're going to put all Mexicans on Social Security, we might as well annex Mexico.
3 posted on 01/05/2004 10:27:18 PM PST by GeronL (Ah daunt yous spiel cheekier ether)
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To: Roberts
Current status of HR 489:

H.R.489
Title: To amend title II of the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide prospectively that wages earned, and self-employment income derived, by individuals who are not citizens or nationals of the United States shall not be credited for coverage under the old-age, survivors, and disability insurance program under such title, and to provide the President with authority to enter into agreements with other nations taking into account such limitation on crediting of wages and self-employment income.
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 1/29/2003)
Cosponsors: 17
Latest Major Action: 2/4/2003 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Social Security.

4 posted on 01/05/2004 11:05:51 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NonValueAdded; JustPiper; TheRightGuy; unspun; BillyBoy; prairiebreeze; Rollee; Chi-townChief
Kiss your Social Security Goodbye!!
5 posted on 01/05/2004 11:08:31 PM PST by chicagolady (Jesus, Be my Magnificent Obsession)
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To: chicagolady
YUP! I agree. Last year the gov took 8,000 in taxes, this year will be about 5,000. I guess it won't hurt THEM if they take one more thing away from me, I just hope they don't take away my guns.
6 posted on 01/05/2004 11:15:46 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
They can have my guns.....Bullets First!
7 posted on 01/05/2004 11:18:03 PM PST by chicagolady (Jesus, Be my Magnificent Obsession)
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The threat is the ongoing "totalization" negotiations between the US and Mexican governments. An agreement on "totalization" would make hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens eligible for American Social Security. Press reports just last month reminded us that these talks are continuing and will likely be completed this year.
8 posted on 01/06/2004 5:54:51 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

I do believe this deserves a ping from the master list...
Let your Representative know that you resent this slap in the face.

9 posted on 01/06/2004 6:43:42 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: chicagolady
What Social Security?

It goes bye-bye every year.

Kiss it goodbye when you see your FICA tax.
10 posted on 01/06/2004 6:47:41 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Roberts
D.C. stopped listening to the people a long time ago. They only listen to those with power, and they figgure we don't have any. So far they are right about that.

Don't forget not to buy a thing on Jan 12th.
11 posted on 01/06/2004 7:16:54 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: JustPiper
If we cannot raise enough of an outcry to stop this outrageous, treasonous attack on our Social Security system then we deserve every bit of the wrath we'll someday face from our children and grandchildren.
12 posted on 01/06/2004 7:24:23 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: Roberts
If this goes thru the ensuing chaos will make the Mariel Boat Lift look like the Marine Corps drill team. Millions of Mexicans lining up with fraudulent documents millions of non Mexicans beating on the door to get their slice of the permenant welfare for nothing. This will destroy our country.
13 posted on 01/06/2004 7:37:09 AM PST by junta
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To: chicagolady
They can have my guns.....[violence deleted]

Tsk Tsk!

By the power invested in me by the Hall Monitors of America, I pronounce your post as too violent!

Don't force me to break your trigger finger, young lady.

/sarcasm

14 posted on 01/06/2004 7:46:17 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Roberts
I assume that mis-representing yourself to your employer on your W-4 Form is no longer a crime.
15 posted on 01/06/2004 8:49:49 AM PST by wjcsux (DemocRATS, out of touch with America, out of touch with reality.)
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To: Roberts
Ron Paul will get my vote for President in 2004.
16 posted on 01/06/2004 8:52:48 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Roberts
BUMP for later reading.
18 posted on 01/06/2004 11:32:05 PM PST by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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